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Old 10-11-2003, 10:55 PM   #1
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Which one should i use?

I know this is very subjective but i want to hear your thoughts on which way i should go to make some more power. I have an 02 with V-Modded Se slip ons, with the SE air fliter and the flash that comes with getting the SE slip on's. I have a 28T pulley, running topless and am looking for more ponies.

Ive read about the PCIII, Race Tuner and a little about the Techlusion TFI BOX . Some questions are........how hard is it to use each one of these? Installation.....easy hard??? Do i need to have it dyno right after installing ? I know very little about any one of them and have hesitated becasue of that but it is now time for me to learn! I see that John is getting 117hp and that looks good. Im curious how much you got from adding the PCIII. Im currently getting 109.3. Is it likely to get another 8 or so HP just from tuning from any of the above choices.

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Old 10-12-2003, 11:32 AM   #2
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Since the ONLY way you are going to get that last few HP out of your bike is to dyno tune it you should use the Race Tuner. The only reason to get the PCIII would be to take advantage of maps that have already been done for combinations that are radically different from the Harley SE Combos. Your setup is very close to the SE setup, that's why you are getting 109.3 already. Using the Race Tuner will allow you to adjust for the 28T pulley, maintain good driveability, make maximum HP and still get reasonable fuel economy. A properly tuned V-Rod in your configuration should get between 37 - 40 MPG (depending upon riding style) and make 115 - 118 HP.

The only down side, there aren't as many techs up to speed on the RT as there are on the PCIII (at least that seems to be the consensus, my experience has been that if they are good on the V-Rod then they prefer the RT).

Oh, I almost forgot, you asked about easy...... If it was easy then you would have a lot of 115+ HP V-Rods out there. None of the fine tuning is easy with any of these products. The level of ease is also relative to your technical skills. For me the RT is easy, for many it's beyond them.
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Old 10-12-2003, 12:19 PM   #3
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I guess i should ask who makes the Race Tuner? AND how exactly does this work copaired to the others?

Also ............ what other way is there to make HP without using the above mentioned products. (while keeping the motor general stock form)
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Old 10-12-2003, 12:27 PM   #4
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CW-VRod, the race tuner is genuine HD. That is why it can be a very powerful tool. It does not have to fool the control module it can actually re-program the module with new data.


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Old 10-30-2003, 10:19 AM   #6
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Just read this thread ...........

I have an '4 VRSCB with V-Mod SE slip ons, K&N filter and the HD race tuner. I get 107.9 rwhp and 73.4 rwtq according to the dyno at dealer where I purchased the bike. After reading this thread, it's obivous my tech is lacking either in knowledge or the correct attitude.
I do have the abilty to understand the race tuner software (I've been an IT manager for some time now) and plan on becoming my own 'expert' this winter.

I'm glad I found this thread. You guys are wealth of information.

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Old 10-30-2003, 11:06 AM   #7
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All,
Go here to read the excellent "sticky" from Mark on the "verbology" of the EFI system and those products that can influence the fuel injection system. I will copy the sticky over to this forum as well as it is an excellent high performance reference!

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Old 10-30-2003, 09:37 PM   #8
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I don't like my pcIIIr.Going to get race tuner over the winter.More tuning can be done w/the tuner.
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Old 11-04-2003, 11:31 AM   #9
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I am pretty sure that the boys at my HD dealer dont have much experience with the V-rod and the Race Tuner!! Is there anyway you can relay settings over the web and we can just use them?? I really dont understand what is involved with the Race Tuner but if that is possible I would be all over that!! Dyno Days are coming up and I want to lay down some sweet numbers!! So far I have the V-mod mufflers in a box......My bike is at RMDBillet so I havent been able to work on it. What else should I be looking at for performance items?? Are there any HD's that I should be worrying about that might put more ponies then me?? I dont know what kind of #'s 1550's put down??
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Old 11-04-2003, 12:19 PM   #10
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Bartels,
I ran against a friend of mine that has a new '03 ElectraGlide standard that has 103" kit, ThunderCones and various other trick stuff. He is the type of person that has to have the throttle twisted to the max ALL the time. It's amazing he is still alive. Anyway, I smoked him with my V-Rod. Standing still or from a roll, he didn't have a prayer. He came running to me at a gas station (go figure?) and he said he couldn't believe how quick my bike was. I really did feel good about that. He couldn't believe how close to stock I was with just V-Modded pipes, SE air cleaner and the race tuner software. I think the real trick is that this bike was dialed in on a dyno. I'm so happy!!!
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Old 11-04-2003, 12:39 PM   #11
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Does anyone know where a good dealer (close to Sioux Falls, South Dakota) that would be able to help my dyno my bike and get it tuned in with the Race Tuner??
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Old 11-04-2003, 03:41 PM   #12
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try J&L harley right in souix falls they might be able to help, where abouts in the dakotas u at i lived in souix foo for a while:icon_mrgr or you could drive the extra 3 or so hours to Fargo Hd i know they can help you
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Old 11-04-2003, 03:46 PM   #13
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J&L is where I bought my bike. After talking to the Parts guys about the race tuner and the performance side..... I am not in that big of a hurry to let them mess around on the dyno with it! Maybe I should talk to the service side before I totally rule them out???
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The 'virtual girls' are awesome! Especially the brunette!!!! Momma!
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Old 11-05-2003, 10:23 AM   #15
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I have the RT in a box pending in tank pump replacement at dealer. Still the question remains are there any posts where you can get different calibrations for the RT. I will not have V-Mods. TurboTecs, D+D, or maybe Supertrapp. Are there better starting points than software provided in the CD.
If I sound ignorant maybe it is because I am about 1/3 through the RT manual. I need the most info possible since for the time being I don't have a reliable tuner I can trust.
RT seems easy on paper (.pdf I should say) but it may become difficult in practice, I think.
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