2003 VROD - Slipper Clutch Install - 1130cc.com: The #1 Harley Davidson V-Rod Forum
» Sponsors
Go Back   1130cc.com: The #1 Harley Davidson V-Rod Forum > V-ROD Discussions > V-ROD Mechanical
New User? Register - Forgot Password

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-09-2016, 06:00 PM   #1
javsst
Lifetime Premium
 
javsst's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Central New Jersey
Posts: 246
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
2003 VROD - Slipper Clutch Install

Guys -

I have the new slipper clutch ready to be tightened on.

Also, I managed to find the time to start welding the tool together to
hold the clutch from moving while I torque down the lock nut.

Question -

I need to rotate the clutch counter clockwise to make sure the prongs holding the clutch are setup so that I can mark out where the bracket that will bolt to the rear arm can be welded on.

Ok to rotate counter clockwise?

Thanks!

Steve
javsst is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 06-09-2016, 07:42 PM   #2
JustDennis
Registered Full
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 53
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
What is the slipper clutch part#? Think I may add to my 2005 vrscse. Will be interested in your experience


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Ride Safe,
JustDennis
2005 VRSCSE, 2010 FLHXSE
JustDennis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2016, 09:12 PM   #3
javsst
Lifetime Premium
 
javsst's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Central New Jersey
Posts: 246
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
I picked it up at the dealer when they had a 20% off on parts sale.

If you go on the HD website and look under your year, it's in the Screaming Eagle section.

For my 2003 it's: Part Number 37938-08KA

Steve
javsst is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Old 06-10-2016, 05:37 AM   #4
Z16monte
Registered Full
 
Z16monte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Newark DE
Posts: 2,923
Images: 37
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
I don't have my book in front of me but there is 1 direction you should not rotate the motor, Can't remember which. So as long as you don't rotate the motor backwards you should be OK>.
__________________
Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
Z16monte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 07:00 AM   #5
JustDennis
Registered Full
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 53
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by javsst View Post
I picked it up at the dealer when they had a 20% off on parts sale.

If you go on the HD website and look under your year, it's in the Screaming Eagle section.

For my 2003 it's: Part Number 37938-08KA

Steve
Thanks. I checked and it's the same for mine. Looks like I'll need the 2008 or later clutch instructions from the later service manual.
__________________
Ride Safe,
JustDennis
2005 VRSCSE, 2010 FLHXSE
JustDennis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 09:40 AM   #6
Bruce Helland
Registered Full
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Montana
Posts: 605
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Slipper clutch will fit all model years. You don't really need the clutch holding tool to remove and install. Put the bike in gear and hold the rear brake and use an air or electric impact gun on the hub nut. I admire your desire to make/modify your own holding tool though. If you want to rotate the engine and are unsure of the proper direction heres a trick. Shift the transmission to 5th gear and 'bump' the bike forward. If its on a stand just rotate the wheel as if it was traveling down the road.
Bruce Helland is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 10:32 AM   #7
javsst
Lifetime Premium
 
javsst's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Central New Jersey
Posts: 246
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Helland View Post
Slipper clutch will fit all model years. You don't really need the clutch holding tool to remove and install. Put the bike in gear and hold the rear brake and use an air or electric impact gun on the hub nut. I admire your desire to make/modify your own holding tool though. If you want to rotate the engine and are unsure of the proper direction heres a trick. Shift the transmission to 5th gear and 'bump' the bike forward. If its on a stand just rotate the wheel as if it was traveling down the road.
Perfect! Thanks. Now I can finish the install.

I'm doing this by myself and want to make sure I don't rotate the assembly as I torque down the locknut.

Steve
javsst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2016, 10:26 AM   #8
TaxmanHog
Noel
 
TaxmanHog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Attleboro Mass.
Posts: 4,539
Images: 277
Garage
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by javsst View Post
Guys -

Question -

I need to rotate the clutch counter clockwise to make sure the prongs holding the clutch are setup so that I can mark out where the bracket that will bolt to the rear arm can be welded on.

Ok to rotate counter clockwise?

Thanks!

Steve
Yes, this is safe, as the clutch basket spins counter clockwise it's spinning the crank clockwise when viewed from the right side.

The warnings you see in the forum or the service manual refer to the safe rotations as viewed from the LEFT side of the crank being COUNTER CLOCKWISE (viewed from the left side)

IMHO, having the tool that holds the basket stationary provides a sense of confidence that improper rotation will not happen when you're tightening the clutch nut.

As pointed out above it's possible to prevent counter rotation with tranny in gear and foot on the rear brake, just need a buddy or Ol'lady to stand on it while your tightening the nut.

Having just finished an engine build, I used the leverage of a breaker bar on the crank while having my heaviest set of clutch springs and lifter plate installed, I had enough resistance to torque to spec, but I did this before mounting the heads or stringing the cam chains so I had zero risk of jumping a tooth or braking a chain guide.

Good luck, BTW if you fab up one, and like it, make two and I'll buy the second one off you!
__________________
2019 Street Glide Special
2012 Kawasaki Ninja ZX14R
2006 VRXSE Destroyer
60: 1.393
ET: 9.661
Mph: 139.34


Check Your Grounds
TaxmanHog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2016, 12:04 PM   #9
javsst
Lifetime Premium
 
javsst's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Central New Jersey
Posts: 246
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
I just need to finish the "handle" to bolt the tool to the swingarm and I can torque down the locknut.

I'm not sure that I'm going to use red loc-tite on it, the cordless impact didn't have any issue with spinning it off and I didn't see any residue on the threads, but I'll at least put blue loc-tite on there.

