[It's Anarchy]

I had a oil cooler line burst on my bike and had the dealer replace it now they call me and tell me the new line is on but I have 5 pounds oil pressure. I guess I'm looking to see if the pump could be bad or if the system is air bound or if it needs to be primed? Were is the oil pump on the motor and how involved is it to replace? They have my stomach in a knot waiting for answers...


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[matt2007]

It's on the right side of the bike,the exhaust has to come off.I think it's 1.5hrs of labor to check and don't know if that includes reinstalling.Sorry to say the dealers scare me as I have yet to find one that knows our bike.Is the 5 psi at 3000rpm?Something doesn't sound right.I doubt it's cavitating.Stuck by pass valve but would it drop that low?Someone here will know.I had 35psi at 3000rpm and 5 at idle when the triple sprocket bolt backed out.Probably no engine damage as Im sure you shut down right quick and as long as there was no restriction

 

[It's Anarchy]

I shut the bike down as soon as I saw smoke bellowing off the bike...I trace my route home the next night and 2 miles of oil on the ground. The oil light never came on. I got it home and then washed oil off then started quick and the light came on. No knocking or anything I was very sure of that. All they told me is there no oil pressure only 5 lbs when there should be 30 or so....is it possible that it's air bound?i am waiting for them to call me back I called to try and get more info.


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[Demthios]

Sadly the oil light is set super low on these bikes I wanna say like 5psi. Sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I've got a pressure gauge on mine I can see it dip down to low 20's at idle. And around high 50's when I'm cruising around town.

 

[matt2007]

No expert here but i did a massive search when my sprocket bolt backed out and at hot idle it should be 30psi minimum at 158 degrees and at 3000rpm it should be between 43 and 90psi at 158 degrees.I would check the triple sprocket bolt while at it,takes 15 minutes just to be safe and it needs to be done regardless.I had 6psi at idle and 35 at 3000 rpm.After the new bolt went in I had 60 at hot idle and 75 at 3000rpm.There were also brass case bushing shavings in the oil but very small and hard to see.If you both do a search on oil pressure enough members have posted theirs to see what i mean.If the dealership didn't check the pressure at the manual spec 3000rpm i would be very leery of them and ask why?My dealership knew the spec but i had to demand they check the triple sprocket bolt as the wanted to pull the oil pump at $150 at a $89 rate so thats how i got to 1.5hrs.I didn't let them as they seemed more lost than i was and it was the bolt.Here check it out.
http://www.1130cc.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-130889.html

http://www.1130cc.com/forums/gtsear...=oil+pressure+at+idle&sa=Search&siteurl=www.1130cc.com/&ref=&ss=6367j5749217j21

http://www.1130cc.com/forums/gtsear...+is+your+oil+pressure&sa=Search&siteurl=www.1130cc.com/&ref=&ss=7246j2891922j25

 

[RustyG]

No expert here but i did a massive search when my sprocket bolt backed out and at hot idle it should be 30psi minimum and at 3000rpm it should be between 43 and 90psi.I would check the triple sprocket bolt while at it,takes 15 minutes just to be safe and it needs to be done regardless.I had 6psi at idle and 35 at 3000 rpm.After the new bolt went in I had 60 at hot idle and 75 at 3000rpm.There were also brass case bushing shavings in the oil but very small and hard to see.If you both do a search on oil pressure enough members have posted theirs to see what i mean.If the dealership didn't check the pressure at the manual spec 3000rpm i would be very leery of them and ask why?My dealership knew the spec but i had to demand they check the triple sprocket bolt as the wanted to pull the oil pump at $150 at a $89 rate so thats how i got to 1.5hrs.I didn't let them as they seemed more lost than i was and it was the bolt.

:them: a loose Triple sprocket bolt will cause this type of symptom.

 

[It's Anarchy]

What is the triple sprocket? I should know this...also I don't think that's my problem...just spoke with the service manager and he said that they fired the bike up and it only had 5 lbs and the tech shut it right down cause the motor sounded like it had a tick...I told him that since they put the stage 2 cams in the engine has ticked from the cams and that the idle was low and I would get a flicker of the oil pressure light at idle. I don't think they ran it long enough to build good oil pressure...or that's what I hope. My bike is just over a year old with 2100 miles on it so this kinda sucks


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[Demthios]

The triple sprocket runs both cam chains. Its called that due to the three sprockets that are mounted to it, one from the crank and two for the cams. Sits in the top middle part of the case.

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[RustyG]

The triple sprocket bolt is behind the left large side cover. It runs among other things your coolant and OIL pump. Don't dismiss is out of ignorance. It takes ten minutes to inspect it and torque it if necessary. There is a "How to" video on this forum created by user MAX that shows what must be done to correct the problem with it.

 

[It's Anarchy]

Ok thanks...that's good to know. Hopefully the dealer will pick up on this if it is the problem.i am now more concerned about the light flickering since the stage 2 install with SE throttle body.the bike idles at 800 roughly but it's done that since the upgrade I just thought the light flicker was due to low idle...maybe they screwed up putting the cams in? There's a thought...


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[Demthios]

It idles at 800? Stock should be around 1200.

 

[matt2007]

It idles at 800? Stock should be around 1200.

Yes 1100to1200 800is way too low

 

[matt2007]

Ok thanks...that's good to know. Hopefully the dealer will pick up on this if it is the problem.i am now more concerned about the light flickering since the stage 2 install with SE throttle body.the bike idles at 800 roughly but it's done that since the upgrade I just thought the light flicker was due to low idle...maybe they screwed up putting the cams in? There's a thought...


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Like i was saying you will probably have to push the issue as the dealers dont seem to know about it.i had to demand they check the bolt as they wanted to pull the oil pump for another $150 for no reason.im not saying its not your oil pump but it is common knowledge to check the triple sproket bolt first when there is a low oil pressure or water pump problem as it is the least invasive.

 

[It's Anarchy]

Yes they where able to get the idle down to around 800-900 with the SE Throttle body.


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[It's Anarchy]

Like i was saying you will probably have to push the issue as the dealers dont seem to know about it.i had to demand they check the bolt as they wanted to pull the oil pump for another $150 for no reason.im not saying its not your oil pump but it is common knowledge to check the triple sproket bolt first when there is a low oil pressure or water pump problem as it is the least invasive.

Thanks I will be sure to mention that to them in the morning when they call me with an update!


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[stever975]

Yes they where able to get the idle down to around 800-900 with the SE Throttle body. ....

Any shop that would do this shouldn't be working on customer vehicles.

The VRSC engine requires an idle RPM ≥ 1200 in order to provide adequate oil pressure for bearing lubrication. If the shop had read the engine specifications it would have known this.

If a customer asks to have the idle set too low, a reputable shop would refuse to do it.

 

[It's Anarchy]

I asked then to get the Rpms close to stock,that 2000 was to high for street use...this must have been there idea of close to stock....


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[stever975]

I asked then to get the Rpms close to stock,that 2000 was to high for street use...this must have been there idea of close to stock....

You need to find a better shop and mention to this shop's service manager that what they did could have damaged your bearings.

 

[It's Anarchy]

After this I am going to a different shop. The only reason I have been bringing to them is that is where I bought it and had all the work done.


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[VrodPete]

Sounds like you had the destroyer TB put on and then had them reset the idle. Everyone here is telling you good sound advice - first off, get that triple sprocket bolt checked. Once you have found the cause of the oil pressure problem (very likely the sprocket bolt, but could be pump or a blockage), make sure the idle gets reset to specification before it leaves the shop. As was stated above, the oil pressure light comes on just in time to tell you your engine has been trashed. The pressure setting is way too low.