From : "cwjoker" <cwjoker@gte.net>
To : "Eduardo Diaz" <eduarprmd@hotmail.com>
Subject : RE: Joker Exhaust for V-Rod
Date : Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:51:01 -0800

Yes the primary tubes are the same size, but we haven't tested the velocity
stack on the
v-rod yet.
Bryan
Joker Machine




Received this e-mail today. So I need the shorter rear cylinder velocity stack after all. Thanks John for the part number.
Got my bike today. At this very moment we are installing the Rizoma bar. Will see what happens!

How did you get the e-mail address in the first place? Did you fax them and give them yours?


John

I ordered online. I think it was on SatNov15 then MonNov17 THEY sent me this e-mail just after you had responded with the part number for the velocity stack.


RE: An order has come in frcwjoker [cwjoker@gte.net]om the website.

It's going to take about two days to get your order out. We have the v-rod pipes buffed out a little. I that o.k. with you? Please email me and let me know. Thank you for your order Joker Machine Sales Department


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Then I e-mailed cwjoker@gte.net with the question and thus the response that prompted this post.

Cool keep us Posted!:cool:

DID YOU GET THEM YET?:(

Got the tuner. Everybody saying he's the best here. Just as with Docs. Hmmm! We'll see. He's got the superflow cycledyn with all the goodies. I don't know if it is the best dyno but the guy can tune. Got me a digicam and fixed scanner so now I can also post some pics, not just gas.

Here's the JM reply on friday.

From : cwjoker <cwjoker@gte.net>
Reply-To : <cwjoker@gte.net>
Sent : Friday, December 5, 2003 11:36 PM
To : "Eduardo Diaz" <eduarprmd@hotmail.com>
Subject : RE: Joker Exhaust for V-Rod

Eduardo
Sorry for the late replay. I've been out for a few days and some didn't take
care of the pipe situation while I out. But I'm taking care of everything
today. I not be able to get them on the ups truck to day, but I'm granting
that you if they don't go out by Monday I will not charge you shipping.
Thank you for being so patient.
Bryan
Joker Machine

-----Original Message-----
From: Eduardo Diaz [mailto:eduarprmd@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 10:22 PM
To: cwjoker@gte.net
Subject: RE: Joker Exhaust for V-Rod


It has been many days now and I have not received the exhaust. Any problems?
Order number is 300020630


>From: "cwjoker" <cwjoker@gte.net>
>Reply-To: <cwjoker@gte.net>
>To: "Eduardo Diaz" <eduarprmd@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: Joker Exhaust for V-Rod
>Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:51:01 -0800
>
>
>
>Yes the primary tubes are the same size, but we haven't tested the velocity
>stack on the
>v-rod yet.
>Bryan
>Joker Machine
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I'm raising the BS Flag on that one!How hard is it to ship a set of pipes?I don't care were they are going it been how many weeks and they aren't shipped yet?:rolleyes:

seems like a lot of hassle to get these pipes, and they already charged you?
seems they need to take some courses in good business management..:2cents

Mr Murphy says "If anything can go wrong it probably will"

Hopefuly lightning won't hit me twice and they'll turn out as good as stated in their website:rolleyes: however unlikely it may seem.

Maybe they will turn out to be POS power robbers like the Simsons:rolleyes: . Maybe they'll look and sound so FUGLY I'll have to take'em off in shame.:banghead .

If past experience serves me right I'll bet you that even if they ship on monday I won't have them wednesday and probably not even thursday. Also, past experience tells me this is like going to McDonald's, if you f**k with them too much they'll expectorate a big loogy (is that right? not on the dict) on your burger. Spicy!:yak:

Nevertheless when and if they come,:welcome: .

I'll post photos and/or mpegs (possible?) if you wish.
May make thread "JM's FUGLY or not".
I'll take'em as they come but look forward to negative feedback and why. Please give the positives if you have'em because my ego is easily bruised.:rofl3:

Really! They have a good rep and I respect that. Wicked bikes they make. Kidding again? Bryan needs a spell checker. So do I but I have an excuse.

A "REPLAY" of this would be getting them in 6 weeks instead of 3.
Please REPLY!

:banghead Note to self!

:soapbox: Wednesday and the *%#%@r *&^$g thing still not here. Getting anxious. If only I had followed my initial instincts and ordered the TurboTecs.:whack:

Maybe I'll need to :spank2: myself later on for having said that.

If they turn out like the OTHER newer stuff worth 4hp it will really:hitfan:

I don't want to say"I TOLD YOU SO"BUT!:whack:

Eduardo,

I spoke to Brian from Joker Machine today. You should get your pipes by Friday.

The reason that I spoke to him was:

1. The shape of the pipe coming out of the rear cylinder. I suggested that they get more of a flow with the engine housing. Eliminate the upward flow, then straight, then curved. He agreed that it would look better with a nice even curve. He will check on what it will take to make this mod.

2. I asked him if the pipe can be highly polished to look more like chrome and he said it sure can.

3. I asked him about the pipes discoloring. He said that they will get a gold color for a few inches out of the motor.

4. He is also working on a sound file for us to listen to.

I personally like the pipe if they can highly polish it, work on the flowing curve and if they sound good.

Eduardo,
He also said your pipe is polished more than most.

Let us know what you think.

