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Cruising the R yesterday on hwy 94 near Tecate I spied a couple Ducs up ahead running about 75-80. No traffic and as we entered a huge RH downhill sweeper I closed in and sized things up. You can tell a great deal about a rider by observing him a bit. The leader was very smooth and the second guy was a bit tenuous. Dropped into 3rd and railed around the outside in very clean pass and then into some tight,banked esses. I kept putting distance on the Duc pilot all the way but he had pulled far ahead of his friend. My adrenaline was up and the peg feelers just kissed down a couple times. I know this stretch of road WELL.

The turns open to a straight section which was just long enough to pass a couple slow moving cages, then a big diving, banked right and another straight. The Duc man was too far behind to get around the cars and must have had to shut it down pretty hard. From there is a long downhill straight where the cops have a speed trap plus there was a big parade of cagers so I just chilled back to about 60.

Afterwhile the Duc is coming up so I wave him by. He slowly overtakes me and we look at eachother as he goes by. No gestures or anything. His bike is a red 1198 and he's in full racer apparel. Wonder what he thought of my big Harley? Yes, heads up with a half skilled hand that bike would dispense with me pronto. I pulled off at Barret Junction for a break about 5 minutes later and just had the stand down when Duc2 comes by at warp velocity. I could hear them both running hard up the other side of the valley for a long time. Sometimes it's fun to be a bit of a hooligan.
 

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Way to go on the surprise attack and take over !

I will shoot by airhead harleys in traffic every now and then and some will catch up to me at the next light or two and will give me a big thumbs up or a nod of appreciation. I dont think they know really what our red headed stepchild of a bike will do on the road until they see it for themselves and then they come away with a better attitude about us (our bikes rather).
 

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It's been a looooong time since I'v played on those roads. Good job keeping the Italians humble. You ought to take a ride over to GP Cycles on the R and let them scratch their heads a while.

That stretch of 94 has always been a bit of a ticket trap. I like 94 road east of Campo, out past Cameron Corners and on to the end where it merges with I-8.
At least it isn't (yet) ruined by indian casino traffic like some other formerly favorite roads in that county.
 

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Cruising the R yesterday on hwy 94 near Tecate I spied a couple Ducs up ahead running about 75-80. No traffic and as we entered a huge RH downhill sweeper I closed in and sized things up. You can tell a great deal about a rider by observing him a bit. The leader was very smooth and the second guy was a bit tenuous. Dropped into 3rd and railed around the outside in very clean pass and then into some tight,banked esses. I kept putting distance on the Duc pilot all the way but he had pulled far ahead of his friend. My adrenaline was up and the peg feelers just kissed down a couple times. I know this stretch of road WELL.

The turns open to a straight section which was just long enough to pass a couple slow moving cages, then a big diving, banked right and another straight. The Duc man was too far behind to get around the cars and must have had to shut it down pretty hard. From there is a long downhill straight where the cops have a speed trap plus there was a big parade of cagers so I just chilled back to about 60.

Afterwhile the Duc is coming up so I wave him by. He slowly overtakes me and we look at eachother as he goes by. No gestures or anything. His bike is a red 1198 and he's in full racer apparel. Wonder what he thought of my big Harley? Yes, heads up with a half skilled hand that bike would dispense with me pronto. I pulled off at Barret Junction for a break about 5 minutes later and just had the stand down when Duc2 comes by at warp velocity. I could hear them both running hard up the other side of the valley for a long time. Sometimes it's fun to be a bit of a hooligan.
The title of this post is SUPER misleading. I had a 2006 VRSCR and I have a 2010 Ducati Streetfigher S. There is no comparison between the bikes. The Ducati liter bikes are killer and will crush the R hands down. Unless you had a big bore with a turbo on it and a bottle......lol

It's been a looooong time since I'v played on those roads. Good job keeping the Italians humble. You ought to take a ride over to GP Cycles on the R and let them scratch their heads a while.

