Anyone have experience with both? And care to share your thoughts?
Diavel or Vrod?
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I have ridden both tha busa and k1300r on seperate agressive rides and i thought the busa was faster in a sprint but the beema was pure joy in comparison. Strangely tho ,i hated getting on the beema after the v.rod ,but at the end of the days ride,i didnt want to give it back.Ifell in love with it.
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I was the author of that comment, And your point is? I wasn't even talking about the bikes, but their OWNERS, so chill out and pick up your petals from the floor. I'm fully aware of AAAAALL that and I've stated several times here that my next bike will be a Busa, in fact 3 months ago I was by a hair of getting one. The comment about them being "plastic bicycles" was not derrogatory at all and is the way they are called here in PR , where there's 15 Busas for each Harley, totally opposed to the States (to distinguish them from cruisers or steel "bicycles" or Bikes, capisci?). What I was "highlighting" was the stereotype of riders of both tribes, and how the sport bikers whose priority is speed eventually move to the slower and "simpler" Harley bikes. Whoever doesn't realize that Harleys are light years behind most MC brands and their engineering and technology probably doesn't even know how to use a keyboard. Anyways, even if I where an idiot for that comment I'm not insulting anyone around assuming their ignorance and thinking I have absolute wisdom just because I "speak" BMW when nobody else does (and neither cares about).
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Senor, no eres idiota.Nope, just clarifying my idiotness!
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Eso dicen por ahi...
*A 2012 883 Sporty weighs about 540#. The Hayabusa weighs 573#. The 1200 weighs around the same, 575# or so.
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Alright, I'm out. My Spanish is only so good.Eso dicen por ahi...
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No. A fully fueled 883 Iron is listed as weighing 565 lbs in "running order, meaning fluids, in the HD Sportster mini site. The XR-1200X is shown weighing in at 573 lbs in "running order". The Sportster Custom comes in at 582 lbs. These are heavy bikes. You quoted dry weights*A 2012 883 Sporty weighs about 540#. The Hayabusa weighs 573#. The 1200 weighs around the same, 575# or so.
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I can only find dry weights for the Hayabusa, with the official Suzuki Hayabusa website showing dry weights for all years of 478 lbs. They hold 5.5 gallons of gas, 3.5 qts of oil and a quart of fork oil. Figure 41 lbs of gas and 9 lbs of lubricants. That gets you to 528lbs.
Sportster dry weights run around 548 to 553 lbs and the XR's dry weight is a porky 551 lbs, more than the fully fueled wet weight of my old K-100RS. The Hayabusa is light, and modern rubber mounted Sportsters are anything but light.
The K-1300S shows a fully fueled wet weight of 560 lbs on a dry weight of 503 lbs, 25 lbs lighter than the 'Busa's dry weight with a wet weight difference of 32 lbs. The 'Busa carries more fuel and has fork oil the Beemer doesn't have. Neither are as heavy as the lightest Sportster model.
Yes, I get the difference in dry and wet weight and All I listed above were dry weights -2012 Hayabusa is 573# DRY. Always was a heavy bike for it's class, always. I believe this 2012 is the heaviest however. I remember the older models being just over 500# dry, still heavy for that class.
http://www.cyclecanadaweb.com/specifications/suzuki/sportbike/hayabusa/
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"Curb weight" means full fluids and fully fueled. That is the heaviest weight I have ever seen quoted for a Hayabusa, but I'll take it's true for the current year. It is heavier than previous 1300's. Still it's lighter than a Sportster Custom or XR-1200. Pretty sad commentary for Harley that an unfaired air cooled twin weighs more than something with full bodywork, liquid cooling, more displacement and more than twice the horsepower. Then there is the weight of our bikes .......... Tell me you wouldn't rather have your V-Rod weigh what a Hayabusa does.
THAT is what I meant by Harley wishing they had the engineering talent Suzuki has. And I don't particularly like the way Suzuki screws a bike together. Even sadder to me is that I know Harley does have some of that engineering talent. I had a nice long chat with the V-Rod platform manager and he just sighed and shrugged his shoulders telling me he could have knocked "100 lbs off the bike with my eyes closed" but Willie G. wouldn't let him. I couldn't imagine being an engineer in such an environment. I guess it pays the bills though it must be frustrating.
