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Old 09-07-2019, 12:21 AM   #1
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Gauging Interest: "Rizoma" style mid-controls?

I have an associate that is interested in producing "Rizoma" style mid controls.

We have a few ideas for improvement, but the main goal of course would be actual production and availability.

Anyone interested? Of course the main question I was asked is "Do you think there is a big enough market to even warrant this?". I have no idea as I know the original Rizoma mids clearly weren't selling well (or perhaps priced too high?).

Thoughts appreciated. This would be a winter project if we proceed.
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Old 09-07-2019, 07:07 PM   #2
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I think part of the problem with Rizoma was the price . Plus as I recall they didn`t fit properly without a bit of modification . Not sure if sickrick is still on the site but he can chime in on them .
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Old 09-07-2019, 07:48 PM   #3
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They where also mounted further back compared to the stock vrscr/vrscd ones...
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Old 09-08-2019, 09:47 AM   #4
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I think part of the problem with Rizoma was the price . Plus as I recall they didn`t fit properly without a bit of modification . Not sure if sickrick is still on the site but he can chime in on them .
Price I have no doubt about. I believe the original kit was almost $1000 USD or so depending on where you got it (I know it was mostly an import item from Italy).

As for not fitting....with OEM exhaust yes. With aftermarket 2-1 exhaust I don't see much issues (I have a set in hand that I am installing as a reference right now). I know Rick mentioned frame issues, so I will measure/check that (in the lower position if I read right). I know the shifter side might need a Belleville washer to "move it out" so to speak, but as I said I'll verify that when I install this.

In reference to further back...I actually like that aspect as it gives a bit sportier position in terms of body control. Then again, I'm 5' 9.75" (certified by the US Army...and yes you know I'm short when I have to state the 3/4 of an inch...) so just based on my quick mock up I would say this is a vertically challenged rider's product (I have a Muscle with the reduced reach parts and I'm OK, not great with the reach in terms of controls).

At any rate, we can modify the design to accommodate any peculiarities we find.

Could we produce it cheaper than the original? I am sure of it. My concern is that this is a cruiser bike by design and this might be reaching to try and turn the bike into something its not (albeit a change my stature would appreciate).

More comments/thoughts welcome. Spread the word. I DO know when the Rizoma's come up for sale they don't last long!
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Hello, I’m interested! Have been chasing the original HD kit with very poor results...
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Old 09-17-2019, 10:40 AM   #6
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Hello, I’m interested! Have been chasing the original HD kit with very poor results...
Thanks for your interest. I have a bike on the lift installing the original Rizoma kit right now. We are evaluating the fit/issues/design/etc to determine next steps. So far I am very impressed with their kit, but that's here nor there as they don't make it anymore.
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Old 09-17-2019, 02:22 PM   #7
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There are several persons with interest at ”want to buy” parts section.. please keep me posted if you start selling kits.
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As a reference I have the HD mid control kit recently mounted on my 2009 NRS (I stole it on ebay for $160). It drastically improves the ride of the bike from forwards. Handling and weight ditribution much better. Bigger bend in the knees but I'm 5.9.636827" tall and still find it comfortable (but I had 30 years on sport bikes). Kept the forward pegs to stretch out so best of both worlds. You won't be disappointed in the purchace. Also be aware that if you have ABS youll will have to buy the Harley brake line from the master cylinder to the ABS HCU ($180). Thats if these group buy controls mount near where the HD mids are.
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As a reference I have the HD mid control kit recently mounted on my 2009 NRS (I stole it on ebay for $160). It drastically improves the ride of the bike from forwards. Handling and weight ditribution much better. Bigger bend in the knees but I'm 5.9.636827" tall and still find it comfortable (but I had 30 years on sport bikes). Kept the forward pegs to stretch out so best of both worlds. You won't be disappointed in the purchace. Also be aware that if you have ABS youll will have to buy the Harley brake line from the master cylinder to the ABS HCU ($180). Thats if these group buy controls mount near where the HD mids are.
Joe,

We've got a hydraulic line shop that can/will make lines for much cheaper than that however well noted.

I am trying to get some free time to wrap up the mids on my bike tonight so I can check out the ergonomics/etc tomorrow. Good to know you are precisely the same height as me (average/shortish) as I am worried it may be cramped (I have them on the lowest adjustment for the moment...).
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Freudie,
Be advised a Hydraulic hose may not work. I had one made for my set-up initially - had banjos and hose made/cut to my specifications. Fit great. However I spent days chasing the cause of spongy brakes. Bled them like crazy. backwards, forwards, vacuum, pumping the pedal... you get the picture.

Finally I decided to change the line and ordered the Harley line. That custom line I had made was the problem. The Harley line was 95% steel line with smaller ID. The Hydraulic shop made me a hose that was 100% rubber and larger ID. My opinion the ABS is engineered for specific IDs and lengths. Be careful.
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Freudie,
Be advised a Hydraulic hose may not work. I had one made for my set-up initially - had banjos and hose made/cut to my specifications. Fit great. However I spent days chasing the cause of spongy brakes. Bled them like crazy. backwards, forwards, vacuum, pumping the pedal... you get the picture.

Finally I decided to change the line and ordered the Harley line. That custom line I had made was the problem. The Harley line was 95% steel line with smaller ID. The Hydraulic shop made me a hose that was 100% rubber and larger ID. My opinion the ABS is engineered for specific IDs and lengths. Be careful.
I know this well...we talked about it on the phone (I'm the guy in the brake flush video/ITM)
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LOL - I didn't realize who I was talking to. Hi Jason. OK people, you are in good hands with Freudie1!
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Interested to see where this goes.

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I have put 50,000 miles on my 07 vrscd which has the original mid controls and I love the riding position. With the forward hiway pegs it gives a nice change of positioning for long trips. But I am 5 foot 5" and most of my taller friends find the mid controls a little cramped. If I ever move up to a newer v rod I would certainly put mids on it. Good luck with your project. I hope it works out.
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I have put 50,000 miles on my 07 vrscd which has the original mid controls and I love the riding position. With the forward hiway pegs it gives a nice change of positioning for long trips. But I am 5 foot 5" and most of my taller friends find the mid controls a little cramped. If I ever move up to a newer v rod I would certainly put mids on it. Good luck with your project. I hope it works out.
Appreciated. We are meeting with a machine shop in a few weeks after we finish plan drafts. My concern is cost. Rizoma used CNC'd billet material and that adds up due to machine time. I'm debating between "pretty" and functional. The market for these are likely too small for a full on replica, but somewhere in the middle might work. If I get to the prototype phase I'll share some pictures for opinions.
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