[Studog502]

I have a 2013 Muscle with 2-1 VnH comp exhaust. I noticed that the top fan wasn’t running yet the bottom fan was. The bike was running around 235 with outside temp at 88. Any help would be great.

 

[rbabos]

I have a 2013 Muscle with 2-1 VnH comp exhaust. I noticed that the top fan wasn’t running yet the bottom fan was. The bike was running around 235 with outside temp at 88. Any help would be great.

Both run on the same power source so likely a dead spot in the fan motor or related wiring to the top fan. Hook each one up to a 12v power source indivivually and check that way. Move the top fan blade in rotation and try it again. Keep fingers out of it unless unplugged.
Ron

 

[Studog502]

Ron, it turns freely. Doesn’t come on when moving wires around. Do they make a high performance fan? Or an upgraded one?

 

[rbabos]

Ron, it turns freely. Doesn’t come on when moving wires around. Do they make a high performance fan? Or an upgraded one?

No high performance I know of. Size restraints limits what you can work with in there. There are parted out fan unit's on Ebay. I'm thinking of getting a spare motor also, just to have in stock. Just to be clear, it won't run jumpered with a direct battery connection? If not, then the motor is pooched.
Ron

 

[stevemcgov]

He said "pooched"....lMAO

There are aftermarket Fans that match up okay , right?

 

[knight rod rob]

Yes do a search, I think the company is called spal you can get a fan motor and just change the connector. You can carefully press the fan blade off which in my opinion should only be done once. I bought a new fan assy from Harley and rebuilt my old set up w/ the spal motors. And yep the top motor failed on mines also. So I put some heat sheilding material zip tied to the back of the motor. The motor has already outlasted the old motor. Its to close to the header pipe.

 

[Mr. Orange 645]

Same exact problem with my 2103 Night Rod Special. My top fan runs, but not my bottom fan. It turns freely, but doesn't turn on. Have tried jumping it yet. Just put the bike in storage since I'm going on vacation for a couple weeks. Looks like I'll have something to tinker with when I get back.

 

[GeorgeVee]

I'm a newbie to Vrods. I just bought a 2013 VRSCDX and notice my fans are very noisy, is that normal.
thanks.

 

[rbabos]

I'm a newbie to Vrods. I just bought a 2013 VRSCDX and notice my fans are very noisy, is that normal.
thanks.

They are noisy as in fast turning and moving air but unless you have squealing as part of the noise, it's normal.
Ron

 

[GeorgeVee]

They are noisy as in fast turning and moving air but unless you have squealing as part of the noise, it's normal.
Ron

Thanks

 

[Mr. Orange 645]

Apparently from 2002-2003, the fans were two separate replaceable parts. But later models both fans are part of one larger unit and can't be replaced individually.eaning you have to remove, or at least partially uninstall the radiator to get the fans out and replace them. That's what it looks like anyway.

BUT looking at pictures of the units on eBay, it does appear you can swap out the fan MOTORS without removing the whole unit. They are held in by three screws to the fan bodies, and I think the screws face outward, toward the engine.

My bike is in the storage unit since we have some heavy storms rolling in this evening, but Friday I'm going to do an oil change on it. I'll look at it in person to see if it possible.

It may not save money, but it would save labor. I'll report back.

 

[Studog502]

Apparently from 2002-2003, the fans were two separate replaceable parts. But later models both fans are part of one larger unit and can't be replaced individually.eaning you have to remove, or at least partially uninstall the radiator to get the fans out and replace them. That's what it looks like anyway.

BUT looking at pictures of the units on eBay, it does appear you can swap out the fan MOTORS without removing the whole unit. They are held in by three screws to the fan bodies, and I think the screws face outward, toward the engine.

My bike is in the storage unit since we have some heavy storms rolling in this evening, but Friday I'm going to do an oil change on it. I'll look at it in person to see if it possible.

It may not save money, but it would save labor. I'll report back.

Thanks!!

 

[Mr. Orange 645]

Apparently from 2002-2003, the fans were two separate replaceable parts. But later models both fans are part of one larger unit and can't be replaced individually.eaning you have to remove, or at least partially uninstall the radiator to get the fans out and replace them. That's what it looks like anyway.

BUT looking at pictures of the units on eBay, it does appear you can swap out the fan MOTORS without removing the whole unit. They are held in by three screws to the fan bodies, and I think the screws face outward, toward the engine.

My bike is in the storage unit since we have some heavy storms rolling in this evening, but Friday I'm going to do an oil change on it. I'll look at it in person to see if it possible.

It may not save money, but it would save labor. I'll report back.

