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Old 12-13-2012, 10:09 AM   #16
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Take riders course . Get another V. F'em. What doesn't kill you
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:18 AM   #17
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Jesus Christ look at all the Great and Might Ones passing judgement here, what crap, (My Favorite of course "Raised MY insurance rates through the cost of your stupidity" and Here I thought Sheryl Crowe was from Missouri not New Mexico)
If you want to "Hang Out" with Sport bike riders then buy a Sports bike, although this place is Full OF "Pros" that could give any F1 or MotoGP rider a lesson or 2 (even though they ride less then 5000 miles a year) and they will tell you this bike can "Keep Up with any Ducati, Busa Blah Blah Blah." You will always be pushing the bike into situations its not meant for. If you are an idiot then you will never learn how to ride properly anyways and if thats true you should buy a different HD like a Softail etc.. because they are slow and heavy and you will not have to "Learn" to ride instead putt around and shine it and stand in parking lots talking about riding. I never rode a bike before my VROD, took it slow learned how it works, many around here gave me the "Its too big and technical for a 1st bike" crap, 106k miles later I still have it no problems. You know if you have learned anything, buying a bike you don't like or is way under powered for what you are looking for isnt the answer as you will push them too.

Also if you can afford to keep repairing a bike like a VRSC then more power to you if you do continue in this fashion.
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:39 AM   #18
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A bike you can beat on?

OMFG you are a danger to everyone on the road.

I was stupid enough to start with a 1977 KZ1000 as my first bike.

But like Dirty Harry Callaghan said 'A Man has got to know his Limitations.'

You don't know yours, and that is a bad thing for you and everyone around you.

Slammed on your brakes? Good Luck trying to steer out of it like that.

Take a riders training course. Then take a riders race course training.

Then realize the stupidity of trying to keep up with someone who may have both street and race training and years of experience besides.

Consider yourself lucky.

Do two Years from now Self a favour and snap out of that crap
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:58 AM   #19
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Jesus Christ look at all the Great and Might Ones passing judgement here, what crap, (My Favorite of course "Raised MY insurance rates through the cost of your stupidity" and Here I thought Sheryl Crowe was from Missouri not New Mexico)
If you want to "Hang Out" with Sport bike riders then buy a Sports bike, although this place is Full OF "Pros" that could give any F1 or MotoGP rider a lesson or 2 (even though they ride less then 5000 miles a year) and they will tell you this bike can "Keep Up with any Ducati, Busa Blah Blah Blah." You will always be pushing the bike into situations its not meant for. If you are an idiot then you will never learn how to ride properly anyways and if thats true you should buy a different HD like a Softail etc.. because they are slow and heavy and you will not have to "Learn" to ride instead putt around and shine it and stand in parking lots talking about riding. I never rode a bike before my VROD, took it slow learned how it works, many around here gave me the "Its too big and technical for a 1st bike" crap, 106k miles later I still have it no problems. You know if you have learned anything, buying a bike you don't like or is way under powered for what you are looking for isnt the answer as you will push them too.

Also if you can afford to keep repairing a bike like a VRSC then more power to you if you do continue in this fashion.
you have your bike after 106k miles. exactly... you didn't do what he did
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:06 PM   #20
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you have your bike after 106k miles. exactly... you didn't do what he did
No but it is my 1st bike. My point is an idiot is an idiot no matter the situation. By producing this thread it leads me to believe there is something telling him he is going about it wrong. But if he is out there pushing a VRSC with Sport bikes he will never win that battle and if he has no trouble crashing and fixing a expensive bike he wil just ride a shite bike into the ground causing himself even more problems in my opinion.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:40 PM   #21
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my favorite has to be "You are a danger to us all out on the road, get a car instead" Because none of us have ever had close calls with those and would "Prefer" someone lacking in judgement behind the wheel instead. great stuff.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:46 PM   #22
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:51 PM   #23
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I just hope he's figured out that hitting the brakes in that situation was probably not the best idea. (of course "not realizing" he was going over the center line isn't too cool either) He got off really lucky, and it wasn't clear to me whether he wore his leathers/protective gear or didn't wear them. If he wasn't wearing any gear, I did not hear that he learned to wear it either.

My opinion here, as dark as it may seem, is that he'll be worm food soon without a complete change in his attitude. David - it was one thing for you to get a V-Rod as a first bike and learn to ride - you were obviously responsible about it. I don't get that sense from the OP, and I don't get any sense that things will change on his choice of a second bike.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:06 PM   #24
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I just hope he's figured out that hitting the brakes in that situation was probably not the best idea. (of course "not realizing" he was going over the center line isn't too cool either) He got off really lucky, and it wasn't clear to me whether he wore his leathers/protective gear or didn't wear them. If he wasn't wearing any gear, I did not hear that he learned to wear it either.

