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Cycle World - NightRod vs. M109 vs. Victory Hammer

If anyone is interested Cycle World ran an article last year (Feb 2007) comparing the NightRod Special vs. M109 vs. Victory Hammer for their favorite power cruiser, they picked the NightRod Special.

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VRod has substantially less torque but revs higher while the M109 has substantially more torque, read displacement, and will pull from just about any r.p.m.s , the M109 has about 7 more bhp but weighs 60lbs more than the VRod. The M109 will outlaunch the VRod and, I'm betting, will run a higher top end; depending on the rider ~ the VRod can probably more than hold it's own everywhere inbetween.
 
My 1/4 mile ET is close to 4 tenths of a second lower than most other V-Rodders like me that make about 10 passes a year.
I think a good comparison would be for me to make a few passes on a 109.

The people I know that own M109's are couples,and don't have any intention of drag racing them.There's a new 109er at the local hangout that has his done up w a lot of nice billet parts and pieces,along with black paint.It's lowered and has a fatter than stock rear tire.It definitely looks a hell of a lot better than any I've seen.I'll get some pics the next time I see it.



Elrod on the V-Rod
 
If I had one I wouldn't race it ~ with a 7,500 r.p.m. red line it just wasn't designed to race 1/4 miles ~ and I think, with it's torque and horsepower mix, it really personifies a power cruiser.
 
Has anyone on here ridden an m109r? I had one come in the other day on a trade so I took it out for a 15 minute whipping. I am sorry to anyone who own's one to be honest. Forget the speed, the shifting is HORRIBLE. The thing feels like it is going to fall appart on any shift whether up or down. It is also stupid heavy with this space ship looking gas tank on the top & the controls are stupid. The stock brake pedal is like an inch from the peg. The torque is nice but it redlines way to quick as the gearing is much like an 18 wheeler. I have owned a few bikes & ridden tons; I would never get on another one of these ever even if they paid me to do it.
 
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VRod has substantially less torque but revs higher while the M109 has substantially more torque, read displacement, and will pull from just about any r.p.m.s , the M109 has about 7 more bhp but weighs 60lbs more than the VRod. The M109 will outlaunch the VRod and, I'm betting, will run a higher top end; depending on the rider ~ the VRod can probably more than hold it's own everywhere inbetween.
Launch your V-Rod at 8K and WOT and see if he can keep up. The V-Rod is designed like a drag bike and has the clutch to handle high RPM launches. It will launch with the 109 all day. It also will top out at 140-145 MPH max, about 110-120 top speed in the 1/4.
Both riders being equal, it'd be a damn near even race IMHO, but all the write ups I've read had the V-Rod edging out the 109 in their track testing.
A better test would be to park them both next to each other and see how many people stop to look at the V-Rod Vs. the 109. Or a study of how many 109 owners "settled" for a 109 instead of getting a V-Rod.
 
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On paper they are so close it comes down to rider IMHO. I still for the life of me can't figure out why people compare these two bikes, to me they are different bikes completely. I wonder how many 02 109's with 70+k miles are floating around that still look like new?
Because every a$$hole on an M109, whoriar, Bullyvard or whatever Harley wanna-be they got stuck buying needs to justify it by claiming superiority. There is a warrior running around here that "snipes" every Harley he see's, he typically comes from behind, catches up, hammers it, blows by and (in his mind) claims a victory. Sniping is most common on freeways here but this nut will do it in a parking lot! LOL!
 
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A good buddy of mine is running a 109. It is definitely comparing apples to oranges. No point it making the comparison.
There is a point here, the M109 is direct competition, designed and built to compete with Harley's best. A monster of a motor with a piss-poor HP to CC ratio that all owners claim can whip a V. So bring it. But will all of that big-a$$ motor going for it, it still will be decided by a perfect pass. Imagine an 1800cc Revo that maintained it's incredible HP to CC ratio! I doubt it would maintain but if it did- 170 -180HP. Now that's "Muscle"!
 
I love my 109(click on link below!) and I love the V-Rod the Wife has.If the 109 had the silky smooth transmission of the V,I think it would be the perfect bike....to me.They both are quick and good looking and we both get miles and miles of enjoyment out of them!
 
They are what they are.

I agree with Max, comparing apples to oranges. Its the same as comparing the V Rod with sport bikes.

The V Rod, and others, are what they are. Different strokes for different folks...

If everyone had the exact same taste, wouldn't it be a boring world. 1 bike for all, 1 restaurant, ...

Oh, the "race" would come down to the rider.

Torinate
You're right, if this was a one size fits all world it would be boring. What you would find out though is that someone would modify their bike so it would become different from all the others and then the race for more horsepower and less weight would be on big time. Just like some members of this forum have done by adding turbos and nitrous kits to their bikes. Ultimately it doen't matter what you ride so long as you ride what you like.
 