Whether I trust the tool completely is another story

I'll put it in gear and also use the rear brake to be safe. I'm not the greatest welder, and it's been years since I've used it. The welds are holding the prongs pretty well, but the 120V welder I have didn't heat through all the way on the 1/8" tube for the prongs.

Thanks!

Steve
javsst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2018, 11:01 AM   #10
hedgehanter
Registered Full
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 22
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
When I was taking the nut off I had the impact gun on tightening the nut, and noticed that the clutch moved a little bit clockwise, is there a way to check if everything is ok still, or only when on the road (what is the effect anyway if the engine rotates)? She was in first gear and rear brake was on when that happened.
hedgehanter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2018, 11:39 AM   #11
rbabos
Registered Full
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Woodstock Ontario Canada
Posts: 3,548
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by hedgehanter View Post
When I was taking the nut off I had the impact gun on tightening the nut, and noticed that the clutch moved a little bit clockwise, is there a way to check if everything is ok still, or only when on the road (what is the effect anyway if the engine rotates)? She was in first gear and rear brake was on when that happened.
If the secondary chain tensioners are good in adjustment, it should be fine. Just about every time one turns these engines off, they slightly rotate the wrong direction any way. 45-90*, I wouldn't break a sweat over that. Keep rotating it, it could jump cam timing on the cyl not on compression stroke as it would have the valves under cam pressure.
Ron
rbabos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2018, 01:31 PM   #12
hedgehanter
Registered Full
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 22
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by rbabos View Post
If the secondary chain tensioners are good in adjustment, it should be fine. Just about every time one turns these engines off, they slightly rotate the wrong direction any way. 45-90*, I wouldn't break a sweat over that. Keep rotating it, it could jump cam timing on the cyl not on compression stroke as it would have the valves under cam pressure.
Ron
Secondary chain tension-er adjustment check? I cant rotate it at all it is so tight..
hedgehanter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2018, 10:29 AM   #13
hedgehanter
Registered Full
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 22
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by rbabos View Post
If the secondary chain tensioners are good in adjustment, it should be fine. Just about every time one turns these engines off, they slightly rotate the wrong direction any way. 45-90*, I wouldn't break a sweat over that. Keep rotating it, it could jump cam timing on the cyl not on compression stroke as it would have the valves under cam pressure.
Ron
Ron,

How do you check the secondary chain adjustment? It is a bit Chinese to me yet..
hedgehanter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2018, 03:04 PM   #14
TaxmanHog
Noel
 
TaxmanHog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Attleboro Mass.
Posts: 4,539
Images: 277
Garage
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by hedgehanter View Post
Secondary chain tension-er adjustment check? I cant rotate it at all it is so tight..
Quote:
Originally Posted by hedgehanter View Post
Ron,

How do you check the secondary chain adjustment? It is a bit Chinese to me yet..
The Secondary cam chain adjusters are within the two CAPS located on the rear/left side of each head which I hope you know need to be unscrewed from the head following a meticulous procedure noted in the service manual. You also need to use an HD tool to gauge the amount of chain slack, then according the tools readout, adjust the number of SHIMS inside the cap under the hydraulic adjuster also seated in the cap.
__________________
2019 Street Glide Special
2012 Kawasaki Ninja ZX14R
2006 VRXSE Destroyer
60: 1.393
ET: 9.661
Mph: 139.34


Check Your Grounds
TaxmanHog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2018, 09:50 AM   #15
hedgehanter
Registered Full
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 22
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by TaxmanHog View Post
The Secondary cam chain adjusters are withing the two CAPS located on the rear/left side of each head which I hope you know need to be unscrewed from the head following a meticulous procedure noted in the service manual. You also need to use an HD tool to gauge the amount of chain slack, then according the tools readout, adjust the number of SHIMS inside the cap under the hydraulic adjuster also seated in the cap.
I know those CAPS, although cannot see anything related to removing them in the service manual. I can see the adjustment marks and dots in the manual for the top end though so I suppose there is the secondary cam chain, since the primary chain is in the bottom.
Sorry for being a tick-head I have no experience with the engine parts of the bike.
hedgehanter is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:14 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Motorcycle News, Videos and Reviews
Honda Grom Forum strong>Kawasaki Z125 Forum Harley Davidson Forum Honda 600RR Forum Kawasaki Forum Yamaha R6 Forum Yamaha FZ-09 Forum
1199 Panigale Forum Honda Africa Twin Forum Roadglide Forum Honda CBR1000 Forum Vulcan Forum Yamaha R1 Forum Yamaha R3 Forum
Ducati Monster Forum Harley Forums Honda CBR250R Forum ZX10R Forum Star Raider Forum Yamaha Viking Forum
Suzuki GSXR Forum V-Rod Forums Honda Shadow Forum Kawasaki Motorcycle Forum Star Warrior Forum KTM Duke 390 Forum
SV650 Forum BMW S1000RR Forum Honda Fury Forum Kawasaki Versys Forum Drag Racing Forum Ducati 899 Panigale Forum Ducati 959 Panigale Forum
Suzuki V-Strom BMW K1600 Triumph Forum Victory Forums Sportbikes BMW NineT Forum
Volusia Forum BMW F800 Forum Triumph 675 Forum MV Agusta Forum HD Street Forum Suzuki GW250 Forum
Yamaha Motorcycles Victory Gunner Forum Victory Charger Forum Honda Vultus Forum HD LiveWire Forum Ninja H2 Forum
BMW Scrambler Forum Ducati Scrambler Forum Kawasaki Ninja 250SL Forum