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Hi all

First post for a while, hope you can help.

I have a 2014 Night Rod. It has been sat on trickle charge over the winter, I went out to start it up, turned the ignition then as I hit start there was maybe a small pop noise, just once from the front end of the bike - then all the usual engine / oil lights and pod illumination all went off completely - no red key , no nothing. I turn the ignition OFF, and then there is a low flickering of the dial pod illumination, but only when the ignition is off - if I turn it ON, there is nothing, completely dead.

I have tried to link here to a short video of the ignition Off, then switched to on (when all the lights are killed), but I forgot my old password and have registered a new account so it won't let me post the link which is annoying!



At no point, ignition on or off, do the headlight and tail light circuits seem to come on.

The weird thing is this happened the first time the other day - because of the flickering with the engine off I disconnected the earth and left it a few days - when i reconnected it was the same briefly, and then with no warning everything came on just as it should in first ignition position - but when I went to hit the starter again, it all happened over just the same. The bike is back to earth disconnected in the garage.

I guess the garage could be a tiny bit damp, but not much. Both times it seemed to happen as I hit the starter.

I don't know where to start or how to get my bike to the dealer 25 miles away! Any ideas would be really appreciated.

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if you put the usual www and dot in front of this it should work - sorry for the workaround, not trying to flout forum rules, I have posted more before, just on another account!

dropbox.com/s/he1h6urdjet3jzl/IMG_1024.MOV?dl=0
 

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Hi all

First post for a while, hope you can help.

I have a 2014 Night Rod. It has been sat on trickle charge over the winter, I went out to start it up, turned the ignition then as I hit start there was maybe a small pop noise, just once from the front end of the bike - then all the usual engine / oil lights and pod illumination all went off completely - no red key , no nothing. I turn the ignition OFF, and then there is a low flickering of the dial pod illumination, but only when the ignition is off - if I turn it ON, there is nothing, completely dead.

I have tried to link here to a short video of the ignition Off, then switched to on (when all the lights are killed), but I forgot my old password and have registered a new account so it won't let me post the link which is annoying!



At no point, ignition on or off, do the headlight and tail light circuits seem to come on.

The weird thing is this happened the first time the other day - because of the flickering with the engine off I disconnected the earth and left it a few days - when i reconnected it was the same briefly, and then with no warning everything came on just as it should in first ignition position - but when I went to hit the starter again, it all happened over just the same. The bike is back to earth disconnected in the garage.

I guess the garage could be a tiny bit damp, but not much. Both times it seemed to happen as I hit the starter.

I don't know where to start or how to get my bike to the dealer 25 miles away! Any ideas would be really appreciated.

Thank you
Sounds like the battery terminal is loose on the positive side or cracked plate in the battery itself. Load breaks contact and what there is the resistance is so high ,not enough juice to make ECM and TSSM work. For starters try a different battery or at least load test the current one to see what it does. The fact it was on the tender all winter means nothing. I've see tenders show full charge and not enough current in the battery to start the bike.
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Hi

Thanks for the suggestion - I ran a meter across the battery today and got 12.27 V

I tried taking out every fuse under the seat, and nothing changed - does this indicate a short somewhere around the battery or ignition?

I am so puzzled by the flickering pod illumination (no other lights) when the ignition is OFF, but totally dead when ignition is on or ACC
 

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Hi

Thanks for the suggestion - I ran a meter across the battery today and got 12.27 V

I tried taking out every fuse under the seat, and nothing changed - does this indicate a short somewhere around the battery or ignition?

I am so puzzled by the flickering pod illumination (no other lights) when the ignition is OFF, but totally dead when ignition is on or ACC
I would test the ignition switch for correct contacting. They are fairly robust and I've had mine apart to lube the detent innards so unless it is seriously corroded there should be no issue with it. They can be completely disassembled and re assembled no problem if a problem shows up with it. Voltage test both the ignition terminal and the accy terminal by turning the knob to the correct position first. Plug might need to be pulled back slightly. Both should read battery voltage. Terminal resistance checks will work also with the plug off of the switch. Failing any problem there, change out the system relay, if you haven't already. It can be swapped out with fan or starter relays for test and elimination. They are all the same. Did you check for codes as it will generally point to the relay if it has issues.
There are also fuses under the right air inlet by the fork. Check those first before anything else.
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I believe there is a second fuse block in front of the battery behind the right triangle cover. Check it out. Also check out the fuses with a meter. Eyeballing a fuse sometimes does not show a bad one.
 

