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Old 11-27-2012, 01:45 PM   #211
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since its not a pipe thread it will probably have to be o-ringed im guessing....if you have a extra can i buy it off of you? pm me
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:30 PM   #212
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I will use a aluminum washer as a gasket.
I do not have extra IAT pieces, our local KMS importer have them in their stock.

A Modified KMS 3bar MAP in a stock location is a great deal as well (1487cc turbo topic, post #28)
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:19 AM   #213
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We have been thinking with Mukle, what kind would be a good universal plenum for V-Rod.
Here it is.

The plenum is possible to use right or left side feeded.
A charge tupe can be fitted every 45deg position.
Volume of the plenum is about 2000cc.
Multi purpose flange, which we will machine on Saturday, is used with the plenum.

Comments, some other ideas?

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Old 12-03-2012, 10:36 AM   #214
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If you have separate chambers for front/rear cyls. will it have any benefit over this design?

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Old 12-03-2012, 11:24 AM   #215
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At least a volume of chambers should be relatively high, I think something like 2*1500cc
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Black Ops 172lb/hr injectors, Wabro 255lph pump
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:11 PM   #216
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Thats what I am talking about.

Very Nice Sir.

Just need to make sure that there are fluts on the adapter at least .500 of an inch high.
This will help with the air flow.

Add ports for the boost gauge/ regulator / wastegate/ 2 bar sensor / ect...
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:32 PM   #217
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Karzza, Beautiful work ! Like Ken, add velocity stacks to the inlets inside the plenum. On the inlet, why not simply have a 1" long straight pipe ( 2 1/2 OD ?), anyone can use a silicone adapter to turne it any direction at any angle they wish ? Less expensive to fabricate as well.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:32 PM   #218
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What about putting the nozzel where the boost air splits so that you get more atomization?
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:37 PM   #219
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The next version, here you are.

All the needed connections (1/8"NPT) are located to the flange. A plugged BOV-location is possible to utilize for measure-purposes.

Mukle is checking if 280mm total lenght woud be possible w/o hitting to an airbox cover. More lenght would help airflow near and around of the velocity stacks.

Personally I believe a linear airflow is the best in a plenium and in runners. (Target is to turbulece fuelled air flow into a cylinder after passing a valve plate)


rsc, can You explain "Just need to make sure that there are fluts on the adapter at least .500 of an inch high" in other words.




More ideas and comments are wellcome to design the best plenum for everyone.
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Billet oil-pan, pinned cases and ceramic bearings, 12mm head and main studs
Jones cams, SuperAlloy valves, titan retainers, springs
Turbo Garret GT2560R, water cooled
16 Psi Forge waste gate and BOV, Valeo i-cooler
Black Ops 172lb/hr injectors, Wabro 255lph pump
Porsche tbo 5bar fuel regulator
Daytona VRFIgen3 ECM, KMS 3bar MAP.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:57 PM   #220
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:31 PM   #221
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Bottom right small picture has 2 black volecity stacks.

Can you please tell me how they are incorporated into the plenum.

Are they seperate from everything else?
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:13 PM   #222
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The plenum is sligtly re-shaped and the volume is now 2300cc.
Also an airflow aroud of velocity stacks is better at the moment.

A Volume of a 50cm 2" charge tube is 870cc, so a packet w/o a cooler would be 3170cc.
1130cc it means 2.8x engine displacement
1250cc it means 2.5x engine displacement

Should be pretty good.
We will machine the 9pcs of flanges tomorrow...and my new 60 trim compressor housing.
I will sent a picture.

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Billet oil-pan, pinned cases and ceramic bearings, 12mm head and main studs
Jones cams, SuperAlloy valves, titan retainers, springs
Turbo Garret GT2560R, water cooled
16 Psi Forge waste gate and BOV, Valeo i-cooler
Black Ops 172lb/hr injectors, Wabro 255lph pump
Porsche tbo 5bar fuel regulator
Daytona VRFIgen3 ECM, KMS 3bar MAP.
11 plates carbon fibre lock-up, billet basket
Str cut 2nd,
K&M plenum and -brace
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Old 12-07-2012, 05:11 PM   #223
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Karzza, Since you are going all out, may i suggest a pair of injector nozzle ports as an option on the top of the housing ? It will require a different ECU, but would allow for a "shower head" injector system that would run smaller injectors at part throttle and second set to come on with boost. More efficient than one big set. I like the air horns & modified inlet, but still think 2 1/2" might be considered.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:20 PM   #224
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Excellent Work!!!

This is better then the Last one.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:32 PM   #225
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seems a shame with such a beautiful creation you dont just design the flange and throttle body all in one and takes this to a new level...
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