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HD claims the new battery is good for 150% more range!!
This thing is going to be so cool it will sell out.
Bet it will be priced crazy though.The ev nuts will splash the cash even if they haven't ridden before and once the performance benefits get to be know a whole new culture will open up.
I see light weight,big brakes,adjustable suspension,mega torque,killer looks,funky whine,almost free fuel and a pillion seat if that don't make you happy you should consider retirement.
 

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Looks pretty cool ! Just don't like the fact that in my area it's charged with coal. Hopefully when they get it out in the world and work out the bugs they'll build a Hybrid version you can fill up at gas stations - and keep riding. Then I will consider it.
 

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H-D Wet Back / Wet Crotch Warning Sticker now available -

Excellent point coastrider ! H-D Development - Note to itself on Livewire safety placarding - "Do Not Defeat the Rear Wheel "Backwater" strip - In Rain Motorcycle May Go Full Speed Uncommanded and Electrocute Rider Due To Shorting Of Main Battery Through Wet Crotch Area" There that's fixed. Stupid Question ? Why can't these new bikes just have a friggin' rear fender ? So H-D can sell a "fender add kit" instead of a " fender delete kit " ?, either way for $ 500 ? Like the Limited Tour Pack- ya pay big bucks for it then another $ 500 to Q.D. remove it and then $ 250 to fix the lights, wiring antenna, etc.
Tassie lets just hope they don't neuter it's performance - got it from a H-D source it's already been trimmed back - a future V&H electronic add-on work-around ? $ 550 ? No Dyno time required, just plug & play ? :blahblah: :D
 

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Looks pretty cool ! Just don't like the fact that in my area it's charged with coal. Hopefully when they get it out in the world and work out the bugs they'll build a Hybrid version you can fill up at gas stations - and keep riding. Then I will consider it.
How's that going to happen without adding a shitload of weight,decreasing battery range,adding complexity and cost,your looking at this whole deal wrong.
Yes it has boundaries so do fossil bikes just in different areas.One needs a bit of forward thinking and the ability to accept there is no perfect answer to anything.
This is the perfect start to the end of the motorcycle duldrums affecting the whole scene at the moment.
No one rejects current bikes because you can erupt in a ball of flames if you squeeze the nozzle too early at fill up and neither do they walk instead of slowly choking on an ever increasing cocktail of poisonous gasses.If you think running low on battery power is the more evil your risk/reward settings are shot.
I fuel up at 250K's with the V Rod nothing would change with a Livewire apart from the timing of the recharge,the times I would be riding further than a full charge are minimal and the V would be rolled out for those rides if necessary.
It's taken HD 115 years to perfect the M8 and the Livewire will hit the ground running with maybe the fast charge side of things needing a bit more time to perfect,or have they,might be keeping quiet on that front to get the jump on the competition.We'll know in twelve months.
 

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I like it! Not sure what 150% more range equates to though?
250 kilometres /155 miles first battery did 60 odd miles.
 

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Tassie I think it's cool and for a lot of folks, that range will be completely fine ! I think you're looking at it all wrong - Not one, just build two bikes - the Livewire and the Livewire Hybrid - both with the same fun electric torque, one's a city shorter range bike, the other a ride to California highway bike. Trade 1/2 the battery weight for a small high Rpm gas engine driving a super efficient generator that tops out at 85 Mph with no battery loss. Also is 150% of 60 miles 155 Miles ? Also gas engines do not create Mercury in rivers and fish from coal or radioactive waste with plutonium from Nukes where one teaspoon can kill half the U.S. population. It's not all a happy electric perfect planet here - we've had this discussion before. Bike does look good, can't wait for a true test report.
 

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Tassie I think it's cool and for a lot of folks, that range will be completely fine ! I think you're looking at it all wrong - Not one, just build two bikes - the Livewire and the Livewire Hybrid - both with the same fun electric torque, one's a city shorter range bike, the other a ride to California highway bike. Trade 1/2 the battery weight for a small high Rpm gas engine driving a super efficient generator that tops out at 85 Mph with no battery loss. Also is 150% of 60 miles 155 Miles ? Also gas engines do not create Mercury in rivers and fish from coal or radioactive waste with plutonium from Nukes where one teaspoon can kill half the U.S. population. It's not all a happy electric perfect planet here - we've had this discussion before. Bike does look good, can't wait for a true test report.
We're old sparring partners on this and know each others views but I do it now to hear other guys viewpoints but it's like getting blood from a stone at times so in the interim...……….by the time they sort out a hybrid the fast charge reality will be here and HD would be sitting on another bike with a possible sale in Atlanta and that's about it:stilpoke:
If rivers are polluted by mercury someone is breaking the law and should be castrated unlike the cart blanche fuel company's currently receive for my lung damage.

Ditto the test ride provided the author isn't involved in the rear ending of HD like most seem to be these days as if they will be ostracised for being truthfull or in a lot of cases simply don't know the subject matter well enough.
 

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HD claims the new battery is good for 150% more range!!
This thing is going to be so cool it will sell out.
Bet it will be priced crazy though.The ev nuts will splash the cash even if they haven't ridden before and once the performance benefits get to be know a whole new culture will open up.
I see light weight,big brakes,adjustable suspension,mega torque,killer looks,funky whine,almost free fuel and a pillion seat if that don't make you happy you should consider retirement.
He said light weight. Like he forgot it's a Harley or something. :)



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He said light weight. Like he forgot it's a Harley or something. :)



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Fatten it up some more if they like...………….gotta think different with these suckers weight = range.
Frame weighs 14lb,lightest wheels they've ever made,not a lot of shaving to be done without blowing out the cost with carbon bits.
 