That stretch of 94 has always been a bit of a ticket trap. I like 94 road east of Campo, out past Cameron Corners and on to the end where it merges with I-8.
At least it isn't (yet) ruined by indian casino traffic like some other formerly favorite roads in that county.
There's no way to use the R to keep the "Italians humbe" leaving a guy in traffic is not blowing the doors off of them, "straffed and 1198" or whatever he is trying to say here. So you ride by loud and fast in traffic. That does not mean you left them in the dust......... lets come back down to this planet folks.:blahblah:
 

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The title of this post is SUPER misleading. I had a 2006 VRSCR and I have a 2010 Ducati Streetfigher S. There is no comparison between the bikes. The Ducati liter bikes are killer and will crush the R hands down. Unless you had a big bore with a turbo on it and a bottle......lol



There's no way to use the R to keep the "Italians humbe" leaving a guy in traffic is not blowing the doors off of them, "straffed and 1198" or whatever he is trying to say here. So you ride by loud and fast in traffic. That does not mean you left them in the dust......... lets come back down to this planet folks.:blahblah:
You know, it all depends on the road. Ducs like that don't begin to work well until you are using them at 150 mph plus at maximum lean angle. In that environment they reign supreme. On something much tighter, they can be miserable. They really don't transition quickly, requiring a lot of upper body strength to turn them and many of them won't remain leaned over unless you lean on the bars heavily, and at less than maximum lean angles or on bumpy corners, they can be darn difficult to ride.
There are paved roads in San Diego County where a big dual sport will absolutely humiliate an 1198. Ask Old FXR about Mesa Grande Road, Japatul Road (Japatul pronounced like "hop a tool"), Lyons Valley Road or Lilac Road. These are second gear squiggles that work against a big Duc in every possible way.
There are intermediate speed roads where a well ridden and well sorted R will run with a Duc, maybe even run away from one. On the street, it is more rider than bike anyway, and a smart R rider who knows his tool can do some damage to big Italian bike ower egos. That section of 94 doesn't necessarily favor what an 1198 can do. Now Sunrise Highway, that would be a different story, some of the corners allow BIG SPEED and a Duc with a rider not intimidated by BIG SPEED would have the clear advantage.
 

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I'm going to agree with Brian on this . Like Brian I have a R and a 02 998 Ducati. The bikes are both very capable but tight and twisty or open sweepers the Duc will just out run the R. Sheer physics will not let the R run with the Duc.

You know, it all depends on the road. Ducs like that don't begin to work well until you are using them at 150 mph plus at maximum lean angle. In that environment they reign supreme. On something much tighter, they can be miserable. They really don't transition quickly, requiring a lot of upper body strength to turn them and many of them won't remain leaned over unless you lean on the bars heavily, and at less than maximum lean angles or on bumpy corners, they can be darn difficult to ride.
There are paved roads in San Diego County where a big dual sport will absolutely humiliate an 1198. Ask Old FXR about Mesa Grande Road, Japatul Road (Japatul pronounced like "hop a tool"), Lyons Valley Road or Lilac Road. These are second gear squiggles that work against a big Duc in every possible way.
There are intermediate speed roads where a well ridden and well sorted R will run with a Duc, maybe even run away from one. On the street, it is more rider than bike anyway, and a smart R rider who knows his tool can do some damage to big Italian bike ower egos. That section of 94 doesn't necessarily favor what an 1198 can do. Now Sunrise Highway, that would be a different story, some of the corners allow BIG SPEED and a Duc with a rider not intimidated by BIG SPEED would have the clear advantage.
 

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The title of this post is SUPER misleading. I had a 2006 VRSCR and I have a 2010 Ducati Streetfigher S. There is no comparison between the bikes. The Ducati liter bikes are killer and will crush the R hands down. Unless you had a big bore with a turbo on it and a bottle......lolQUOTE]

Did you miss where he said, "heads up with a half skilled hand that bike would dispense with me pronto."? Don't need a big bore, turbo'd, NOS vrod to blow away a Duc in a straight line 1/4 mile... A stock 1130 cc with a turbo running 10 lbs of boost will blow the Duc away... The biggest factor there is the gearing... But that's not what the Duc is designed to do... It is a pure sport bike, no question with an expert rider would blow away the rod even with a turbo, it's simple physics, the rod cannot get the same lean angle as the DUC can... In this particular instance, he got the hole shot and sometimes that's the difference :)... So, using the word "strafed" is not misleading, it is actually accurate :)... If the positions were reversed, the DUC would have "strafed" him...

What I found more interesting is the reaction of the rider... That to me said more about his "attitude" versus whether or not the R could blow the Duc away... I've spanked quite a few young turks round here including a couple local Busa's in a staight line 1/4 mile shot and in every case, they would nod or give me a thumbs up... To me, that's the right attitude... On any given day, someone, somewhere is going to spank you and it's how you handle that spanking that makes all the difference...
 

