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Good to see British innovation, for a change, though at maybe $125,000 and having been described as aiming at 'rakish, trailblazing, eco-conscious millionaires' and coming with a helmet that interfaces with both your bike and your jacket it's hardly motorcycling (if you could ever call it that) for the masses. Think I'll be keeping my VROD :)

British company Arc have unveiled an all-new electric bike that could change the way we ride bikes forever. All the ride info comes through a heads-up display in the helmet, which also acts as the ignition key. Riding feedback comes through electronics in your jacket, which plays music through your body.
Arc’s founder, Mark Truman, was previously the head of Jaguar’s White Space (an out-of-the-box ideas division). There he made the first concept for an electric bike, which has become the Vector.
The engineer assembled a top team, including a MotoGP chief engineer, and FEA analysis specialists, to push the idea through to development stage and ultimately production. The project has been running for two years within this Whitespace department, with Arc Vehicle Ltd being established 18 months ago.
Re-shaping the electric bike landscape
Where the Arc Vector differs from other electric bikes we’ve seen is, well in pretty much everything. The whole thing is a monocoque with the battery, motor and all the internals housed in a carbon 'tub' that allows the front and rear suspension to be directly attached.
This not only allows it to be very stiff, it's also very light. Arc haven’t released any figures yet but they’re saying the Vector is 25% lighter than the nearest competition. Thanks to exclusive battery tech it has a claimed 30% more capacity.
"The cells we have are still prototypes," says Truman. "There is no other electric bike that will have the sort of cells we have."
A Human Machine Interface
Each Vector will be custom made and will come with a helmet and jacket that form part of the system. Although the bike has to have a speedo and some idiot lights, the bulk of the info is displayed in an HUD in the helmet.
Arc have also designed a haptic jacket which has a range of abilities from pumping through your favourite music to giving you a tap on the shoulder if there’s a car approaching from behind.
Arc will reveal the full details of the incredible-looking Vector, including the price, at the EICMA show next week.
The world's most premium electric motorcycle
Truman went on to say: "Technology, performance, safety and experience come together like never before on two wheels.
"The Vector is more than just the world's most premium electric motorcycle; it’s the world’s first motorcycle with integrated multisensory HMI (Human Machine Interface), it’s an innovative heads-up display helmet and it’s a tactile riding suit – all making up the most involving motorcycle experience on the market today."
A banana swing-arm
Meanwhile, perhaps surprisingly considering the front-end, the swingarm appears to be a far more conventional banana-shaped twin spar, also damped by a fully adjustable Öhlins monoshock.
The wheels look exceptionally familiar, too – appearing to be either BST carbon fibre five-spokes, or clones of them. The rear brake caliper appears to be a twin-piston unit acting on a single disc, while the meaty front anchors look like 330mm discs being gripped by small 4-piston calipers (probably Brembo’s new Stylema calipers), unconventionally attached at the 6 o’clock position.
Virtual reality headsets
The Vector promises to be one of the most innovative launches at this year’s Milan show, and there will be a virtual reality experience available for showgoers to immerse them in the riding experience.
 

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Very interesting thanks for posting.One day that will be a low tax base model while the S version will more than likely be an airborn spin off.Don't you just love the smell of hot solder!
 

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You Can't Handle the Truth ! ( Thanks, Jack Nicholson )

Something for the 1% ers - not the conventional bad A$$ biker 1% ers but the top 1 % of incomers of this planets elite - as you say " eco-conscious " millionaires, AKA the self righteous " I'm saving the planet from the evils of Global Warming caused by the very same coal, petroleum, natural gas, uranium and plutonium fuels used to charge my electric go fast (for a little while) electric batman toy and you better believe me or I'll spill my Latte' on you " crowd. Please do not get me wrong- all this high tech stuff is absolutely great, and will lead into no doubt great advances for M/C's but please just please give me the friggin' heads up display helmet - with an improved version of my Sena 10 system and I'll be so so happy ! Great luck to these guys, but it's kinda hard to blend a high speed electric only HMI M/C with an incredible music pumping, shoulder tapping suit with a bunch of idiot drivers in their mothers Ford Explorer updating their facebook while they shove a Donut down their throat all the while smoking a cigarette doing 45 Mph in the 60 Mph left lane with their left blinker on. At some point you just have to realize the average Human is just not able to be ready for super high tech high dollar space suit motorcycles, either to ride them or just to blend in daily traffic with them. Cool to admire the gadgetry though ! :blahblah: :D
 

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Yeah the gadgets are interesting in a sort of Jetsons way but not for me. I've just got an old 1971 mustang. Carb, still has points ignition, no frills, no nanny state electronics or safety devices, no airbags, no lane assist, no connectivity and no means of either tracking the car from satellites or taking control of it remotely - which I'm sure will happen at some point - 'for our own good'. Same with bikes, keep it relatively simple and straight forward and, as with an old classic car, do it with a bit of style :)
 

