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Old 12-05-2012, 07:43 PM   #76
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Luxy, those techs do not work for Harley Davidson, they work for the dealer. And it isn't just V-Rod owners who are treated shabby. My first Harley product, actually my very first motorcycle was a 1980 Sportster. I took a little trip to visit a friend in Orange County and the bike would not shut off even if the key was removed. The first dealer I went to in Westminster refused to honor the bike's warranty because I did not buy it from them, never mind Bargers was a couple of hours away. The dealer in Santa Ana was willing to fix the problem, which was a defective ignition switch. Welcome to the Harley fold, eh?
Really? HD isn't "Concerned" that the Face of their Co is made up of shitheads and imbeciles makes it even worse.
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Old 12-06-2012, 03:54 AM   #77
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A lot of words are being put into HD's mouth. Beginning to sound like foxs news ova hey!


Here is what the dealers see...........


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Old 12-06-2012, 08:27 AM   #78
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^ Precisely the problem. And as long as the dealers treat their customers like babies they'll continue to lose them too.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:16 AM   #79
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Yes, I would buy another VRSCAW. Never taken it to the dealer except to have them replace a failed battery when it was new and fix an oil leak that I caused removing the air box to jump the battery so I could ride it to the dealer. I do my own maintenance. The HD dealer here in South Korea and the independent shops seem reliable
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:47 AM   #80
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Yes, I would buy another VRSCAW. Never taken it to the dealer except to have them replace a failed battery when it was new and fix an oil leak that I caused removing the air box to jump the battery so I could ride it to the dealer. I do my own maintenance. The HD dealer here in South Korea and the independent shops seem reliable
That's not the question. The question states would you buy another Harley - "other" than a V-Rod. I'm assuming most of us would buy another V-Rod (maybe a good thread starter though).
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Old 12-06-2012, 03:43 PM   #81
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Really? HD isn't "Concerned" that the Face of their Co is made up of shitheads and imbeciles makes it even worse.
Duly noted. I wrote Harley Davidson a letter complaining about my treatment. Their return letter was sympathetic but that is where I learned that each dealer is an independent business who can serve a customer or not. I told my dealer back then (and now to a degree) Barger HD about what happened and both Gene and Loretta both shook their heads in disgust.

Consider too that this was back in 1980, maybe even late 1979, when the HD demographic was more factory worker with a steel lunch pail bungeed to the passenger "seat" and college degrees among owners were fairly rare.

Hell, the parts grommet at Micah McCloskeys in Canoga Park threw me out because he discovered I was a college student! It's true. I was carrying a back pack and he wanted to know why. I told him I was a student and that's how I carried my books. "Get out of here little college boy" he sneered. "F__k you, my money is as green as the next guys" and I never went back. I was thrown out of bike gatherings because I was a student, and because I wore a helmet, back before there was a helmet law.

That's how it was Luxy. That's part of why I sold my second Sporty and bought a BMW. Enough.
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Duly noted. I wrote Harley Davidson a letter complaining about my treatment. Their return letter was sympathetic but that is where I learned that each dealer is an independent business who can serve a customer or not. I told my dealer back then (and now to a degree) Barger HD about what happened and both Gene and Loretta both shook their heads in disgust.

Consider too that this was back in 1980, maybe even late 1979, when the HD demographic was more factory worker with a steel lunch pail bungeed to the passenger "seat" and college degrees among owners were fairly rare.

Hell, the parts grommet at Micah McCloskeys in Canoga Park threw me out because he discovered I was a college student! It's true. I was carrying a back pack and he wanted to know why. I told him I was a student and that's how I carried my books. "Get out of here little college boy" he sneered. "F__k you, my money is as green as the next guys" and I never went back. I was thrown out of bike gatherings because I was a student, and because I wore a helmet, back before there was a helmet law.

