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Old 11-14-2012, 02:54 AM   #61
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:26 AM   #63
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You are kidding me! I switch from 240 to 260 from time to time - I always use a 260 in the Summer for bike shows, but I sometime use a 240 in the Winter (didn't bother this year, the bike will be apart most of the Winter anyway, so I won't have worn it out before next year's rallies), and the difference is obvious.

Almost any bike will annihilate any car, that's largely why I ride. Interesting you pick a Busa though, that's a pretty slow bike in anything except a straight line. 150BHP is nothing these days, here's my cheap old 2006 sports bike - 150BHP, 421lbs. It is always going to leave any V-Rod standing. However, I generally ride my V-Rod, it's fun. It would not be much fun with less clearance and more unsprung weight though. It's marginal on those already.

What are you calling "decent wheels"? Lightest wheel I know for the V-Rod is the Muscle (excluding exotica like BST and 18" fronts from Buell), and I'm just off to see the bloke who is machining some for me...
The difference you think you feel is caused by different treads, not the 20mm difference. Vast majority of harleys on the road cannot keep up with a decent sports car. 150 BHP is definatly something on a NA Harley. I also have a R1 with 50 shot of nitrous and yes it toasts my dx. But if you bought a vrod for its cornering ability in the first place... well that was your first mistake.

By decent wheels, I was actually referring to the muscle wheels, though the BST or Buell wheels are even better. Even widened to 10.5 inches, the F wheels are still lighter than stock DX wheels. If you are so worried about weight, maybe a diet is a better idea than crying about a 300 tire.

Still my point stands. Unless you actually ride a vrod with a 300, you cant really talk about how horrid it rides. Yes it will be different, but it doesnt mean it is less enjoyable.

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Old 11-14-2012, 09:24 AM   #64
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The difference you think you feel is caused by different treads, not the 20mm difference. Vast majority of harleys on the road cannot keep up with a decent sports car. 150 BHP is definatly something on a NA Harley. I also have a R1 with 50 shot of nitrous and yes it toasts my dx. But if you bought a vrod for its cornering ability in the first place... well that was your first mistake.

By decent wheels, I was actually referring to the muscle wheels, though the BST or Buell wheels are even better. Even widened to 10.5 inches, the F wheels are still lighter than stock DX wheels. If you are so worried about weight, maybe a diet is a better idea than crying about a 300 tire.

Still my point stands. Unless you actually ride a vrod with a 300, you cant really talk about how horrid it rides. Yes it will be different, but it doesnt mean it is less enjoyable.

To get the specifics out of the way, what makes old tyres feel worse is the profile changes: I'm riding in conditions where the profile stays much the same. In fact mine wear out more on the shoulder than the centre. Even so, go from a worn 240 to a fresh 260 and the handling is clearly worse. Not dire, just worse. And the same applies to weight - mine and the bike's. Unsprung weight is the enemy, sprung weight is much less of an issue. A big heavy tyre and wheels are an issue.

So, returning to the general, you need to pull the two ideas together. Of course a V-Rod doesn't go round corners or go as fast as our sports bikes, nor is it as comfortable as a tourer, or my adventure bike. It is not as "good" a bike. But it looks better, sounds better, is more of an adventure to ride. The question is, how far do you want to go down that road? Because eventually you end up with some of the specials around here which are horrid heaps of shite to ride, but very pretty.

For me, the stock bike is an acceptable compromise, but it is limited by money. So spend a little money upgrading some bits (suspension, wheels, rotors) and you can head a little down the impractical road (lower saddle, 260 tyre) and still stay in the sweet spot. However no way would I lower it, because clearance is already a massive issue, nor go as far as a 300, because unsprung weight is the other. Hence my list of mods in the opening message - you end up with a bike that works as well as the stock bike, but looks better.

I'd not let Badlands at it, because they are doing what has been done to my Softail - compromising the bike so far that it becomes a toy. A toy is great if you also have bikes, but it is a different thing to what I was talking about originally.

And, when it comes to toys, I like to make my own. Giving Badlands a big cheque and getting back a bike that works less well than the bike you gave them is not my idea of fun. I'd rather do it myself. I get a real sense of achievement when a clever mod works, and I'd be reluctant to give that up. It's a hobby. There is no point in paying someone else to do it for me.

Messing about with bikes is very close to what I do for a living (computer networks). The big difference is no one is on my arse about the bike. Just ran into a brick wall today machining the Muscle wheel - the meat is not there to machine off. Oh dear. But it's a challenge, not a problem - nobody cares, no one is shouting at me, there is no real deadline, I can think about it while I walk the dogs and next week we'll try another way. All very relaxing... Meantime, all my bikes are fun to ride as they are.

And again, hence the OP. A list of do-able, interesting mods that can be done by the home mechanic over a couple of lazy Winters to produce a bike that works a bit better than stock, looks way better than stock and, if you did the wrenching yourself, can fill you with pride. Now what can be wrong with that?
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