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Mercury and Cardigan sweaters ? What ?

So Tassie again is 60 miles x 150% - 155 Miles ? Mercury pollution from man comes mainly from coal fired electrical powerplants after the soot settles back on land and water, guess you never heard of that. One good thing ( I Guess ) is I just don't see pirates dumping out of the bars in droves and kicking over their shovel heads to get to the first one that is dumb enough to pull up out front. That guy just might get laughed at and get his nice cardigan sweater all frumped up doing that - and then run out of battery power during his great escape - as the shovel heads catch up. Yea, Hate it when that happens. I'm Sticking with Gasoline for now. Report back to us my battery biker buddy ! :blahblah: :D
 

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250 kilometres /155 miles first battery did 60 odd miles.
So Tassie again is 60 miles x 150% - 155 Miles ? Mercury pollution from man comes mainly from coal fired electrical powerplants after the soot settles back on land and water, guess you never heard of that. One good thing ( I Guess ) is I just don't see pirates dumping out of the bars in droves and kicking over their shovel heads to get to the first one that is dumb enough to pull up out front. That guy just might get laughed at and get his nice cardigan sweater all frumped up doing that - and then run out of battery power during his great escape - as the shovel heads catch up. Yea, Hate it when that happens. I'm Sticking with Gasoline for now. Report back to us my battery biker buddy ! :blahblah: :D
Oddly enough yes it is.I'm fully aware of the reason a trout grows two heads

I did a thesis on it when I applied for membership to the forum.

HD are building new urban storefronts for the customers that don't need the aggravation of entering the testosterone pits,they would be wise to have parts pickup available there also.They've also hinted at a greater online presence so you can probably click on a Livewire and have it delivered.
Here's an interesting fact for the cynics only 1% of the original Livewire that did the initial tour was retained so more than likely the mirrors.The rest is all new.Now that's taking feedback seriously and when was the last time a bike manufacturer went to these lengths to get public opinion on a product.
This is going to be awesome,might sew some buttons up the guts of my BBTVR t-shirt and mingle with the new ''Shock Jocks''.
 

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GEEKS are the Future ! ?

Just make sure your cardigan sweater is properly pressed, your skinny jeans are in place and your helmet is a special edition that provides that all needed room for your " Man Bun " Toss your Shell gas credit card, print up a local plug-in map for electric vehicles with distances to local bars with " 1/2 a charge, a 20 Oz. Fosters and a Cheeseburger w/fries for $ 17.50 " advertising and hit the road. Nothing can stop you. ( as long as the battery stays charged ) OH - except add to the map where real biker bars are so you can avoid all that conflict with the pirates. Not Good. Amazing they changed the Livewire that much, kinda sounds the original was a little half baked, right ? Amazing what group think does for corporate decisions - everyone wants to keep their jobs, all agree - kill the best bike and engine we ever made because we never believed in it or promoted it and hey lets get this battery bike out there for the silly A$$ millennials that never worked on a bicycle let alone a motorcycle or even mowed a lawn. No oil changes, adding gas or fuel adjustments. GEEKS are our future ! Sounds good, I seriously hope it works out for H-D, I can see them selling a lot at first, then tapering off like the V Rod, once they start eating 2 headed Trout at their local urban bar from the mercury in the coal it took to charge their battery bikes. At least they won't have to worry about picking up biker chicks - :blahblah: :D
 

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Just make sure your cardigan sweater is properly pressed, your skinny jeans are in place and your helmet is a special edition that provides that all needed room for your " Man Bun " Toss your Shell gas credit card, print up a local plug-in map for electric vehicles with distances to local bars with " 1/2 a charge, a 20 Oz. Fosters and a Cheeseburger w/fries for $ 17.50 " advertising and hit the road. Nothing can stop you. ( as long as the battery stays charged ) OH - except add to the map where real biker bars are so you can avoid all that conflict with the pirates. Not Good. Amazing they changed the Livewire that much, kinda sounds the original was a little half baked, right ? Amazing what group think does for corporate decisions - everyone wants to keep their jobs, all agree - kill the best bike and engine we ever made because we never believed in it or promoted it and hey lets get this battery bike out there for the silly A$$ millennials that never worked on a bicycle let alone a motorcycle or even mowed a lawn. No oil changes, adding gas or fuel adjustments. GEEKS are our future ! Sounds good, I seriously hope it works out for H-D, I can see them selling a lot at first, then tapering off like the V Rod, once they start eating 2 headed Trout at their local urban bar from the mercury in the coal it took to charge their battery bikes. At least they won't have to worry about picking up biker chicks - :blahblah: :D
Lots of places around the world will only permit electric bikes in cities,the market is massive HD could prosper on electrics alone no need to even have dealers anymore as we know them if it works right.
V Rod isn't dead yet, they've got 100 bikes coming over ten years, so far we've seen what about 20 variations of the new stuff announced. Streetfighter,Frying Pan America and Custom are a few years out.Think I counted 32 bikes in the current lineup so if they are included that's only fifty odd.Quite a few of them will go the way of the dodo you would think I mean how many variations of the Sportster do you need so hang in there it's nearly a new bike a month for the foreseeable future.
The FXDR just appeared from nowhere V could be the same with all the bibs and bobs to make it a must have.
 
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