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You guys make me laugh,you buy a V Rod unwittingly or not because it sticks it to the antique squad yet the mention of one more step up the evolutionary ladder has you retreating to the safety of the flock.:rofl:Sure a V Rod was the right choice for you???
Spending 15% of a budget on a motorcycle earns the automatic title of some imaginary character trait too!!!Wonder what someone on a scooter budget describes a V Rod purchaser as, entitled beer spilling wanker maybe?
Embrace the future while you have one, it just might be better than the past, same as when you bought into the Revolution or have your nuts shrivelled to such a decomposed state where the risk of being wrong or right overrules the reason you ride.
 

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Willing to listen Tassie, what makes you think these kind of 'designed by programmers rather than engineers' 2 wheeled vehicles are better than the ones from yesteryear? What are the benefits, the advantages? BTW I'm not including the old air cooled stuff lol. Seems like, with electric cars, whilst they may well be deemed good cars no-one seems to mention that they are fun - and that's what motorbiking surely is principally about? And yes I count, mostly, the 30 odd years I commuted to work on one, in all weathers.
 

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Saw a description of the Tesla 3 the other day that made me laugh ... "futuristic tech infused 90s KIA" ...

Humorous, but on point ... the tech is amazing, but as a *CAR* it's not much to write home about.
 

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Willing to listen Tassie, what makes you think these kind of 'designed by programmers rather than engineers' 2 wheeled vehicles are better than the ones from yesteryear? What are the benefits, the advantages? BTW I'm not including the old air cooled stuff lol. Seems like, with electric cars, whilst they may well be deemed good cars no-one seems to mention that they are fun - and that's what motorbiking surely is principally about? And yes I count, mostly, the 30 odd years I commuted to work on one, in all weathers.
No 1 they are the best current solution to a looming crisis.I could stop there and that would be reason enough.
Don't get me wrong I love anything with an engine or wheels and like everyone else rabid greenie or couldn't give a f$#k type will continue to pollute because money comes before the planets health with the economic system we live by.That doesn't mean we give up and choke to death.Years to come we will look back and say what the hell was all the negativity about.
You seem to be glossing over any performance reports of ev's and like most deniers concentrate on the same tired old arguments of battery range,cost,charge times etc like it is impossible to improve on any of it if we need to.We all know that an electric motor can out torque any fossil burner,produce faster acceleration times,run quieter,pollute less,cost less to build etc etc.
Try riding the Arc Vector at its full capability then come back and say it isn't fun,let your mind consider the totally different feel and possibilities of what is a real revolution with untold possibilities for future advancements once they become mainstream and cheap as chips.
When I started on bikes in the 70's it felt daring dangerous and exhilarating and I've lost a few mates along the way because they pushed too hard,I think man if only he knew there was a truck coming around that bend or cornering abs might have given him the extra edge in that wet patch in the shade,I wish his bike had an alcotest start he might be with us now.All available now thanks to not giving up.
It's early days yet true believers know whats coming hell even HD are climbing aboard if you can't see this is the start of something big your not concentrating.
 

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Save the planet with more Coal charged electric toys. YEA, Right.

"No 1 they are the best current solution to a looming crisis.I could stop there and that would be reason enough."

You know me, yea, just stop there Tassie ! First off, we all know how cool and fast these electric bikes are but lets not let our lust for go fast batman rechargeables be self justified by saying they are going to save the planet. Ain't gonna happen. I've explained why two dozen times on this site. You really want to save the planet ? Reduce the Earth s population. Every Human that is not added to the population will prevent an entire lifetime of necessary pollution to keep them alive, warm, cool, fed, treating their waste ,having babies and flying to Australia to visit Tassie. Electric bikes will not do any of that, they just move pollution around, end of the discussion. High tech is great until it takes over control when it's not needed or wanted. Just give me the heads up display helmet with a real nice stereo, inflatable Michelin man crash suit with ejection system and my V Rod until the bugs are worked out and they sell the Hybrid version of these electric bikes. 125K ? Right. It's Friday night, time to go for a noisy, two up R Model blast, SRR out. :blahblah: :D
 

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Looming crisis? If by that you're referring to the so called global warming - now changed to climate change cos there really isn't any - then I would counter that the world has much more immediate concerns to worry about. How about the megalomanic ****wits in power, in the US, Russia, China, Middle east, North Korea. The rise and rise of religious fundamentalism. The continuation of dozens of wars around the world. Refugee crises. Financial crashes. Antibiotic resistance. The unprecedented risks of artificial intelligence getting away from human control. The pending population explosion especially in Africa. All of these are much more serious, in my view, than the uncertainties associated with climate.

