[MenMyVROD]

Hey! new here and i was hoping that somebody can help me with my issue. Red key on dash is on for a while and turns off. It turns on when i have turn signals on but i'm not sure if the red key alarm is triggered by turn signals being on. I installed an LED system w/c i got from Chicago Harley, OEM. Also, the bike wont start after about 30 miles of riding. At first it's trying to start but after 2nd and 3rd try starting it only makes a clicking sound. After charging the battery it starts very well. Not sure if that is battery issue . Check code and says Pn 68921-07. Checked it and described it as MODULE, TURN SIGNAL (TSM-Y) from harley website. Totally confused what the problem is. NEED HELP PLEASE. Riding season is here!

 

[hernan]

Hey! new here and i was hoping that somebody can help me with my issue. Red key on dash is on for a while and turns off. It turns on when i have turn signals on but i'm not sure if the red key alarm is triggered by turn signals being on. I installed an LED system w/c i got from Chicago Harley, OEM. Also, the bike wont start after about 30 miles of riding. At first it's trying to start but after 2nd and 3rd try starting it only makes a clicking sound. After charging the battery it starts very well. Not sure if that is battery issue . Check code and says Pn 68921-07. Checked it and described it as MODULE, TURN SIGNAL (TSM-Y) from harley website. Totally confused what the problem is. NEED HELP PLEASE. Riding season is here!

WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!!:wazzup::vrodforu::welcome:

the clicking is the battery I just went through that. Its prob old or died and doesn't hold a charge. If you can replace and keep it on a tender you should be good.

 

[MenMyVROD]

hernan, 1st off all I salute you for protecting our freedom and may the power of courage and good instinct guide you and your troops to safety and survival. Secondly, thanks for the input.
Does that explain the red key alarm and lighting up?

 

[hernan]

hernan, 1st off all I salute you for protecting our freedom and may the power of courage and good instinct guide you and your troops to safety and survival. Secondly, thanks for the input.
Does that explain the red key alarm and lighting up?

I honestly dont know about the key alarm. All I know is that I had the same problem with my battery not holding a charge. Im sure someone with knowledge will answer your other question. Im a new owner and am still learning. BTW do you know how to get to the battery?

 

[TaxmanHog]

Hey! new here and i was hoping that somebody can help me with my issue. Red key on dash is on for a while and turns off. It turns on when i have turn signals on but I'm not sure if the red key alarm is triggered by turn signals being on. I installed an LED system w/c i got from Chicago Harley, OEM. Also, the bike wont start after about 30 miles of riding. At first it's trying to start but after 2nd and 3rd try starting it only makes a clicking sound. After charging the battery it starts very well. Not sure if that is battery issue . Check code and says Pn 68921-07. Checked it and described it as MODULE, TURN SIGNAL (TSM-Y) from harley website. Totally confused what the problem is. NEED HELP PLEASE. Riding season is here!

The Battery should be up to the task of LED lighting and not failing prematurely, is the bike old, tire old battery might be acting up.

The LED lights, are they the turn/run signal lamps in place of the 1156 or 1157 original bulbs? If so you might be seeing a the red key signal because the TSM/TSSM is warning you of a potential BULB OUT condition. The LED signal lamps do not draw enough current to make the module ~think~ that the lamps are actually working. In some aftermarket lamps, load balancers are used to cause more current flow.

The Pn 68921-07 is what is shown at the end of each check sequence. If you have no stored or current codes your should also see ~none~, then you will see the Pn number. This number is the part numbers of the ECM, TSM, ICM on your bike.

You should also CLEAR the codes if there were any found.

You also want to check under each category ~P~, ~S~ and ~C~

If your using LED accent lighting, is it possible you have a wire grounding out?

 

[MenMyVROD]

hernan, the battery is behind the head light. Take your airbox off and you will see it laying flat.

TaxmanHog... thanks for the reply.
I got this bike used February last year. 08 model but i used moded this LED as sson as i got the bike. all is fine. This is OEM HD mini bullet LED light and it comes with a power module that interface with TSSM. I was wondering if the TSSM needs repalcement?

If it is warning me of a potential bulb out condition, then how come the bike won't start after about a 30 or so miles ride. Three things on my mind: TSSM, Battery or LED TS module that's giving me issues. Please advice.
Thanks.

 

[TaxmanHog]

hernan, the battery is behind the head light. Take your airbox off and you will see it laying flat.

TaxmanHog... thanks for the reply.
I got this bike used February last year. 08 model but i used moded this LED as sson as i got the bike. all is fine. This is OEM HD mini bullet LED light and it comes with a power module that interface with TSSM. I was wondering if the TSSM needs replacement?

If it is warning me of a potential bulb out condition, then how come the bike won't start after about a 30 or so miles ride. Three things on my mind: TSSM, Battery or LED TS module that's giving me issues. Please advice.
Thanks.

Interesting thanks for the clarifications, so the lighting has been OK up to now then , probably not the root issue here. I still think you may have stored fault codes, could you double check for them

Security Key lamp staying on several seconds after startup might be an indication of other issues or the TSSM it's self. Another item to check, the battery in your security FOB's they need to be changed every couple of years too.

There are a few other threads discussing the flakiness of the System & Starter relays, wonder if your Start relay might be the issue when it comes to a Won't Start situation.

http://www.1130cc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150241

http://www.1130cc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117962

 

[hernan]

hernan, the battery is behind the head light. Take your airbox off and you will see it laying flat.