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VRod has substantially less torque but revs higher while the M109 has substantially more torque, read displacement, and will pull from just about any r.p.m.s , the M109 has about 7 more bhp but weighs 60lbs more than the VRod. The M109 will outlaunch the VRod and, I'm betting, will run a higher top end; depending on the rider ~ the VRod can probably more than hold it's own everywhere inbetween.
There have been numerous quotes from magazine road tests posted here on the forum and everyone of them show the V rod with a better top speed. My personal experience with M109 is they lack big end power and top speed compared to the V rod.
 
There have been numerous quotes from magazine road tests posted here on the forum and everyone of them show the V rod with a better top speed. My personal experience with M109 is they lack big end power and top speed compared to the V rod.
I own a 109 and my Dad owns a v-rod which I have ridden several times. As far as top speed goes, Suzuki limits the top end and you can buy a fifty dollar part that can take the limiter off. I have had mine up to 150. I would say that is plenty top end.

Here is an article popular mechanics posted about the two bikes. They actually compared a lot more bikes, but these are the two in question. Looks like the 109 by .4 seconds and this was all done by a professional test rider at 2800 ft. above sea level. I am sure you can find other articles that give different times. This is just what I found. I do commend HD for doing it with a smaller engine, no doubt a lot of engineering went into the V. It is a great bike.

Suzuki Boulevard M109
Price: $12,599 Engine: 1783cc, liquid-cooled, 54-degree V-twin Compression ratio: 10.5:1 Valvetrain: DOHC, 4 valves per cylinder Fuel System: EFI Transmission: 5M Final Drive: Shaft Suspension F/R: 46mm inverted forks/single shock, preload adjustable Suspension Travel F/R: 5.12 in./4.66 in. Brakes F/R:Dual 310mm discs/275mm disc Tires F/R: 130/70-R18/240/40-R18 Wheelbase: 67.3 in. Seat Height: 27.8 in. Dry Weight: 703 lb.


The M109R is the newest member of this club. And Suzuki has done its homework: The M109R was the second quickest bike at the track, pounding out a blistering 12.08-second quarter-mile at 110.53 mph, or nearly a half-second quicker than the next quickest bike. And more important, the Suzuki had the quickest 0-to-30-mph time of all the bikes here. The accolades belong to Suzuki’s engine designers. The all-new engine is an animal. It thrusts the bike forward with so much power, we needed to gather our thoughts before deciding to crack that throttle wide open. And it’s not a bad idea to practice First-to-Second shifts: The Suzuki’s otherwise smooth gearbox is notchy in the lower gears. Though the Suzuki feels large, this bad boy likes to corner. Blessed with big brakes and an inverted front fork, the M109R can be throttled up to hyperspeed and brought down below the legal limit in a very short distance. It’s incredible to ride hard on twisty roads—just point, shoot and reel in that sportbike rider. In fact, the more we rode this bike, the more we wanted one in our own garage. The only thing holding us back is the fussy, “Jetsons” styling and inexpensive-looking plastic bodywork. We’d like actual metal—and better-quality chrome, too. Still, the M109R exemplifies the modern power cruiser.
Track Times
0-30 mph 0-60 mph 40-70 mph 1/4-mile
1.53 sec. 3.89 sec. 2.52 sec. 12.08 sec. @ 110.53mph

07Night Rod

Price: $16,495 Engine: 1130cc, liquid-cooled, 60-degree V-twin Compression ratio: 11.3:1 Valvetrain: SOHC, 4 valves per cylinder Fuel System: EFI Transmission: 5M Final Drive: Belt Suspension F/R: 49mm forks/dual shocks, preload adjustable Suspension Travel F/R: 4.0 in./2.9 in. Brakes F/R: Dual 300mm discs/300mm disc Tires F/R: 120/70-ZR19/240/40-R18 Wheelbase: 67.2 Seat Height: 26.3 in Dry Weight: 643 lb.


The Night Rod is the rock star of this group. It’s mean and menacing and it made us feel cool just standing next to it. Its intoxicatingly techy baritone V-twin growl and seamless acceleration curve come courtesy of engine design help from Porsche. The Night Rod was the third quickest bike at the dragstrip. Even though Harley is known for low-tech, comfy cruisers, the Night Rod has a sophisticated powerplant bolted to a rather uncomfortable chassis. The riding position requires arms stretched forward, a bit like doing a lat-pull exercise at the gym. That makes the Night Rod the most difficult bike to corner at slow speeds, so this is not our favorite bike for a long-distance cruise or a trip through the canyons. But more than one buyer is willing to make the compromise. Because, wherever the Night Rod shows up, people just stare. This Harley is the second most expensive bike here. That money brings near custom- quality construction, the inimitable Harley-Davidson cachet and a bike that’s as much fun to look at as it is to ride.
Track Times
0-30 mph 0-60 mph 40-70 mph 1/4-mile
1.86 sec. 4.26 sec. 2.78 sec. 12.47 sec. @ 108.86 mph
 
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