However, this 'war' on CO2 is being managed by governments and big business to occupy the minds of the masses to deflect our attention from the real dangers that the world faces whilst presenting one idea that we can all rally around. And all on our dollar too.


Whatever though times move on and eventually we'll all have to roll with them, that's inevitable. Maybe, in the future, EV's will be as useful as the ICE but it's a long way off yet. How many countries actually have a plan for enough charging points for the millions of necessary vehicles? The UK has no such national plan, it's left to local authorities and private business to sort out. Then there's reliable electricity which renewables will always struggle to supply. And even if they could get close then the public will be at the mercy of the generating and distribution companies who will ramp up costs way more than inflation (as they've already done with domestic tariffs). Then there's battery life, replacement costs, recycling, pollution from producing the heavy metals needed for them, whole life vehicle emissions (which get conveniently overlooked) etc etc

One things for sure, it's going to be interesting to see how it all pans out - if we live long enough!
 

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Hasn't it always been like that though,struggles with one thing or another and despite it all look how far we've come.
We are the greatest force in the known universe with the ability to build or destroy.Currently we seek to build on our knowledge of the atmosphere and put steps in place to rectify some wrongs that were ok 100 years ago but not now,can't see what the problem is.
Every time this is discussed I can't help but get the feeling that it's more self interest than anything that drives the anti squad.Thats fine that's how we are programmed to operate,differing views eventually arriving at a compromise that's not ideal but workable for the interim.To me that is wasted effort I much prefer to chop off the offending limb and grow a new one.
Once the ball starts rolling on this new wealth direction setting up a few million charging points will be the least of the problems. All the tech is there it's just the transition phase while a few amputations take place holding it back as usual.
How's a lap round the moon on our space bikes sound, daring dangerous exhilarating enough for you,I'd love to find Elons Tesla orbiting Mars and tow it home for a laugh.I might kark it before it happens but I've been there in spirit.
 

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The Earth has been getting slowly warmer for thousands of years this cycle. There are no longer glaciers in the Great Lakes, and that's why they're not called the Great Glaciers. Many harbors and lakes do not freeze over anymore enough to support the weight of cars for ice fishing like they did less than 100 years ago. This natural cycle cannot be slowed or stopped by man unless we toss enough particulates into the atmosphere to reflect the sun like a number of natural volcanoes have in the past. ( the California wildfires are doing it right now ) Add everything that Screaming Andy said here.Tassie the thing that apparently cannot be crammed into your head is we are not the anti-squad as you say. I'm all for reducing pollution at every level. But CO2 is not the only or primary driver of Global Warming - it's nature. Even if all CO2 production by man were stopped, the Earth would still be in a warming cycle. Sorry. Again, even if everyone was riding and driving electric vehicles unless they were all 100% charged by solar, wind, tidal (renewable sources) there would be no real improvement in Global CO2 output as they are on the old dirty charging grid. Should we build a newer, clean renewable grid ? Yes, and we are. Should we reduce the massive uncontrolled pollution in Communist China because we are using them to manufacture all of our items cheaply so we can mark them up, resell them and make $ doing nothing ? Yes, and our "Meglomaniac" (as he may be referred to ) U.S. President is doing just that with tariffs on Chinese goods, now to be made in America again in a cleaner EPA controlled environment. Amazing. Not a dimwit when you look into it. And I'm optimistic things are getting better, but a real massive overpopulation of Earth will not be fixed by everyone riding Electric vehicles. Like SA said we've got much bigger problems to address, and maybe we should fix them on our way to riding space bikes to the moon but that does sound fun ! If I can jump a dirt bike 85+ feet here on Earth probably get 300+ on the moon. 4 full 360's, 5 Supermans, 10 Nac-Nac's but not in my lifetime I'm afraid. :banghead: So for now, V RODS RULE !! :blahblah: :D
 