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Remember, the VRod was supposed to be a cross between a street bike and a cruiser. They wanted something with style, reminiscent of a street bike, but with the ability to comfortably cruise hundreds of miles.
Lighter bikes are great for toolin' around town, but get on the open road, where long trips mean changing weather, and relatively high winds can come into play -- suddenly that light weight becomes a detriment.
Just because they DIDN'T knock 100 lbs off the bike, doesn't mean that they COULDN'T. There may be a reason why kept that weight on. I know that in Kansas, a windless day... well, it just doesn't happen very often. After a typically-windy day, it's usually the street bikes that end up in the papers (after having been blown off the road), not the heavier cruisers. I, for one, am glad that they kept that weight on there. I get blown around enough as it is... I can't even imagine what it'd be like 100 lbs lighter.
Look, a bike isn't just HP/Torque. If that's all you want, then you're probably not after a Harley. These bikes are what they are. Could they have made a HD street bike? Sure. Should they have? I'd argue that that's what they had Buell for.
Lighter bikes are great for toolin' around town, but get on the open road, where long trips mean changing weather, and relatively high winds can come into play -- suddenly that light weight becomes a detriment.
Just because they DIDN'T knock 100 lbs off the bike, doesn't mean that they COULDN'T. There may be a reason why kept that weight on. I know that in Kansas, a windless day... well, it just doesn't happen very often. After a typically-windy day, it's usually the street bikes that end up in the papers (after having been blown off the road), not the heavier cruisers. I, for one, am glad that they kept that weight on there. I get blown around enough as it is... I can't even imagine what it'd be like 100 lbs lighter.
Look, a bike isn't just HP/Torque. If that's all you want, then you're probably not after a Harley. These bikes are what they are. Could they have made a HD street bike? Sure. Should they have? I'd argue that that's what they had Buell for.
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No, I disagree. I'v ridden Road Glides and Electra Glides, but the touring bike I'v had the last 27 years is a featherweight by comparison at only 550 lbs fully fueled. It's an early BMW K bike. Even still, at that low weight it has a more compliant ride than the two HD baggers, has larger luggage, a better seat, full fairing with leg protection and over 90 horses. It basically does everything a touring bike has to do better than Harley's best touring sled, but weighs 200-250 lbs less.
Where I live in the upper Mojave desert it is windy almost every day. Winds upwards of 30 mph with gusts to 50 mph. It's not a problem. The Beemer is 100 lbs lighter than my Street Rod but it's no more prone to being blown around than the Street Rod.
Once you take that big sled of a Harley bagger off the interstate, you will see why the lighter bike is so superior. Twisty roads and bad pavement don't slow me down. It'll do everything the big Road Glide will do out on the interstate, but once the road gets twisty I wave bye bye to the RG.
Torque? Spin the engine up. Rev it. Why is that so hard for people to deal with? Work is a force applied over a distance. Horsepower is a measure of work, torque times rpm divided by a constant, 5252. Horsepower is what moves the bike down the road. Spin the engine and the bike moves forward rapidly.
It's funny how things like BMW's, FJR-1300's and Kawasaki Concourses make fabulous touring bikes, revered all over the world for the power and refinement. All are high rpm engines. Only in American do riders stick stubbornly with these ancient and highly limited tractor motors when so much better is available, and for less money too.
Philthy, you make a humongous assumption here. There is no doubt that Harley has, has had and will continue to have great engineers, There can also be no doubt that they have access to and know full well any and all engineering out there, in use or on the way.
Whether or not they choose to use, whether or not they "need" be using it and whether or not it fits HD it is what you should be debating.
If Erik Buells time at HD and subsequently running Buell wasn't enough exposure to state of the art, suspension, lightweight frames, innovation ect., for Willie and HD than nothing ever will be.
HD makes cruisers. Bottom line. Some see the Weight as an advantage at speed/freeway and a moot point for most HD customers. Every true cruiser and tourer out there has weight issues. If the V was underpowered, those of you bitching might have a point, but that's not even close to the case.
The Busa forum is and always has been loaded with pissing and moaning about weight and in it's class 575#, dry or wet is a fockin' mortal sin.
