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Old 01-09-2013, 10:13 AM   #16
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that depends on the model. While the 04' he's talking about yes it's 115 at the crank. The VRSCRs and VRSCDs all came with 120 at the crank. It's why the VRSCD's are so desirable. You have basically the same power on a lighter bike with Mid controls and highway pegs and it can lean little bit further due to it being an inch taller or so. So you have the best of both worlds.

I ride with a guy with an 08DX and an 2010' F and I can steadily pull away from both of them. They have the bigger engine but after changing my wheels and shedding about 50lbs in weight "exhaust, rear pegs, etc". I've got almost 100lbs on them.

I take back some of what I said after looking up the numbers. If it's an '04 A, then it should pull 115 at the crank. I'd assume maybe 100-105 would be fairly accurate at the wheels stock. Running an exhaust that hinders it will drop it a few more.
My '07 1130 DX should be 120-125, so 110 is appropriate for mine.

While 97hp might still seem weak, it might not be as bad as I thought considering it should come with 115 at the crank. Odds are if you get on it and ride it, it'll feel fine since it's by dyno tuned.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:35 AM   #17
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The probem is I can't ride it. It's on Ebay..
Well that's always been a head scratcher to me. Buying over the net, not seeing, not hearing or riding.
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I take back some of what I said after looking up the numbers. If it's an '04 A, then it should pull 115 at the crank. I'd assume maybe 100-105 would be fairly accurate at the wheels stock. Running an exhaust that hinders it will drop it a few more. My '07 1130 DX should be 120-125, so 110 is appropriate for mine. While 97hp might still seem weak, it might not be as bad as I thought considering it should come with 115 at the crank. Odds are if you get on it and ride it, it'll feel fine since it's by dyno tuned.
A 20% HP loss the pavement give or take is average.
Again all these numbers mean nothing if all these bikes you are comparing are not done on the same dyno, same day, same calibrations - period.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:57 AM   #19
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A 20% HP loss the pavement give or take is average.
Again all these numbers mean nothing if all these bikes you are comparing are not done on the same dyno, same day, same calibrations - period.
agreed
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:58 AM   #20
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I take back some of what I said after looking up the numbers. If it's an '04 A, then it should pull 115 at the crank. I'd assume maybe 100-105 would be fairly accurate at the wheels stock. Running an exhaust that hinders it will drop it a few more.
My '07 1130 DX should be 120-125, so 110 is appropriate for mine.

While 97hp might still seem weak, it might not be as bad as I thought considering it should come with 115 at the crank. Odds are if you get on it and ride it, it'll feel fine since it's by dyno tuned.
Yeah the average for the 1130s was around 103hp. So adding the 2into2 exhaust I can deff see 97HP being accurate.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:30 AM   #21
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97 hp is weak. i own a 2003 model, that i bought new & the only mod's are the Rinehart dual staggered pipes & Power Commander & it dyno'd 105 hp at the wheel.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:46 AM   #22
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97 hp is weak. i own a 2003 model, that i bought new & the only mod's are the Rinehart dual staggered pipes & Power Commander & it dyno'd 105 hp at the wheel.
Again without something to compare to on the exact same dyno who knows. Your bike could dyno at 50hp on a dyno that is not calibrated correctly.
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97 hp is weak. i own a 2003 model, that i bought new & the only mod's are the Rinehart dual staggered pipes & Power Commander & it dyno'd 105 hp at the wheel.
It isn't weak it's just not on the same dyno as yours. Only one 1130cc has dyno'ed 100+ on the same dyno my stock 1250 did 109. It had head work and exhaust and a great tune while mine was a only a few weeks off the showroom floor. Like I said at the beginning 97 is within reason of the 1130 put it on a dyno down the street and it might pull 103. Anytime someone gives you dyno numbers its good to keep in mind the +\- different shops will give you.
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:05 PM   #24
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Also would depend on what exhaust is on it, you just mention it's got a aftermarket. If it's something like the toxic exhaust that could explain the drop in HP.


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Alright so I just found the bike on Ebay and it's running Rinehart 2-2 Staggered so that would explain the numbers now. If you check out this thread you can see that with Vambo's point and that exhaust it's probably about spot on.
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:07 PM   #25
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my 2002 with Vmods and topless was dynoed at 109hp and 83 TQ. Those are low numbers on your bike.
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Also would depend on what exhaust is on it, you just mention it's got a aftermarket. If it's something like the toxic exhaust that could explain the drop in HP.


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Alright so I just found the bike on Ebay and it's running Rinehart 2-2 Staggered so that would explain the numbers now. If you check out this thread you can see that with Vambo's point and that exhaust it's probably about spot on.
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Again without something to compare to on the exact same dyno who knows. Your bike could dyno at 50hp on a dyno that is not calibrated correctly.
They just don't seem to hear us!


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Way low. my 04 with SE 16Gauge, PowerCommander SE Airfilter and running topless was 116 at the wheel and mid 80's TQ( Thinking 84). The baseline with above except is was flashed with no Power Commander was around 106 at the wheel.
Baseline and ending numbers were about an hour and half apart.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:19 PM   #30
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I'll never understand the obsession with max torque and hp numbers.
No one rides around @8000+rpm. IMO, real world riding is from 3000 to 7000rpm, that's where you should be questioning hp and tq numbers.
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