That's how it was Luxy. That's part of why I sold my second Sporty and bought a BMW. Enough.
I believe this "Distance" is what keeps the last wave of the ignorant in HD's corner, Only in the HD world will you see a guy Bitching and Complaining about the Bike and or Service all the while wearing every stitch of HD clothing he can find. Its the Dealerships fault. Well when my Car breaks down and gets fixed poorly its also the dealers fault but I hear people say " This (Name of co) sucks, blah blah blah". The name on the bike is the same on the dealerships wall who signs a deal to Never sell Anything in their store that could Possibly compete at all with any HD made product. But yet they are able to keep that Distance for fault well in place, its amazing. And If I owned a Dealership where the Corp let me do what I want and 99% of the complaints came from people wearing the HD branding up and down I would not bother with them either, Hey dummy in the Outfit, where else you going to go? Victory? Honda? No, you are Bought and Paid for buddy boy" and I could do what I want, especially in shitkicker land where there are 1 dealership every 300 miles. Please its like a 10 years old threatening to "Run away from home" as soon as it gets dark and hungry they will be back, staring at their feet saying they are sorry, can I have another HD Pin
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Old 12-06-2012, 04:02 PM   #83
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I will buy another Harley one day. I had a sportster and dyna. I liked them both. The fit and finish are excellent and they sound and feel great. They have plenty of power for a cruiser that comes in torque so you feel it as soon as you twist the throttle. I also like the ducati monster and triumph thruxton so I'm not just a Harley fan boy. My next bike will most likely be a roadglide and I will also keep my v.

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Old 12-06-2012, 05:00 PM   #84
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^ Mr. Moran, you sure get riled for an "old timer". I thought age was supposed to mellow you a bit - LOL. Not that I disagree with you though.
Yea, when this shite happens it harshes my mellow what can I say? Maybe curmudgeon??

After working for dealerships for some time and then seeing how many years HD has been around you'd think they'd get a clue about what customers need as the bike ages.

One thing you have to consider that comes with age is wisdom and the crossover from earlier years to today.

With that comes the knowledge to state that if Harley can produce Shop Dope Service Bulletins for 1917 - 1949 active part number 99410-93, why can't they do this for later year built bikes?

This info could actually be posted on a secure site where owners could log on to discover what is going on with their machines thus letting them stay abreast of issues.

Talking with the dealership about access to SB's/recalls library brings no confidence about the factories ability to even let their dealership group know about problems which are well documented on this forum and I am sure on other forums.

This becomes even more obvious from reading history of how things have worked and then comparing todays way of doing business and then recognizing that the philosophy of, that is what customers are for.

They tell us our problems with the product and we evaluate if we want to even recognize what is a nagging issue with a low % of ownership complaint against the costs of handling problems correctly.

Their view is "they will always come and buy" is based on life and death cycle. Recognizing the company at being over 100 years old, what worked in the past works in the present and will in the future, heck we don't need no sport bike thing, let them other guys build it, as those riders age they will come to us in the future.

We all know that money either makes or breaks companies. In this case 8.5" X 11" scans are cheap insurance for brand loyalty if used correctly.

Just talking with the local dealership about MoCo SB notifications of issue and recommended change as well as any recall notifications, nothing is listed on sticking fuel tank units (sending units are bad), leaking brake light switch, pulling headlamp wires apart and faulty front tire wear and how to correct the issue.
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I believe this "Distance" is what keeps the last wave of the ignorant in HD's corner, Only in the HD world will you see a guy Bitching and Complaining about the Bike and or Service all the while wearing every stitch of HD clothing he can find. Its the Dealerships fault. Well when my Car breaks down and gets fixed poorly its also the dealers fault but I hear people say " This (Name of co) sucks, blah blah blah". The name on the bike is the same on the dealerships wall who signs a deal to Never sell Anything in their store that could Possibly compete at all with any HD made product. But yet they are able to keep that Distance for fault well in place, its amazing. And If I owned a Dealership where the Corp let me do what I want and 99% of the complaints came from people wearing the HD branding up and down I would not bother with them either, Hey dummy in the Outfit, where else you going to go? Victory? Honda? No, you are Bought and Paid for buddy boy" and I could do what I want, especially in shitkicker land where there are 1 dealership every 300 miles. Please its like a 10 years old threatening to "Run away from home" as soon as it gets dark and hungry they will be back, staring at their feet saying they are sorry, can I have another HD Pin


