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Ummm...maybe this is a dumb question, but what does that new feature do?

One would think that if they are going to put that much effort into a feature of a product, they would at least tell us what it does.

There is no explanation of its benefits... So I made one for them.

"Introducing the new Accelerator Pump feature! We don't know what it does... but its free!"
 

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You can Tune Fuel and Ignition to each cyclinder."?Rear Runs a Little Hotter!";) You can setup what ever fuel curve you want on your map.:cool:
 

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I don't think that this has anything to do with the fuel or ignition curves. You can program your curves with any unit but the accelerator pump allows the injectors to dump more fuel in "at" the time you crack the throttle, for a little more umph.

Whether you are at 2500 or 7000 rpm if you crack it wide open you get your normal map amount PLUS the extra pump mount. If you are at these rpms and you slightly get on it, you only get your map amount.


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The ECM has the capability of detecting acceleration and enriching the mixture durring that period, exactly like an accelerator pump in a carb. This feature is based on an internal map that is not adjustable by the Race Tuner.

I wonder if, because the PCIII takes over the pulses to the injectors, it's defeating the factory accleration enrichment? If that's the case then there is yet another reason to not use the PCIII in place of the RT.

Here's a data log of the enrichment circuit in action.
 

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I wonder if, because the PCIII takes over the pulses to the injectors, it's defeating the factory accleration enrichment? If that's the case then there is yet another reason to not use the PCIII in place of the RT.
It doesn't defeat the factory accleration enrichment. If your computer goes, you don't need to repurchase. Of course unlike the RT, if you don't like it, you could just sell it.

I HATE the way the RT locks the license to a bike. They're worse than Microsoft. I just can't support a company that operates like that.

Also note that the PC3r is for the V-Rod not the PC3 USB.
 

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Mark is correct and Kaz is incorrect (sort of). You can't make the RT dump fuel at a certain time. But really, why the f#ck would you want too? As I stated when I started this thread, it's a GIMMICK! I have the PCIIIr and have achieved very good numbers (117.9 rwhp) but will be UPGRADING to the RT very soon.


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John,
Going to the dark side hugh?

At least you can recover most of the cost of your PC3r through EBay.

Don't get me wrong, I like the things that the RT can do, just hate that damn lock.

What kind of mods do you have to get those #'s?
 

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Not all that many, actually. V-Mods, SE air filter and a modified air box cover and lots of dyno time. Best 1/4 mile run of 11.29 @ 119. Oh, and a 28T pulley. And what are you referring to by lock? I read your post above, but I don't get it?!?



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John,
How come you keep forgetting about the NuTEC.How much is it a gallon?:eek: I'm still waitin to see you Wheelie!:rolleyes: ;)
 

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In defense of software locks... Its there to prevent people from pirating copies of it to friends. Although usually only found on low volume applications (like the RT), without locks, even fewer licenses would be sold (because of piracy), forcing developers to raise prices in order to pay for R&D and programmers, and still try to make a little money.

And where I come from if a product doesn't make any money it gets sh*t-canned... You wouldn't want that now would you?

My company loses a few MILLION $$$ a year to piracy... thats like someone helping themselves to my wallet when I'm not looking.

-Leon :whack:
 

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It doesn't defeat the factory acceleration enrichment. If your computer goes, you don't need to repurchase. Of course unlike the RT, if you don't like it, you could just sell it.

I HATE the way the RT locks the license to a bike. They're worse than Microsoft. I just can't support a company that operates like that.

Also note that the PC3r is for the V-Rod not the PC3 USB.
I have yet to receive a definitive answer to the way the PCIII modifies the injector pulse. If they simply add or subtract a few ms from the pulse width supplied by the computer then it probably doesn't defeat the accelerator enrichment. If they take over the signal all together then yes, they will defeat the acceleration enrichment. If they WERE NOT defeating the acceleration enrichment then why do they now advertise acceleration enrichment capabilities???????

