[TaxmanHog]

Hey! new here and i was hoping that somebody can help me with my issue. Red key on dash is on for a while and turns off. It turns on when i have turn signals on but I'm not sure if the red key alarm is triggered by turn signals being on. I installed an LED system w/c i got from Chicago Harley, OEM. Also, the bike wont start after about 30 miles of riding. At first it's trying to start but after 2nd and 3rd try starting it only makes a clicking sound. After charging the battery it starts very well. Not sure if that is battery issue . Check code and says Pn 68921-07. Checked it and described it as MODULE, TURN SIGNAL (TSM-Y) from harley website. Totally confused what the problem is. NEED HELP PLEASE. Riding season is here!

The Battery should be up to the task of LED lighting and not failing prematurely, is the bike old, tire old battery might be acting up.

The LED lights, are they the turn/run signal lamps in place of the 1156 or 1157 original bulbs? If so you might be seeing a the red key signal because the TSM/TSSM is warning you of a potential BULB OUT condition. The LED signal lamps do not draw enough current to make the module ~think~ that the lamps are actually working. In some aftermarket lamps, load balancers are used to cause more current flow.

The Pn 68921-07 is what is shown at the end of each check sequence. If you have no stored or current codes your should also see ~none~, then you will see the Pn number. This number is the part numbers of the ECM, TSM, ICM on your bike.

You should also CLEAR the codes if there were any found.

You also want to check under each category ~P~, ~S~ and ~C~

If your using LED accent lighting, is it possible you have a wire grounding out?

 

[TaxmanHog]

hernan, the battery is behind the head light. Take your airbox off and you will see it laying flat.

TaxmanHog... thanks for the reply.
I got this bike used February last year. 08 model but i used moded this LED as sson as i got the bike. all is fine. This is OEM HD mini bullet LED light and it comes with a power module that interface with TSSM. I was wondering if the TSSM needs replacement?

If it is warning me of a potential bulb out condition, then how come the bike won't start after about a 30 or so miles ride. Three things on my mind: TSSM, Battery or LED TS module that's giving me issues. Please advice.
Thanks.

Interesting thanks for the clarifications, so the lighting has been OK up to now then , probably not the root issue here. I still think you may have stored fault codes, could you double check for them

Security Key lamp staying on several seconds after startup might be an indication of other issues or the TSSM it's self. Another item to check, the battery in your security FOB's they need to be changed every couple of years too.

There are a few other threads discussing the flakiness of the System & Starter relays, wonder if your Start relay might be the issue when it comes to a Won't Start situation.

http://www.1130cc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150241

http://www.1130cc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117962

 

[TaxmanHog]

after the battery is fully charged it starts with no hesitation.

Has your battery been discharging to a point that it will not turn the engine over, thereby requiring persistent recharging? If so I think were back to a weak battery situation. :banghead:

That will rule out the relay and starter.

Most likely.

Is the alarm on or off if the ignition key is locked?
What if it's just in the off position?

07 & later security systems are passive activation, if your ignition is off or locked the system will set after a few seconds, when the security FOB is more than 30 feet from the bike, the security system goes into FULL ARM condition, thinking the owner is no longer nearby.

If my TSSM has malfunction, how would I know if it's the turn signal or the security feature is giving me problems? LED TS gets it's power from TSSM and LED TS also has it's own power pack and it's feeding from the TSSM. TS is working fine, L and R responds to proper input and turns off automatically. That leaves the TSSM in question.

Agreed, or the LED components are still causing some type of issue, any way you can go back to complete stock lighting briefly to confirm the problem persists after removal of the suspect units?

 

[TaxmanHog]

If you have no security, then you have a TSM (Turn Signal Module) vs a TSSM (turn signal & security module. That simplifies some issues, but still concerned about the new LED lights causing your TSM to issue a false positive warning.

When you reinstalled the battery after winter layup, the cables should be good & tight at the battery, head bolt.