I agree. The only thing that I have that says "harley" on it is my vrod. I could not imgaine paying 425$ for a harley mens jacket! As for the dealerships, I been lucky and have had good service with HD of El Cajon and HD of San Jose, cant speak about the rest.
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Old 12-08-2012, 12:27 PM   #86
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yes i will and i have bought a few. i currently have a 2011 Screamin eagle street glide, it is the best bike i have ever owned.
If you are buying a Harley looking only for cutting edge technology, you may as well look elsewhere. the whole point of riding something other than a Vrod is the history and lineage behind that model line. If it doenst impress the individual who is riding it or buying it, that you can get on a Road King that still has a distinct resemblance to models from 50 years ago then buy a Goldwing or something else that may, and that a big may....hold some semblance of its value in a few years.
I have been riding for over 30 years and have ridden everything from Beemers to ducats and jap bike and Harleys....they all have their issues. but as my brother said....harleys may be antiquated and lacking in some areas....but they have a soul and a history that is american. they are fun to ride!!
And if you receive bad service in your local dealership, find a new one. I receive top notch service at my local dealership and they treat me very well. Love my Harleys and I will buy more....as well as other brands. if it had two wheels i dig it!!
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yes i will and i have bought a few. i currently have a 2011 Screamin eagle street glide, it is the best bike i have ever owned.
If you are buying a Harley looking only for cutting edge technology, you may as well look elsewhere. the whole point of riding something other than a Vrod is the history and lineage behind that model line. If it doenst impress the individual who is riding it or buying it, that you can get on a Road King that still has a distinct resemblance to models from 50 years ago then buy a Goldwing or something else that may, and that a big may....hold some semblance of its value in a few years.
Hey, I hear what you're saying, but I prefer not to ride antiques.
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Would You Buy Another Harley (other than a V-Rod)?


NO, the EVO & TC lines did not perform to my demands, I still love the styling and comfort of those bikes but the power plants were soon tired and unreliable.

The VRSC line (any flavor) is the only HD I will own from this point forward (even with all the warts that Rick mentions), right now all I have is the Destroyer for track use only.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:44 PM   #89
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I was really Torn last month when I went and put a down payment on my Triumph Scrambler, I stopped by an HD dealership to look at the 48 1 last time before I did, I love that 48, but after talking to the saleperson and telling him I had just put a down payment on a Triumph and was waiting for the bank to open on Tuesday to get the cash for the rest of the price he said "I will knock off $200 since you are paying cash" hence making the bike $3600 more then the Triumph. Needless to say I am now the proud owner of a Triumph Scrambler and not a HD 48, a Bike I loved since the day it came out and still do. HD needs to rethink their "Entry Level" bikes and their prices. You can buy Ducatis' Triumphs etc... for much less. If he had gone down $1000 instead of $200 I would have a 48 in my garage today.
As for their bigger bikes? No, I like none of them and the few I see that I do are Way over priced.

HD finds itself is a very odd predicament, Its created this whole fake "Lifestyle" nonsense that has raked in the profits for many years etc... but there is a large population of people out there that steer away from HD because of the "Pirates" and being associated with them.
I'm glad you bought a Triumph. It fits perfectly with the gay porn industry that you work in. Now you can spend your life (40,000 posts = 14/day since 2005) on the Scrambler forum bashing Triumph riders and bikes like you did with H-D. We'll miss you; not.
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I'm glad you bought a Triumph. It fits perfectly with the gay porn industry that you work in. Now you can spend your life (40,000 posts = 14/day since 2005) on the Scrambler forum bashing Triumph riders and bikes like you did with H-D. We'll miss you; not.
Don't worry Sunshine, I now have both.


And congrats on being a Typical HD Cog and choosing 1 of the few people here to say they Would (and was actually Moments away from) buying another bike from Harley Davidson (Despite the dipshites who worships them and work in their dealerships).
Now I must face my Bigest decision of the day, Which bike to take out on the glorious day today (I will face the same decision Tomorrow and the Next day and so on and so on......) Enjoy sitting inside with your HD coffee cup and jammies watching men in Tight lycra pants jump on each other from under your fleece HD blankie.
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