As for locking the RT to one bike, I completely understand HD's need to protect their product. PC sells hardware, they give away the software. If you buy a PCIII and there's no way you can simultaneously use the product on different bikes. You buy 1 copy of the RT and without the lock you could load your program onto 100 bikes simultaneously. That's at least $150000 of lost revenue! I'm with Leon on this one.

Here's some real answers the most of the questions asked of HD regarding the license lock:

Q.) What if my ECM needs replacement, do I have to buy another RT?
A.) No, simply return the RT lock along with the original ECM and HD will replace the lock with a fresh one.

Q.) What if I sell the bike, can I keep the RT?
A.) Only if you buy a similar bike, at which point you can swap the ECMs (if the buy/seller agrees) however, since you have modified the ECM with the RT it's in the new owners best interest to also purchase the RT to maintain the maps. Work a deal with the new buyer to add a couple hundred to the deal and use that money to buy another RT for your new bike. Give the new owner the new RT but swap the hardware locks. Since the programs are interchangeable you don't lose you old work.

Q.) If my ECM "fries" will it be replaced under warranty and will I get a new RT with the new ECM?
A.) That depends on the circumstances surrounding the ECM failure. Your dealer is your single best resource for this question. If you have a good relationship and they support the RT than odds are you will get your ECM covered under warranty. As for replacement of the RT see above.

Q.) What if I don't like the RT and I want to sell it, how can I do that?
A.) Unless the buyer is willing to swap ECMs you can't.

Please don't take offense, I'm just voicing my opinion. I really like the RT as well as the concept of directly editing the ECM, I've tried numerous piggyback solutions on EFI systems in cars, boats and motorcycles and always come back to direct editing whenever possible.

BTW, stay tuned, I've heard rumblings of a "fix" to the lock problem:diablo:
Of course it would only be used to allow a legal owner of the RT to make backups :D
 

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Leon said:
In defense of software locks... Its there to prevent people from pirating copies of it to friends. Although usually only found on low volume applications (like the RT), without locks, even fewer licenses would be sold (because of piracy), forcing developers to raise prices in order to pay for R&D and programmers, and still try to make a little money.

And where I come from if a product doesn't make any money it gets sh*t-canned... You wouldn't want that now would you?

My company loses a few MILLION $$$ a year to piracy... thats like someone helping themselves to my wallet when I'm not looking.

-Leon :whack:
Leon,
I'm also a developer. I also "loose" to piracy. But, I disagree with your thinking. I would own the RT if it didn't have these locks. Your whole argument goes down the tubes with a simple crack. I could EASILY break their lock. I'm only sugesting that they allow a licensing scheme more like Microsofts and I think that they would make more money.
 

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Not all that many, actually. V-Mods, SE air filter and a modified air box cover and lots of dyno time. Best 1/4 mile run of 11.29 @ 119. Oh, and a 28T pulley. And what are you referring to by lock? I read your post above, but I don't get it?!?



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If your PCM goes bad, you have to repurchase the RT. And if you don't like the RT, too bad, you own it and can't sell it. If you would rather have it on another bike of yours, again, too bad. I don't know what happens if they flash the PCM though. That's why I don't support it. Short of racing, it's not needed, just nice to have. Too bad to, because it's pretty cool. But in my case, their loosing money, because of the locks.
 

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You guys gave me a great idea! I could write software that would allow owners to make "backups" of the RT software. Then profit from their mistake.

Just kidding, but it could easily be done.

This reminds me of Autocad, they came out with a version that was locked. They changed back to the way it was due to the massive loss of income. Ironic, don't you think?
 

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I have absolutely no problem with the RT being VIN or PCM specific. I'm also quite sure if you contacted HD if your PCM died they would replace your RT as for no charge.


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Pain in the a$$. Prove that you bought one, then voided PCM warranty because you have it. No thanks.

Like I said, great product, excellent developers, bad marketing. Although if what mjw930 says is true, sales may go way up. I'm just guessing that I'm not the only person that has a problem with the way that they are "locking" it.

John,
Are those SE V-Moded that you have or just stockers V-Moded?
 
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