Thanks!!

It is theoretically possible. But the fan blades are pressed into the motors. So they can't be easily removed from the assembly. Someone on here mentioned using a punch to carefully knock the pin out, swapping the motors, then pressing the fan blade back on.

I would up swapping the whole assbly without removing the radiator. But my bottom.fan stopped again, so something else is going on. I may look at disassembling the old unit just to see how easy it is. If I break a fan, so what, it was already toast. If it's easy enough, I can at least salvage the good motors as spares.

 

[Mr. Orange 645]

Yup, disassembled a working fan and pressed it into the assembly. Took all of two minutes to do, now I have two working fans again!

 

[msubido]

Hi all...I'm having upper fan problems for my '12 Turbo Muscle. Is it true that you have to replace the entire fan housing to replace just 1 fan? Or can you just replace the single fan? If I can replace the just single fan does anyone have a make, model, and part number you can refer to me? Thanks in advance!!!

 

[rbabos]

Hi all...I'm having upper fan problems for my '12 Turbo Muscle. Is it true that you have to replace the entire fan housing to replace just 1 fan? Or can you just replace the single fan? If I can replace the just single fan does anyone have a make, model, and part number you can refer to me? Thanks in advance!!!

Read the above posts for the answer.
Ron

 

[msubido]

Ron...thanks for the reply. So from reading the post, it would seem that I could replace just 1 fan from the entire assembly. I would like to fix my fan issue by doing the single fan replacement but the thread didn't have any make, model or part number. I did see a thumbnail of what looks to be the fan that was purchased/recommended but I was unable to open it. So if there is some detailed information on the fan I should order, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks...Mauro

 

[Mr. Orange 645]

Ron...thanks for the reply. So from reading the post, it would seem that I could replace just 1 fan from the entire assembly. I would like to fix my fan issue by doing the single fan replacement but the thread didn't have any make, model or part number. I did see a thumbnail of what looks to be the fan that was purchased/recommended but I was unable to open it. So if there is some detailed information on the fan I should order, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks...Mauro

Officially you need to replace both fans at once, as they are in a sealed unit. About $200+ from Harley.

However, you CAN replace just one fan, if you know what you're doing. The fans are produced by SPAL and are model# va31-a101-46a, part number 30103011.

Here's how to replace one fan:

Items needed:
1. Patience
2. Nerves of steel
3. SPAL fan va31-a101-46a
4. 10mm socket
5. Uh...whatever socket size the radiator support bolts are...13mm? 1/2 in?
6. #2 Phillips head screwdriver
7. Center punch AKA finishing nail countersink
8. Small hammer or other similar beating instrument
9. Wire cutters
10. Wire strippers
11. Heat shrink tubing
12. Heat gun or hair dryer (lighter works in a pinch)
13. Soldering gun
14. Solder
15. About 30 minutes to spare

I'm going to assume you have a service manual, so I don't have to explain every little detail. If you don't have a service manual, go buy one.

1. Remove radiator cover/shroud
2. Remove lower radiator support bracket (AKA front crossmember)
3. Loosen top radiator support bolts
4. Remove three bolts (10mm socket) from the fan frame assembly. One on each side, and one top middle. It's a bitch to get to without completely removing the radiator, but you can do it.
5. Unplg both fans (plugs under left radiator cover)
6. Slide fan assembly down and out through the bottom of the frame. It helps if you have the bike up on a scissor lift for ground clearance.

Now the fun part. By this point you will have ordered and received this EXACT fan:

Spal 30103011 5.2" Paddle Blade Puller Fan https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009OBP0Z6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_x1olDbBFH8EPZ

You can get it direct from SPAL for about $10 more if you don't like Amazon. Make sure you get the PULLER fan.

Now we're going to swap fans. I recommend starting with the busted fan, in case you screw it up...who cares.

1. On the back of the fan is three screws. Remove them. The fan will be loose in the assembly, but you'll notice the fan blades don't allow it come out of the frame.

2. Lay the fan assembly in your lap with the fan blades facing UP. (you're sitting down by now, right?) Important the fan blades are facing UP. Center the broken fan between your legs.

3. Now take your center punch and small hammer. Place the center punch in the middle of thr fan blade, right where you see the metal pin holding on the blades.

4. Lightly tap the center punch with the small hammer. This will push the metal pin, and with it the motor, out of the back of the frame. So now you have a frame with just one fan.

5. Now, grab your brand new SPAL puller fan model #va31-a101-46a. Get ready to void any warranty it carried.

6. Optional: I recommend testing the fan first by jumping it with a 9v battery. POS to POS and NEG to NEG. It's a 12v fan, but 9v is enough to spin it.