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No, Harley pays Porsche engineers to do what their engineers cannot. Lets keep that bit straight. You don't see any of the big four Japanese manufacturers, Ducati, Aprilia or BMW running to Porsche for engineering talent. But Harley has no choice because their own engineer don't design new engines and gear boxes with the frequency of Porsches, and they don't spend money on advanced R&D, pushing the limits of material science the way the above mentioned motorcycle manufacturers do.
As for the V-Rod, 575 lbs and 194 horses vs 650 lbs and 125 horses. 30% less power and overweight. The crying shame is the platform manager for the V-Rod, Peter Keppler, could have done better, and knows it, but the bearded guy in the beret wouldn't let him. That is the inexcusable part.
"They build cruisers" is just an excuse, and a lame one at that, for lazy management too near sighted to see the value of good engineering.
Be serious. Once again, huge assumptions and more hearsay all across the board. Always with you. Porsche's involvement has now grown to such epic proportions that it's laughable. And just how would you know all these manufactures have never received outside help? When in fact they all steal from each other.
Philthy, there is no one on this board I like hearing from less than you. No, it's not because you like to spout weight/hp numbers, or opine that every bike and engineer in the world is better than those of Harley. It's because you sound like a total asshole. I'm sure that's the first time you've heard that, right? The OP posted here, on a Harley V-Rod forum, to inquire about which bike we thought was better, a V-Rod or a Diavel. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what our opinions would likely be, but it doesn't hurt to ask current owners of a vehicle about their experience with said vehicle.
Let me explain something to you that you seem to be unable to grasp up to this point. This is a Harley forum to support owners of Harley V-Rods. Anyone here could have afforded another bike if they so chose, and many of us do have other bikes, but we all chose our V-Rods because we like them for OUR reasons. As any thinking man might surmise, OUR reasons do not include the assumption that our bikes are the fastest, most modern motorcycle known to man. We like them for their unique looks, their performance, their reliability, their dealer network.
Coming here day after day with inflammatory comments does not benefit the community, it only supplies you with the negative attention you crave. Think about that for a moment. Do you really think your posts are meant to be friendly advice? When the OP asks about a Diavel or V-Rod do you think what they really wanted was to hear YOUR opinion on a BMW, Electra Glide, Road Glide, Concours, or a Hayabusa? What inner need does your posting here fulfill? Counseling may help you figure it out. That or a good asswhoopin to knock you off your high horse.
To answer the OP, we all prefer the V-Rod.
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Let me explain something to you that you seem to be unable to grasp up to this point. This is a Harley forum to support owners of Harley V-Rods. Anyone here could have afforded another bike if they so chose, and many of us do have other bikes, but we all chose our V-Rods because we like them for OUR reasons. As any thinking man might surmise, OUR reasons do not include the assumption that our bikes are the fastest, most modern motorcycle known to man. We like them for their unique looks, their performance, their reliability, their dealer network.
Coming here day after day with inflammatory comments does not benefit the community, it only supplies you with the negative attention you crave. Think about that for a moment. Do you really think your posts are meant to be friendly advice? When the OP asks about a Diavel or V-Rod do you think what they really wanted was to hear YOUR opinion on a BMW, Electra Glide, Road Glide, Concours, or a Hayabusa? What inner need does your posting here fulfill? Counseling may help you figure it out. That or a good asswhoopin to knock you off your high horse.
To answer the OP, we all prefer the V-Rod.
Daddie O you need some tolerance counseling.
Life would be pretty boring if we all thought the same.
And you got balls to tell a guy who has been here since 2007 what "the community" thinks and feels after being here only a month with a whopping 15 posts.
Seriously, get a grip.
It's only motorcycles.
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Life would be pretty boring if we all thought the same.
And you got balls to tell a guy who has been here since 2007 what "the community" thinks and feels after being here only a month with a whopping 15 posts.
Seriously, get a grip.
It's only motorcycles.
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DAMMIT I HAVE BEEN REPLACED AS #1!!!!! ( What is that Horrid thing on the front of that bike? I have less windshield on my SUV)Philthy, there is no one on this board I like hearing from less than you.
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