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Yup,strafed. Not loud (stock pipes) No traffic. (then) And I do know my tool. I used to do this to sportbike riders on my Honda XL600 with knobbies back in the 1980's. Only I usually went inside....

I dick with sportbikes all the time on my '96 XL1200S in the twisties. Palomar is custom designed for such antics. That stupid bike is just SO EASY to ride. Two gears at most and just sit there and steer. I sit up straight and lean the bike down. All wrong but it's how I grew up in the dirt. These young dudes with the super exagerated hanging off is just goofy. I laugh in my helmet! Most of those guys with all the flashy gear are far behind their bikes' capabilities. Not all. If someone is faster I let them go so my ego doesn't put me in a ditch. I never assume anything based on what bike someone is on.

The upper powerband speed of the R still kinda wows me if that's a clue. I wouldn't have any idea how to ride a modern sportbike HARD. I don't want to go 150MPH on the roads. WTF-you gotta be insane to do that shit. The FUN is outriding guys on "superior" machines at subsonic speeds.

The ride report was not embelished in any way. It was factual.
 

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Ah the old days

I've owned 7 Ducs in my day until I low sided a 998 in France and it spit me down a cliff and broke my back and paralyzed my arm for a year from nerve damage. It was a low side that I've done more then once on a track day with little consequence. That was 7 years ago. I have also lost a couple of friends on the Angeles Crest when I lived in California. They were good riders too.
I futz around on my R these days as I am on my 75th trip around the sun and find it scary fast. Now when I haul ass it takes several loads My knee dragging days are over but I still love to ride. I have learned that roads aren't tracks and tracks aren't roads. The bottom line is don't let your riding get mixed up with too much adrenaline and testosterone. All it takes is a second of inattention, a little sand or a slight miscalculation to bring on a catastrophic end to your riding days.
Be careful out there on the road and ride your ass off on the track. God I miss the old Ducs, but they are a track tool and the Street rod is not. Keep it real
Ride on.
 

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I've owned 7 Ducs in my day until I low sided a 998 in France and it spit me down a cliff and broke my back and paralyzed my arm for a year from nerve damage. It was a low side that I've done more then once on a track day with little consequence. That was 7 years ago. I have also lost a couple of friends on the Angeles Crest when I lived in California. They were good riders too.
I futz around on my R these days as I am on my 75th trip around the sun and find it scary fast. Now when I haul ass it takes several loads My knee dragging days are over but I still love to ride. I have learned that roads aren't tracks and tracks aren't roads. The bottom line is don't let your riding get mixed up with too much adrenaline and testosterone. All it takes is a second of inattention, a little sand or a slight miscalculation to bring on a catastrophic end to your riding days.
Be careful out there on the road and ride your ass off on the track. God I miss the old Ducs, but they are a track tool and the Street rod is not. Keep it real
Ride on.
Straight line 1/4 miles for this ol man :)... I like corners, love them but I know my limitations and the bike I'm riding... What you've said is sound advice spoken from a man with experience :)... Thanks...
 

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Yup,strafed. Not loud (stock pipes) No traffic. (then) And I do know my tool. I used to do this to sportbike riders on my Honda XL600 with knobbies back in the 1980's. Only I usually went inside....

I dick with sportbikes all the time on my '96 XL1200S in the twisties. Palomar is custom designed for such antics. That stupid bike is just SO EASY to ride. Two gears at most and just sit there and steer. I sit up straight and lean the bike down. All wrong but it's how I grew up in the dirt. These young dudes with the super exagerated hanging off is just goofy. I laugh in my helmet! Most of those guys with all the flashy gear are far behind their bikes' capabilities. Not all. If someone is faster I let them go so my ego doesn't put me in a ditch. I never assume anything based on what bike someone is on.

The upper powerband speed of the R still kinda wows me if that's a clue. I wouldn't have any idea how to ride a modern sportbike HARD. I don't want to go 150MPH on the roads. WTF-you gotta be insane to do that shit. The FUN is outriding guys on "superior" machines at subsonic speeds.

The ride report was not embelished in any way. It was factual.

:them: :plause:

My kind of rider! He knows and so do I, even if the rest of you don't belive it.
 
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