Got up at 4am, promptly crashed my 08 silverado into my girlfriends Durango got both doors and the left rear quarter-panel. Then flew to nashville, TN and bought the Vrod in my avatar, then rode it home 600 miles (3 hrs in pouring rain) on the stock oem seat. I think my but :spank:hurts much worse than my pride over hitting my truck but I have to give moco cudo's for making a seat that sits so bad that you have to buy another. My other vrod had a sundowner and I loved it so I guess i will have to spend, you guessed it, more money! Will the passenger pad in my avatar work with a sundowner seat versus the bigger sundowner pad? I like the looks of the tapered p-pad and of course I won't be sitting on it.