I have noticed many people asking about the Pipes by Exotic Choppers. My advise to you all " do not purchase these pipes!" Exotic Choppers offers poor quality products and POOR customer service. I purchased the Loco black ceramic exhaust pipes for my 2008 Vrod Night Rod Special and the pipes started rusting (discoloring) after 2 months. To be completly honest I was not impressed with the sound of these pipes either. Another thing I would like to mention, and Im not sure if this is a big deal, but the bracket the bolts the pipes to the engine do not lay flush with the engine. It leaves like a 1/4" grab. I haven't done much research on it but this might not give it a good seal to the engine. After I tried contacting Exotic Choppers about the rusting of the pipes they insisted that it was my fault and that I must not keep it in a garage or that I must live near the ocean. Well, my bike is kept in a garage and I live 3 hrs from the nearest beach. I don't know if it was by accident, but he did mention that this has happened before by other costumers. Wel,l fortunately I was able to get them to recoat them, but I had to pay for all the shipping packaging and rewrapping. which all came out to another 200 bucks. My advise to you is invest your $1300.00 in a better product and save yourself the headache of having to deal with a Bad Business.