My opinion here, as dark as it may seem, is that he'll be worm food soon without a complete change in his attitude. David - it was one thing for you to get a V-Rod as a first bike and learn to ride - you were obviously responsible about it. I don't get that sense from the OP, and I don't get any sense that things will change on his choice of a second bike.
y'all prolly scared the beejesus outta him an' now he won't even ride a tricycle..
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:24 PM   #25
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This is my first bike ever (@ 34 yrs old). I've put 12k miles on it in 4 years time. I took the MSF course. I ride at my own pace & that's that. If you are reckless in a car, (lead foot etc) you'll probably be reckless on a bike. Since he asked, I think the OP should take a riding course or don't ride ever again. He sounds like someone who is reckless no matter what they are operating.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:50 PM   #26
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Many of these posts are far too critical of you. You realized you were overriding your skill level and that shows you know where you're at. What you failed to observe was the consequences of doing so and that shows immaturity. You could have been killed, or worse, killed someone.

My suggestions are:

- Read and understand this post:
http://www.1130cc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42548
an excellent read for ALL riders. I made a Word document from it to
refer to often.


- Take a certified motorcycle training course. You need to know how
and when to brake, how to properly turn, etc. (do not take these
things for granted - there is a right way and a wrong way).
see below

- Whatever bike you decide to buy, make sure it 100% mechanically
operational with good (not old or worn) tires.

- Slow down. Just because you can go fast does not mean you can
ride well. Speed increases the possibility of accidients by reducing
reaction time.
You said "i pushed my self way beyond my skill, i could tell after
a couple close calls that i was way way beyond my skill level."

Know you limits and ride within them!


- Before you ride - prepare yourself mentally. If you are not feeling
well, are preoccupied with other things, are late and in a hurry -
take the car. You need 100% of your focus to ride safely.

- Keep wearing proper riding gear. Many times it's not up to you
when or where someone else will cause an accident. My bet
is that many of the members here that critisized you do not wear
proper riding gear.

I could go on and on, but it's really up to you to realize there's more to riding correctly and safely than anyone could know without being taught. Learn and Live.


One thing I'd like to add is to always LOOK where you want the bike to go. If the bike is capable, it will follow that path. Keep your eyes parallel to the ground and look down the line you want to travel. You should NEVER drift into the center line. Force yourself to keep your eyes on the clear, safe path.

To answer your specific question... I believe it's extremely detrimental to have the mindset that you need to by a "beater" bike next. That says "I expect to crash again while I'm learning to improve." Riding a motorcycle isn't like skiing or snowboarding. You don't get better because you push yourself to the point of falling down. My uncle logged over 250,000 miles on multiple motorcycles with ZERO accidents throughout his riding career. It's not the bike, it's the attitude in your head.

The investment in a MSF course is negligible compared to the cost of repairing or buying a new motorcycle, or injuring/killing yourself and/or someone else. Please visit the link below and schedule a course. Besides learning how to ride safely, you will learn to ride BETTER, and thus actually ENJOY your riding even more.

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Ride safe and keep the shiny side up!
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:38 PM   #27
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Op just trying to learn and got caught in a little. let the man be, people. I've been down, you've been down too. So did he. Not smartest way but so what?
Op I'm glad ur ok, bro. Buy what u gonna ride, its the best way to learn.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:55 PM   #28
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I'll be gentle.
Buy a Kawsaki 650 twin or an 883 Sportster, take a riding class, do some track days and buy FULL gear.
This does not mean, a leather vest, wallet chain and do-rag.
This means a quality (Shoei or Arai) FULL-FACE helmet, full-fingered gloves, actual motorcyle boots, a jacket with built-in body armor and kevlar lined jeans (though a full-leather suit is better).
Then, enjoy!
Nothing wrong with your questions.
(Now to bruise your ego: The real way is buy a 250 cc honda rebel, move up to a 500cc twin and then to a 1300 cc twin. A 600 cc sport bike is a wicked machine, not necessarily for beginners. It will smoke ANY Harley stock-to-stock).
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Old 12-13-2012, 05:41 PM   #29
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Take a course. wear the gear. practice. obey the law. gain experience, respect the bike and the road. good luck. Joe
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:37 PM   #30
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(My Favorite of course "Raised MY insurance rates through the cost of your stupidity" and Here I thought Sheryl Crowe was from Missouri not New Mexico)

Lux, name one insurance company that issues insurance policies in New Mexico ONLY! So if it is not a state specific company, then it goes into the national equation; truly, it goes into the national data base anyway. So whayt's you point, that you don't have.
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