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The big 40amp fuse is ok - although that is the only fuse that if removed stops the flickering pod lights when ignition is in the OF position...

I'll dig back in this morning and see if I can find others in that area, thanks
 

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Thanks for your ongoing help and ideas - you are helping me through an elimination process.

So I located the fuse set under the right triangle cover and have changed and swapped each fuse and relay with no effect.

I have removed and cleaned the terminals on the ignition switch with no effect - however -

When I completely disconnected the ignition switch (resulting in a definite 'off' state for the bike presumably), the instrument cluster flashing still continued and would only stop if I remove the 40amp fuse or disconnect the battery.

Should this be narrowing something down? Is it as simple as it means a fault after the battery and before the ignition switch? If so, am I looking at part of the security system? If it was a gauge/instrument cluster failure, surely it would only cause issues or show the failure when I turn the bike on, not in an off position? And the only life on the bike is the cluster flashing in the video above in the ignition off position, or completely dead all over in the on position. There's never any lights, turn signals, warning lights, diagnostic access, LCD life etc no matter what.

It is also still bugging me that after this initially failed in this way, for a brief time after I reconnected the battery for the first time it all sprang into life until I hit the starter - since then, nothing...

It's a head scratcher! Thanks again for any ideas
 

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Thanks for your ongoing help and ideas - you are helping me through an elimination process.

So I located the fuse set under the right triangle cover and have changed and swapped each fuse and relay with no effect.

I have removed and cleaned the terminals on the ignition switch with no effect - however -

When I completely disconnected the ignition switch (resulting in a definite 'off' state for the bike presumably), the instrument cluster flashing still continued and would only stop if I remove the 40amp fuse or disconnect the battery.

Should this be narrowing something down? Is it as simple as it means a fault after the battery and before the ignition switch? If so, am I looking at part of the security system? If it was a gauge/instrument cluster failure, surely it would only cause issues or show the failure when I turn the bike on, not in an off position? And the only life on the bike is the cluster flashing in the video above in the ignition off position, or completely dead all over in the on position. There's never any lights, turn signals, warning lights, diagnostic access, LCD life etc no matter what.

It is also still bugging me that after this initially failed in this way, for a brief time after I reconnected the battery for the first time it all sprang into life until I hit the starter - since then, nothing...

It's a head scratcher! Thanks again for any ideas
Electrical sucks, no doubt about that. All I can add is the only place the IM can get power from in a key off event is through the SM and ECM. Short of unplugging each of these and reseating the plugs, any other possibles are beyond my ability at this time.
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I'll give it a go - either way you have been really helpful, thanks for your time

Another day or two and it will have to go on a trailer and be carted up to the dealer - I'll be sure to update in case others come across the same!
 

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I had a similar issue with my 06 vrsca. Mine died at a stop sign two blocks from home and I had to push her back. No dash lights, no head or tail lights, just plain dead. I read somewhere that the grounding locations can become loose. I went and tightened down each ground on the chassis and battery and my issue was resolved. The battery ground terminal had backed off slightly as well as a chassis ground I believe near the neck. Memory is a bit foggy as it happened over a year ago.


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There are three grounds, One on top of each head, a third - lower left engine to frame and the ground for the battery. Remove and clean up real good both ends of the ground wires if you can get to them. Torque them down real good. Also while you are at it clean up the battery positive lead.
 

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Thanks for the ideas - I spent a day just going through as much of the wiring as I could paying attention to grounds - still no change. I hve admitted defeat and taken it to a specialist bike electrician today and will let you know what he finds!
 
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