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Harley-Davidson Antifreeze Revealed

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As we all know, Harley-Davidson doesn't make chemicals. But they do sell chemicals with the H-D logo on them.

Recently, I stumbled across a thread from another website that revealed many of those chemicals' true manufacturers (BTW, most of the H-D lubricants are made by Citgo). But the thread doesn't list the manufacturer of H-D antifreeze. So, I did a little investigation.

I went to the local dealership and asked for the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) of ShopWiki Corp.. They printed it out for me and I called the manufacturer listed as the "Supplier". It is supplied to H-D by Old World Industries, Inc. My question to the company was, "Is this antifreeze available for sale under any other label?"

Drum roll, please...Peak Global Lifetime 50/50 in a gold-colored bottle.

I found it at NAPA in 50/50 form and in full strength.

  • H-D dealership price: $20.00
  • NAPA price: $9.59
  • NAPA price for full strength (undiluted): $12.99

But what should be of significant interest isn't just the price; this antifreeze is compatible with "any color antifreeze" and it "Provides a guaranteed LifeTime of maximum protection when a complete cooling system flush and fill is performed."

Since the Peak Global Lifetime antifreeze is exactly the same as H-D antifreeze (verified by matching MSDS), you can add any antifreeze to your V-Rod without harm to the system. However, since all V-Rods are shipped with this same "Lifetime" antifreeze, it never needs changing so long as you never add any other type or contaminate.

So, is the 28,000-mile coolant change interval just another way to make money? According to the lifetime guarantee on the label of the bottle, yes, it certainly is... but I think that I'll change it anyway for $10.
 

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Good info Thanks man
 
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#5 · (Edited by Moderator)
AWESOME investigation work Dr. Dave(y) We are rarely on the same side of the playground, but GREAT JOB, and thanks for sharing! I was preparing to take on a drain/flush since I'm at the 17k miles mark, but now I will just top it off with w/distilled & deionized water instead
 
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Awesome info. What is this special water and where do you locate it? Thanks Jim
 
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you can pick it up at the grocery store with the other gallons of bottled water. here comes the :soapbox:
There are NO guidelines, either federal or local that govern the quality or lack thereof for bottled water. You can fill bottles from your hose and market it as bottled water. Water straight from the tap has quite a bit of harsh chemicals and TDS (total disolved solids). These contaminants are a NO NO for any cooling system. They're fine if you're in a pinch, but will lead to premature failure of your coolant and your cooling system.
Deionized water and or distilled water are "pure" water. Think 99% of impurities are removed. Deionized is just a more complicated and expensive version of distilling, some would argue better.
 
#8 ·
Yea Dave nice going... I feel that this is the tip of the iceberg as to what we as VRODDERS are going to discover about HD & their ways to shake us down...

Amsoil is better than STN-3 & its about 1/2 the cost.
Factory Dunlop tires are suspect...
Now this... Orange anti-freeze is Orange freeze. done
 
#13 ·
ha... what is funny to me is that is what i replaced mine with last year!
 
#15 ·
kinda a orange color
 
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As we all know, Harley-Davidson doesn't make chemicals. But they do sell chemicals with the H-D logo on them.

It is supplied to H-D by Old World Industries, Inc. My question to the company was, "Is this antifreeze available for sale under any other label?"...

Drum roll please...Peak Global Lifetime 50/50 in a gold-colored bottle. ...

I found it at NAPA in 50/50 form and in full strength...

H-D dealership price: $20.00
NAPA price: $9.59
NAPA price for full strength (undiluted): $12.99

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According to their web site it is sold also at CarQuest, K-Mart, Advance Auto, Murray's Discount Auto, Blaine's Farm and Fleet, Ace, Sam's Club, Pep Boy's, True Value and Wal-Mart - among others.
 
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#18 ·
Ok..... now being that I am in Nevada, my bike is a 04B w/13k. I am curious as to HOW OFTEN to do the coolant. As we all know nothing lasts forever.... should I do a flush/fill w/hitting 3+ digits already? Or wait a lil while? Open to suggestions.

Joe
 
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Since the Peak Global Lifetime antifreeze is exactly the same as H-D antifreeze (verified by matching MSDS), you can add any antifreeze to your V-Rod without harm to the system. ....
Rather strange logic.

Just because the HD antifreeze (Peak Gold Lifetime 50/50) is compatible with other antifreezes doesn’t mean the engine casting, water pump, radiator, and plumbing are.

You need to use a “silicate free” anti-freeze to protect the cooling components from damage. It doesn’t have to be HD or Peak Global branded but I wouldn’t use just anything. If you buy full strength you should use deionized (or distilled) water for diluting the mix (you don't want Cl in the fluid either).
 
#20 ·
You da man Dr. Thanks!


Sticking it to the man one post at a time, I love it.
 
#21 ·
Good find...I've been researching Antifreeze myself as I'm installing a killer glass pipe. Quite interesting reading I must say here's a few links I found to be helpful, the 1st one talks of the different chemical compounds in different types of antifreeze, its not just glycol base anymore. I was looking to change the color of my coolant to either white/clear or possibly a yellow/gold but now after reading what's below and the other links I might just stick to the orange due to its compound and protection. I will prob still flush and refill....

Groups of Coolants
Let us begin to sort this out by pointing out the three principal groups of coolants. We will not define every possible coolant and its corresponding color. Indeed, yellow coolants may have very different compositions. A blue coolant may have the same formula as a red coolant. The three basic divisions include the following:

Group 1 - the original glycol-based “green” antifreeze we are all familiar with. They have quick-acting silicate and phosphate corrosion inhibitors that do a good job inhibiting corrosion on both iron and aluminum surfaces. This familiar green liquid has proven its worth in all the temperature extremes of North America. Virtually any vehicle can use this fluid. Why not make this the universal coolant? You could, and maybe we have, but the corrosion inhibitors have a very short life and the antifreeze must be changed every other year or every 30,000 miles. If the customer fails to perform this maintenance, then expensive radiator, heater core and pump replacements soon follow. Unfortunately, many motorists do not keep up with maintenance, even with encouragement from their mechanics.

Group 2 – coolants based on the organic acid technology (OAT). They contain 2-ethylhexanoic-acid or 2-EHA and other organic acids, but no silicates or phosphates. This formula gives longer life, thus replacing the short-lived silicates and phosphates. Many colors reside in this group. General Motor’s OAT-based DexCool is orange. Volkswagen-Audi has the same formula, but it is pink. Honda has one coolant dyed a dark green, which looks almost black when it is dirty. The corrosion inhibitors in this group are slower acting, but longer lasting. Five years, or 150,000-mile intervals are often recommended in this group of coolants.

Group 3 - the group of hybrid OAT coolants called G-05. They do not have 2-EHA but use other organic acids and add a little silicate. Silicate is desired because it provides quick-acting protection for aluminum surfaces. Silicate will also repair minor surface defects. Chrysler, Ford, and many European manufacturers are using these hybrid OATs.

Other links that were interesting....
color chat listing from a dye company
Color chart break down
Full version of the article I sampled above
 
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I was told that the colors were added to the newer cololants to let the techs know if someone changed antifreeze to another brand type for warranty's and such. Jim
 
#30 ·
What color are you looking for? Jim