You might want to take the battery to the dealer for a load test, to confirm possible aging & inability to hold a long term charge, as well it's ability to perform multiple start cycles (one after another takes a toll on MC batteries, they do not have the same amount of reserve capacity as car batteries.

Not sure about the "b" your seeing during the code check, I do not have an 08 electrical Diagnostics manual

 

[TaxmanHog]

Don't know what a key FOB is. I have a round key that came with bike. I'm pretty sure it's a TSSM coz the key flashes yellow before I screwed it up.
Would the battery light indicator lit up for battery issues? If I have battery issues why would the key turn red?

If you have a round plastic thingy (technical term) on a key ring with the locking Key, then you have a security device & a TSSM.

There are several lights on your Instrument Cluster, (as I see it on my 07 ultra) they are close together but are distinct indicators, if you want to see all the lamps illuminated place your key in the accessory position (if they still have that in 08's) this will force a test mode on the ICM and flash all ICM lamps.

You may also see the RED KEY, this is the security minder lamp, when the bike is parked, and the ignition is off, the system will passive arm then when you & the KEY/FOB are removed from the bike and +30 feet away the alarm system goes into full ARM. Every second or so the red lamp will flash to indicate the armed condition.

Check Engine Light is yellow lamp the illuminates when the key is on and the run switch is in the Run position, while the lamp is on, the ECM is synchronizing/calibrating the servos & sensors, do not twist the throttle while the lamp is yellow, a few seconds later the lamp goes off. You can now press the Starter Button, the lamp may re-illuminate after start to indicate stored/active ECM error codes. eventually it will go out.

The security lamp (RED KEY) might come on to indicate that the alarm system was disturbed while you were away, it also may come on to warn of bulb out conditions.

If there is voltage indicator (Battery Lamp), it's an idiot lamp that would only show only if your alternator was not putting out current/voltage. Chances are your alternator is (working hard to replenish a tired battery).

The other battery is a watch sized unit inside the plastic (Thingy) aka FOB, these go bad after a couple of years. once it craps out completely the chip in the FOB will not send out the signal code to the TSSM receiver on the bike and will not disable to the alarm system, if you tried to move the bike w/o a good FOB in hand or attached to the key ring in the ignition, the alarm will flash your hazard lamps & sound the alarm (if that option was included).

Maybe the sales dude could give you a walk through on the pre-ride checks, pulling your diagnostic codes, etc while testing the BIKE battery & FOB battery.

 

[TaxmanHog]

You checked every thing I would have.

It might be a bad sensor, can you plug the old one in (even though it's on a shorter lead, It might not throw the codes your getting now.

 

[TaxmanHog]

*sigh* In my usual incompetent fashion, I can't get past step 2. When I push the odo reset button (with ignition off and run switch on), the mileage comes up but nothing else happens - no blinking. What am I doing wrong, please?

Turn on the ignition

 

[TaxmanHog]

Moin,

habe die Meldung Error auf dem Display, hat das auch schon jemand gehabt?

Hello,

I got the error message on the display, has anyone else experienced this?

What code do you see?
What year and model Harley is the motorcycle?

Welchen Code sehen Sie?
Welches Baujahr und welches Harley-Modell ist das Motorrad?

 

[TaxmanHog]

I am new to the forum. Where are the trouble codes posted kind Sir?

Codes

List of all v-rod fault codes RANKING DTC STATUS FAULT CONDITION SOLUTION 1 P0605 Current ECM flash error 4.29 DTC P0603, P0605 2 P0605 Historic ECM flash error 4.29 DTC P0603, P0605 3 P0603 Current ECM EEPROM error 4.29 DTC P0603, P0605 4 P0603 Historic ECM EEPROM error 4.29 DTC P0603...

www.1130cc.com

 

[TaxmanHog]

I can post a clip of that unless it isn't allowed at this Site.

Not allowed, but with Google I'm sure others will find it anyway.