TaxmanHog... thanks for the reply.
I got this bike used February last year. 08 model but i used moded this LED as sson as i got the bike. all is fine. This is OEM HD mini bullet LED light and it comes with a power module that interface with TSSM. I was wondering if the TSSM needs repalcement?

If it is warning me of a potential bulb out condition, then how come the bike won't start after about a 30 or so miles ride. Three things on my mind: TSSM, Battery or LED TS module that's giving me issues. Please advice.
Thanks.

LOL I know where it is, I had to find out for my self so if you need any help getting it out let me know.

 

[MenMyVROD]

hernan, I apologize. I thought you are asking.

 

[MenMyVROD]

after the battery is fully charged it starts with no hesitation. That will rule out the relay and starter. Is the alarm on or off if the ignition key is locked? What if it's just in the off position?
If my TSSM has malfunction, how would I know if it's the turn signal or the security feature is giving me problems? LED TS gets it's power from TSSM and LED TS also has it's own power pack and it's feeding from the TSSM. TS is working fine, L and R responds to proper input and turns off automatically. That leaves the TSSM in question. Advice please.
Thanks.

 

[vagger]

Excellent thread but I don't see a similar number to what I'm gettin.Red key light on(I don't have a security sys.) Read and cleared po 134.Now showing 61154 under S section. Any ideas?

 

[stever975]

Excellent thread but I don't see a similar number to what I'm gettin.Red key light on(I don't have a security sys.) Read and cleared po 134.Now showing 61154 under S section. Any ideas?

You’re miss-reading the display.

That DTC is B1154 = clutch switch short to ground. Be sure to clear the code after reading it. If the DTC resets, you have a "current" problem.

My guess is you did some work on the left hand controls and messed up the switch. This DTC can also be set if you hold the clutch in for more than 1 minute when moving faster than 10 MPH.

 

[vagger]

Allrighty then,went thru clearing process again and this time it took.No more key light.Still curious tho if anyone knows what those # mean.

 

[vagger]

Thanx Steve,didn't see yer post before I reposted.Code is currently gone so I can't verify but I wrote down what I saw and that was po134 under the p section.It's an 08 AW.

 

[stever975]

... Code is currently gone so I can't verify but I wrote down what I saw and that was po134 under the p section.It's an 08 AW.

You previously mentioned having DTC B1154. I explained that DTC in Post #112.

The DTC you mention here (P0134) is: front O2 sensor open/not responding.

If this DTC was set after you cleared the codes then my guess is that your front O2 sensor is unplugged. If the O2 sensor is plugged in and you have this code you'll need to look for a damaged signal wire (this wire is pink with an orange stripe).

 

[TaxmanHog]

after the battery is fully charged it starts with no hesitation.

Has your battery been discharging to a point that it will not turn the engine over, thereby requiring persistent recharging? If so I think were back to a weak battery situation. :banghead:

That will rule out the relay and starter.

Most likely.

Is the alarm on or off if the ignition key is locked?
What if it's just in the off position?

07 & later security systems are passive activation, if your ignition is off or locked the system will set after a few seconds, when the security FOB is more than 30 feet from the bike, the security system goes into FULL ARM condition, thinking the owner is no longer nearby.

If my TSSM has malfunction, how would I know if it's the turn signal or the security feature is giving me problems? LED TS gets it's power from TSSM and LED TS also has it's own power pack and it's feeding from the TSSM. TS is working fine, L and R responds to proper input and turns off automatically. That leaves the TSSM in question.

Agreed, or the LED components are still causing some type of issue, any way you can go back to complete stock lighting briefly to confirm the problem persists after removal of the suspect units?

 

[vagger]

Well,after 10min. riding the key light was back.There are no symptoms,everything works and runs fine.Still getting po134 and 61154 when checking S. So far as open sensor I run a pc3 so all that is bypassed but I will look for damaged/pinched wire. Here's what I did recently that may give a clue. New bars that required longer clutch&brake lines&throttle cables.Wiring was done internally.As I said,everything electrical works including hndlbr. radio controls. I hope this doesn't turn into sumthin like the **! evap code on my chevy.

 

[MenMyVROD]

Yes. It's to a point that it's not turning the engine. This is just recent. I charged the battery overnight Friday and did not ride. Started the bike Saturday with no problem. After a couple of hrs same day, i started the bike with no problem. Today , i started the bike with no issues. No turn signals was use just plain start ups. Noticed that the key is still red. Used to be yellow upon start up. Everything was OK till i took the battery out and charged it for winter storage. This all happened when i took the bike out off storage and installed the battery.

I don't have a key FOB.

OEM TS are gone. Sold it. Gosh Darn!

Thank you for taking time helping me with a solution.

 

[MenMyVROD]

This is just 2minutes ago. I checked DTC's PSC, negative. Although my PSC's have a bafter C. What's up with that?
So, it's PSCb instead of PSC. Also, I started the bike three consecutive times . I noticed that the more i start the bike the more hesitation it sounds. Clearly it's the battery. I hope.

 

[TaxmanHog]

If you have no security, then you have a TSM (Turn Signal Module) vs a TSSM (turn signal & security module. That simplifies some issues, but still concerned about the new LED lights causing your TSM to issue a false positive warning.

When you reinstalled the battery after winter layup, the cables should be good & tight at the battery, head bolt.

You might want to take the battery to the dealer for a load test, to confirm possible aging & inability to hold a long term charge, as well it's ability to perform multiple start cycles (one after another takes a toll on MC batteries, they do not have the same amount of reserve capacity as car batteries.

Not sure about the "b" your seeing during the code check, I do not have an 08 electrical Diagnostics manual