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The Earth has been getting slowly warmer for thousands of years this cycle. There are no longer glaciers in the Great Lakes, and that's why they're not called the Great Glaciers. Many harbors and lakes do not freeze over anymore enough to support the weight of cars for ice fishing like they did less than 100 years ago. This natural cycle cannot be slowed or stopped by man unless we toss enough particulates into the atmosphere to reflect the sun like a number of natural volcanoes have in the past. ( the California wildfires are doing it right now ) Add everything that Screaming Andy said here.Tassie the thing that apparently cannot be crammed into your head is we are not the anti-squad as you say. I'm all for reducing pollution at every level. But CO2 is not the only or primary driver of Global Warming - it's nature. Even if all CO2 production by man were stopped, the Earth would still be in a warming cycle. Sorry. Again, even if everyone was riding and driving electric vehicles unless they were all 100% charged by solar, wind, tidal (renewable sources) there would be no real improvement in Global CO2 output as they are on the old dirty charging grid. Should we build a newer, clean renewable grid ? Yes, and we are. Should we reduce the massive uncontrolled pollution in Communist China because we are using them to manufacture all of our items cheaply so we can mark them up, resell them and make $ doing nothing ? Yes, and our "Meglomaniac" (as he may be referred to ) U.S. President is doing just that with tariffs on Chinese goods, now to be made in America again in a cleaner EPA controlled environment. Amazing. Not a dimwit when you look into it. And I'm optimistic things are getting better, but a real massive overpopulation of Earth will not be fixed by everyone riding Electric vehicles. Like SA said we've got much bigger problems to address, and maybe we should fix them on our way to riding space bikes to the moon but that does sound fun ! If I can jump a dirt bike 85+ feet here on Earth probably get 300+ on the moon. 4 full 360's, 5 Supermans, 10 Nac-Nac's but not in my lifetime I'm afraid. :banghead: So for now, V RODS RULE !! :blahblah: :D
Scientists can be bought by oil companys to produce whatever report suits their needs.Best way around it is to put your money where your mouth is and support the solar industry.We can organise an intervention for you if you like,get twintokes to do a t shirt, the whole nine yards,don't like seeing you this way buddy:grouphug
 

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That's a very common accusation about oil companies buying off some scientists. I get that argument. However turn it on its head. How many so called scientists are now involved in the whole climate change arena? Hundreds of thousands across the globe I'd imagine one way or another. Research grants adding up to hundreds of millions of dollars? It is obviously in their own self interest to talk up any degree of risk associated with man made contribution to climate change as that way they get to keep their jobs on the back of it. Think about it.
 

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That's a very common accusation about oil companies buying off some scientists. I get that argument. However turn it on its head. How many so called scientists are now involved in the whole climate change arena? Hundreds of thousands across the globe I'd imagine one way or another. Research grants adding up to hundreds of millions of dollars? It is obviously in their own self interest to talk up any degree of risk associated with man made contribution to climate change as that way they get to keep their jobs on the back of it. Think about it.
Which brings me back to my previous point about compromise but how we get it right in the long run albeit watered down or late to the party.Gov here are in the pocket of the coal co's so state govs without coal side with wind generators or buy Tesla battery farms.
Who would you rather trust scientists,politicians or oil exec's?
It's all finite so decisions made just need to get on with it but you will probably tell me there's 20 million years worth of oil hidden under Antarctica according to BP and the cheapest way to it is to melt the ice.
 

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Resource wise there's at least twice what is generally listed as reserves, it's just not economic to recover unless the price gets high enough. But no I'm not advocating melting Antarctica on the off chance. Yes indeed balance, as with just about everything else in life, is where it is needed to be. There is no one size fits all scenario, not that it seems to stop the, generally more privileged, from believing otherwise. There should be choice not coercion which is what is happening.

Everyone has an angle. My background is/was science so I've always steered towards scientific approaches. However this whole climate change debacle runs entirely counter to this. The remit of the IPCC, for example, is not to determine the causes of possible global warming. It's simple to attribute ALL of it from mankind AND then to find the 'evidence' to back up this view. Question us? Nope, can't do that, it's all settled science. Since when was science ever settled? It's such a nonsense.

I'm all for a clean and green world and would whole heatedly support proper and rationale steps to keep it that way. Getting rid of single use plastics & packaging. Sourcing food locally. Renewable energies. Reducing your environmental footprint. I simple don't believe that co2 is the root cause of all the planets evils and must be curtailed - at any cost.


As for replacing the ICE then personally I believe the move should be to hydrogen power and not batteries. As easy to use as petrol/diesel. Could put a pump in every gas station as now. No recharging nonsense. No range anxiety. No need to try and put an electric charging point on every street light (for those who don't have a drive to park their car on) or car park or place of work. If only there was similar investment to battery power but then there is no-one like Musk championing the cause. Such a waste.
 

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Hybrid battery orgasmic news for streetrodracer

Breakthroughs like this https://newatlas.com/nawa-technologies-carbon-ultra-capacitor/54972/are underway all over and it's only just beginning. I have zero range anxiety going forward.All the hanger oners can flap their gums while the doers fix the problem it's not rocket science what needs to happen.
 

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Well something like this may well be an answer, perhaps offering a very viable, practical, useable alternative. Wouldn't, of course, appeal on the emotive level but another choice that may be worth considering is always a good thing.
 

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It's the best way to deal with the bs specialists that get involved in any debate.
When the flag drops the bs stops.Everyone's too busy trying to out tech each other to worry about whether they'll be pushing the bike the last 100 miles to grandma's,but…………. will it make it to the moon and back?
 
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