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· Twisted!!!!!!!
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You have a RT. Datalog with it and it should tell you if and when knock sensors activate, then you compare with the hp graph you have. If you tune'em out you'll end up with higher hp or at least with a smoother graph making it pull harder most of the time, thus a faster, better riding, not to mention a more efficient and reliable motorcycle.
 

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I'd wait till I double check

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Man, I hope I can get numbers like that! I'm going to try and take my bike down this week to get a baseline dyno with it stock, and then get it tuned the following week with the Force pipes and the filter. I'll post soon as I have the dyno print outs.
These guys are giving me doubts. Let me double check before you go out spending money on these pipes.
 

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OKIE,
Your Air Box?What have you done to it?Stock,Topless,Modded?I have spent more time on the dyno then most and don't feel your numbers are accurate for what you have No matter what you say.Keep that Tune up and take it to 3 different dyno's for just a rwhp run.If it breaks 120 in to of the 3 I will be towing my bike personally to you incredible tuners!This 5 rwhp more then the closes stock setup I have heard.My 120+rwhp runs were with oxygenated gas there's NO FU(KING WAY you did that with that setup on pump gas! :bs:
 

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OKIE,
Your Air Box?What have you done to it?Stock,Topless,Modded?I have spent more time on the dyno then most and don't feel your numbers are accurate for what you have No matter what you say.Keep that Tune up and take it to 3 different dyno's for just a rwhp run.If it breaks 120 in to of the 3 I will be towing my bike personally to you incredible tuners!This 5 rwhp more then the closes stock setup I have heard.My 120+rwhp runs were with oxygenated gas there's NO FU(KING WAY you did that with that setup on pump gas! :bs:
I ran topless. I don't know what he's doing. He may be running it naked (no filter). I will have all this checked on another dyno. I'll go to ten of em if you would like to finance it rich boy.
 

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OK There must be something going on here. You all can't be wrong. Even the tuner can't believe it. The only explaination he can figure is a bore kit. I am not the original owner but he is a friend of mine and there is no bore kit. Skin is adiment about his equipment being calibrated. So I'm stumped also. But I promise you I will never do anything to add confusion to our forum.
 

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Very good point!

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I know, its higher than normal #s. I think its the one TWENTY mark thats freaking eveyone out. Yet 117 is perfectly acceptable.
True! Get it checked, I bet you'll be happy with the results anyway. Hope it's better than 120.
 

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Okie,
Now why would you want to go there?Believe me I have held back out of respect for the Forum and Max.I'm not trying to Flame you I just have messed around with a couple of these bikes to know better when something does not add up!Being Rich or Poor,Black or White,or Male and Female has Nothing to do with this.Respect has to be Earned as my Daddy used to Say! ;)
 

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Many years ago, my brother ran a B/G dragster. This was a small block Chevy, 301 inches with a 4:71 supercharger. The rail did consistant low 9's and was flawless in keeping to that pace over the few seasons he ran it. This was in the mid-60's.

However, only once did he break the 9 barrier, and hit a 8.39 ET for the 1/4 mile. This is almost a second off consistant times turned in as 9.01 to 9.20's is where this rail lived.

The weather conditions that night were ideal for this to happen, as that is the only thing I remember as to why anyone could explain why the rail performed the way it did.

My thought is that certain conditions will allow results to happen that may not normally occur with engines. Weather conditions being a prime example of having a cause/effect on results and perhaps that this is one of those reasons why results that Okies bike with his tuner occured.

I do know LA can be really hot and humid, but at other times, it can be downright cold and offer perfect opportunities to pull conditions together to allow the motor to do things it may not normally do.

Maybe the conditions were the reason for a higher than norm HP pull off the dyno, who knows.
 

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Hey Okie, any chance I can get a copy of your race tuner file? I just got my Force pipes this week and I'm going to throw them on this weekend. I just need something that I can dump in the bike that will get me to the dealer so they can tune it. Your numbers look great! $440 doesn't sound too bad. How many hours did it take him to get it dialed in?
 

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Well, the only noticeable difference was at the gas pump (not even 30 on the highway) and spit and sputtered until it warmed up good. It's now at Shreveport Harley being tuned. Wish me luck I sure could use some.
 

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Your tuner sounds like he is just after big#'s.Make sure the new tuner does the low and midranges.My first tuner just tuned it for max hp.The bike ran better before I took it to the dealer.That was with KN filter,no top and the ST's.I got fed up with their trying to BSing me.So,I found a different tuner that has gone to school for the power commander.He did a real good job,no popping,surging,but 1 flat spot.Thats my fault because 'I' ran out of time for him to fix.
The only time I'm going to the old dealer is for the 2500+5000k free oil changes.And I'll have my new one do the servicing.
 

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My bikes back at the tuner for gas in the oil. It is running great. He called today and said the afr looked good but he could lean it out a little down low.
Also while it's there I wouldn't mind a little more at the top. When it made 121hp on that first run at Cajun Harley the AFR was [email protected] then the final tune was 118hp with the AFR [email protected] Then Shreveport Harley tuned it. 116hp with the AFR [email protected] 8.5K. The leaner the better. but what's TOO lean?
Any comments please anybody.
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There's 2 schools of tuning, one is lean it out until you lose power then back off half a turn (old phrase) or the modern way, datalog the runs and lean it out until you get detonation (indicated by ignition retard). Either way works but the datalog gives me more peace of mind.

Heck, the way we used to jet the race boats was pretty primitive but it worked. If at WOT you could move the throttle and not sense any change in forward velocity then it's too rich. Drop down a jet size until coming off WOT causes an instant drop in speed. Then do a proper plug test to make sure you're not too lean or running too much timing. Never hand grenaded a motor and the last 461 (454 / 20 over) I had made 575 hp @ 6350 :D
 

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I have always used the oposit approach - fatten it until you begin to lose power (top end speed at strip) I prefer a little rich to lean. Mine is tuned to 12.8 to 1 at WOT. My earlier experimenting gave me best results (at speed - not dyno) on the richer side.
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That's the other end of the optimum range and I agree, I'd rather error on that side of the curve than the lean side ;) Dialing it in would be to find the spot in the rich side where it loses power then find the spot on the lean side that it loses power then set it to the middle.

Okie, Unless you're trying to win a shootout I'd leave it rich on the top. A little insurance is worth the 5 hp IMHO. One thing I found is that different conditions make a world of difference. I tuned my bike lean on a cool evening then put it on a dynojet in the middle of the afternoon and watched the power drop off @ 7500 rpm as the knock sensor took 2 degrees of ignition out :( I added that fuel back and the bike works well at all temps.
 
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