7. Remove the three screws from the back side.

8. Now flip it over in your lap. Use your center punch to tap out the pin/motor to free the fan blades and remove it from the frame. Careful not to let the motor fall between your legs and strike the ground. Cause if it does, and it stops working, you don't have a warranty anymore.

9. Now, place the new fan motor in the V-Rod fan frame and secure it with the three screws.

10. Take the fan blades and press them back on to the motor housing. I just pressed it ok by hand, others have used a press. Just don't beat on it with a hammer. Press it on firmly.

11. Ok, that part is done. One more trick. Look at your new plug. Now look at your old plug. Holy crap, they don't match! Don't fret! Clip the wires, swap plugs, solder the wires and use heat shrink tubing on the joints.

12. Reverse the fan removal instructions to reinstall the fans.

Voila! You just saved about $150! Grab yourself a beer, grab your woman and show her what a man you are. You did it!

 

[rbabos]

Officially you need to replace both fans at once, as they are in a sealed unit. About $200+ from Harley.

However, you CAN replace just one fan, if you know what you're doing. The fans are produced by SPAL and are model# va31-a101-46a, part number 30103011.

Here's how to replace one fan:

Items needed:
1. Patience
2. Nerves of steel
3. SPAL fan va31-a101-46a
4. 10mm socket
5. Uh...whatever socket size the radiator support bolts are...13mm? 1/2 in?
6. #2 Phillips head screwdriver
7. Center punch AKA finishing nail countersink
8. Small hammer or other similar beating instrument
9. Wire cutters
10. Wire strippers
11. Heat shrink tubing
12. Heat gun or hair dryer (lighter works in a pinch)
13. Soldering gun
14. Solder
15. About 30 minutes to spare

I'm going to assume you have a service manual, so I don't have to explain every little detail. If you don't have a service manual, go buy one.

1. Remove radiator cover/shroud
2. Remove lower radiator support bracket (AKA front crossmember)
3. Loosen top radiator support bolts
4. Remove three bolts (10mm socket) from the fan frame assembly. One on each side, and one top middle. It's a bitch to get to without completely removing the radiator, but you can do it.
5. Unplg both fans (plugs under left radiator cover)
6. Slide fan assembly down and out through the bottom of the frame. It helps if you have the bike up on a scissor lift for ground clearance.

Now the fun part. By this point you will have ordered and received this EXACT fan:

Spal 30103011 5.2" Paddle Blade Puller Fan https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009OBP0Z6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_x1olDbBFH8EPZ

You can get it direct from SPAL for about $10 more if you don't like Amazon. Make sure you get the PULLER fan.

Now we're going to swap fans. I recommend starting with the busted fan, in case you screw it up...who cares.

1. On the back of the fan is three screws. Remove them. The fan will be loose in the assembly, but you'll notice the fan blades don't allow it come out of the frame.

2. Lay the fan assembly in your lap with the fan blades facing UP. (you're sitting down by now, right?) Important the fan blades are facing UP. Center the broken fan between your legs.

3. Now take your center punch and small hammer. Place the center punch in the middle of thr fan blade, right where you see the metal pin holding on the blades.

4. Lightly tap the center punch with the small hammer. This will push the metal pin, and with it the motor, out of the back of the frame. So now you have a frame with just one fan.

5. Now, grab your brand new SPAL puller fan model #va31-a101-46a. Get ready to void any warranty it carried.

6. Optional: I recommend testing the fan first by jumping it with a 9v battery. POS to POS and NEG to NEG. It's a 12v fan, but 9v is enough to spin it.

7. Remove the three screws from the back side.

8. Now flip it over in your lap. Use your center punch to tap out the pin/motor to free the fan blades and remove it from the frame. Careful not to let the motor fall between your legs and strike the ground. Cause if it does, and it stops working, you don't have a warranty anymore.

9. Now, place the new fan motor in the V-Rod fan frame and secure it with the three screws.

10. Take the fan blades and press them back on to the motor housing. I just pressed it ok by hand, others have used a press. Just don't beat on it with a hammer. Press it on firmly.

11. Ok, that part is done. One more trick. Look at your new plug. Now look at your old plug. Holy crap, they don't match! Don't fret! Clip the wires, swap plugs, solder the wires and use heat shrink tubing on the joints.

12. Reverse the fan removal instructions to reinstall the fans.

Voila! You just saved about $150! Grab yourself a beer, grab your woman and show her what a man you are. You did it!

Good post. Screw the women part. At 66 I've proved the man part many times over. Give me a beer instead.
Ron