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Old 08-20-2009, 09:58 PM   #16
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I read the amsoil article and became confused. It states that there is a separate sump for the transmission and the clutch. The owners manual specifically states that the oil in the sump is used for the engine, transmission, primary, and clutch. What's the right answer? I probably wouldn't have said anything, but the article specifically stated v-rod.
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Old 08-20-2009, 11:03 PM   #17
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I'm not starting a fight and I know there will be people to agrue this and it will never change my mind but all my bikes including my honda 929, 3 yfz 450's (2 o4 models and a newer 09), kids honda 90, honda pilot, and vrod with 10,008 miles today all have had only castrol GTX with absolutely no tranny or clutch issues in any of them.

I will also state that if I knew better I would just buy the stuff thats double the money but I cannot buy something like that when I have no reason. I'm sure there is valid points and I'm sure it does some good but I have no issues with wet clutches with this oil. Not trying to argue just adding to the topic my personal experiences over the last 15 years with GTX product.
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Old 08-21-2009, 11:11 AM   #18
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I'm not starting a fight and I know there will be people to agrue this and it will never change my mind but all my bikes including my honda 929, 3 yfz 450's (2 o4 models and a newer 09), kids honda 90, honda pilot, and vrod with 10,008 miles today all have had only castrol GTX with absolutely no tranny or clutch issues in any of them.

I will also state that if I knew better I would just buy the stuff thats double the money but I cannot buy something like that when I have no reason. I'm sure there is valid points and I'm sure it does some good but I have no issues with wet clutches with this oil. Not trying to argue just adding to the topic my personal experiences over the last 15 years with GTX product.
Have a question. Are you using 20W-50 by chance? Also, I called up castrol and there is not a friction rating and they do not recommend it for motorcycles since it only has an automobile rating. Is there a reason your not using the motorcycle castrol, or do you just prefer GTX. I ask because I have a case of 20W-50 GTX that has been sitting on my shelf and I am contemplating using it on a 64 panhead instead of wasting money on the screamin eagle brand. HD will not endorse any other oil if you call them.
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Old 08-21-2009, 11:22 AM   #19
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They will not tell you you can use it, as it does not have the "rating" for it, so there hands are tied. I run the 20w-50 in the HD and 929, run 10w-40 in the 450's quads (dune ridding where its hot) and 10w-30 in the cars.
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Old 08-21-2009, 11:52 AM   #20
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My thoughts were really, how advanced was the oil in 64. I just wanted to see if anyone else had done this before doing it myself. I plan on primary and engine sump for it. For my 08 VRSCDXA, I will stick with SE for now just because of how much oil I'm burning (if it becomes a warranty issue). I called HD and they said that a qt/1000 miles is in spec. I only have 5K on the bike right now, and it sucks to have to put a quart of oil in the saddlebags because I'm making a weekend trip.
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My thoughts were really, how advanced was the oil in 64. I just wanted to see if anyone else had done this before doing it myself. I plan on primary and engine sump for it. For my 08 VRSCDXA, I will stick with SE for now just because of how much oil I'm burning (if it becomes a warranty issue). I called HD and they said that a qt/1000 miles is in spec. I only have 5K on the bike right now, and it sucks to have to put a quart of oil in the saddlebags because I'm making a weekend trip.
Switch to Amsoil and run the out of the bike & I mean run it, WOT to red line through the gears and plenty of engine breaking for a couple of hundred mile and I guarantee your oil use will fade to zero.
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I read the amsoil article and became confused. It states that there is a separate sump for the transmission and the clutch. The owners manual specifically states that the oil in the sump is used for the engine, transmission, primary, and clutch. What's the right answer? I probably wouldn't have said anything, but the article specifically stated v-rod.
Actually it states:

The first is where there is a separate fluid reservoir for the clutch
keeping it isolated from the engine and transmission. An example
of this configuration is the primary-drive chain case found on
recent models of Harley-Davidson motorcycles
(exceptions include
Sportsters and V-Rods)
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Old 08-24-2009, 10:49 PM   #24
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Question - I hear about amsoil quite a bit in discussions through this website. Is there a reason for amsoil to be used so often other than other motorcycle oils available? I'm asking out of ignorance, not for creating battles.
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Old 08-24-2009, 11:14 PM   #25
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Also, for the amsoil, are you using the diesel rating like in the owners manual, or motorcycle oil.
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Also, for the amsoil, are you using the diesel rating like in the owners manual, or motorcycle oil.
Everyone that gets Amsoil through me is using the Motorcycle 20w-50.
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Old 08-25-2009, 11:51 AM   #27
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Actually it states:

The first is where there is a separate fluid reservoir for the clutch
keeping it isolated from the engine and transmission. An example
of this configuration is the primary-drive chain case found on
recent models of Harley-Davidson motorcycles
(exceptions include
Sportsters and V-Rods)
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O2man,

Read farther and you will find what Garlyth was talking about. I had the same question. This is the part where the confusion is:

Wet-clutches can be found in three different configurations.
The first is where there is a separate fluid reservoir for the clutch
keeping it isolated from the engine and transmission. An example
of this configuration is the primary-drive chain case found on
recent models of Harley-Davidson motorcycles (exceptions include
Sportsters and V-Rods). The second configuration is a
shared transmission and clutch fluid reservoir. Examples of this
configuration can be found on Harley Sportsters and V-Rods, as
well as a few metric bikes like the Honda CRF-250R. The third
is a common engine, transmission and clutch reservoir. This is
the most common configuration and is found in the majority of
metric and European motorcycles as well as ATVs.
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My thoughts were really, how advanced was the oil in 64. I just wanted to see if anyone else had done this before doing it myself. I plan on primary and engine sump for it. For my 08 VRSCDXA, I will stick with SE for now just because of how much oil I'm burning (if it becomes a warranty issue). I called HD and they said that a qt/1000 miles is in spec. I only have 5K on the bike right now, and it sucks to have to put a quart of oil in the saddlebags because I'm making a weekend trip.
Burning oil is NEVER within spec on a modern motorcycle. If you're sticking to SE for cost reasons, you would be better served dumping the syn3 and installing any other motorcycle oil rated for wet clutches. It will be less expensive, so while you keep burning oil you're not burning as much hard earned cash.
Now if you would like to rid yourself of the oil burning curse, keep your RPMs at or above 4k as often as possible, lots of heavy engine braking, and put a quality oil in the bike at next change.
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I was going to post a question about what type of oil to use. Synthetic or regular. I had two dealerships tell me different. I noticed when I used synthetic I had issues with my clutch. (Especially when the bike got warmer) Once I went back to regular, I had no issues. So my question was going to be to see what other were using and if they had an a clutch issue using sythetic?
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My thoughts were really, how advanced was the oil in 64. I just wanted to see if anyone else had done this before doing it myself. I plan on primary and engine sump for it. For my 08 VRSCDXA, I will stick with SE for now just because of how much oil I'm burning (if it becomes a warranty issue). I called HD and they said that a qt/1000 miles is in spec. I only have 5K on the bike right now, and it sucks to have to put a quart of oil in the saddlebags because I'm making a weekend trip.
Same thing happen to me until i put it syn (not to mention Amsoil)
It stop burning oil
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