Pic

I do like this look, and it seems to provide more clearance than the STs. Hope we get good feedback on them.

Joker Machine sent me a Video with sound of their exhaust. It is a mpg file. How do i get it posted?

Here it is Frank. Sounds GOOD!


http://www.v-rodforums.com/movies/sound.wmv



John

John I added the forum link at this time.

My Turbo Tec's sound Better!:diablo: As Dr.Heathon!;)

Kaz,

Send us a sound file.

I don't have one!:1:

http://www.v-rodforums.com/movies/sound.wmv

I converted it to wmv for size Frank.

Max

The page you are attempting to access has been removed because it violated Angelfire's Term of Service.



:confused:

:welcome:

Sorry read your posts just now. The work excuse:rolleyes: . Could not even turn on this computer yesterday for backup.
Thanks for the replies. Pipes are at the in laws (on the way to work). Will pick em up after work and post a pic or two tonight if I don't have to sit beside sick one as a watchdog until stable (somehow friday is always the worst). To see the polishing. I think these are the best look so far. But I can be tasteless.

Thank you Frank! Very informative, particularly on the polishing part. I will probably have the dyno baseline tomorrow (office today) if they agree. May have time to take them for polishing first if necessary. What you'll see in the photos will be the dirtiest Vroad you've ever seen (rain ride, could not wait on the wheelie thing:sinister: ). I'll be tired tonight for any cleaning at 10pm and will wake up at 5am, work, then go have the baseline when they open.

Damn! How difficult is it to get a file on the TT's:eck02 ? AND, how many dang horses? Jeeez!

Was worried about the sound. But no more, thanks for the clip! I'll make one if I can and then ask how to post it. I'll bet you the TT's "sound better" because they are louder. Fact is people in this neighborhood are quite and were sometimes kind of pissed at me as a kid:cool: . Now I have some of my own children and would like them content. At least until my boy gets older:icon_twis . Of course if these turn out to be loud I'll have to sacrifice:rolleyes: and say F'em. Ahh, the hystory, the memories.

I'll try to make it so feedback is fun as well as accurate as possible. Maybe do several runs on different dynos of same configuration. NOW I need a dyno:laugh: . Will be much better with the help of you guys.

AND! Oh yeah! Big AND. Trust me, I'll be the first one to say "Kaz told me so. Damn!" if they turn out to be a POS. 'Cause he did:stooge:.

Hey! Who listens to Kaz anyway?:rofl3:

No Body!:1:
I actually told people to check them out as an alternative.My problem with them is there were supposed to be out well over a year ago!:mad: Hope it all works out and you gain 20 rwhp!:rolleyes:
;)

We all listen. If I get more than 5hp I'll be happy. If they do what they say I'll be happiest.

Just getting home.

Got them in a box downstairs. I'll unpack right away. 'Cause I wanna see them. Forget eating. Who eats in these situations.

Even a Corolla looks good beside the V-Rod.

OK! Don't know how to post more than one at a time so here's one.

Header two from outside, I like!

Another. Three not bad at all.

For contrast #4 and I think I'll keep'em.

Quit Screwing around with the Camera and install them already!:rolleyes: Get them on the dyno before and after for some real world numbers!:slap2: ;)

They look good but, those are NOT equal length!



John

John,
I will agree on that one.Take a Seamstress tape measure and let us know!:(

:confused:

Can you trust anything these days. Damn!
Will have to measure but since I was here in the forum until two am could not wake up at five to work so now will have to get on the V-Rod and go dyno hoping before work (this is important too) see if anyone will do without appt. It is now 8:30am here.

John, stop shouting, it's 8am. Dammit!:rofl3:

Maybe now I can keep the unequal stacks. Dealer is "getting them".:eek: Most important, could I install without the RT? I have an SE download, don't know which but can find out. They would have to keep the bike, and I want to ride the weekend. I can do the pipes at home (as in motorcycle exhaust).

They do look cool:cool: .

I think I'm cursed! Is there anyway to tell? Ah, I'll just cut a chicken, spray myself with the blood and lift the curse.

:mad: No tape measuring thing. Wife looking, she had a clinic last night and is supposed to have one to measure kids for growth charts and stuff.

Later. :blahblah: I'm off!

eduarprmd,

They sure look almost like chrome in the pic. How do they look next to real chrome. Keep us posted.

"Thanks"
Frank

Just get Ghetto.Use a Piece of string.Mark the length of one then lay it next to the other tube and you should See if it's the same ,shorter,or longer!:rolleyes: Doctors!:slap2: ;)

I don't need two inches of forehead to recall the string "trick". Just that I already have them and will install anyway. Had no time in a.m. yesterday. Guy told me in advance some ignition device for the dyno was on order after damage during the week and could not produce torque or rpm related curves, and could not print either. Needed appt for saturdays with any of other three guys close to work. He did not charge me but straped it and ran for 107.2 rwhp. Says the "computer tech" will be early during the week. Saved the file in windyn format to print during the week so I can pick it up and scan and post. Also did AFR and said a little lean. I'll go to the other guys dynos with same config for comparison if time allows but will need to wait for whatever the tme to install until at least I know results are accurate and reproducible. Will measure the thing today.
As it is right now, dad called that had propane flash burn to the face and arm, next door thoracic surgeon and I going out to the "vaqueria" (place where they milk cows - dont know english word), again for follow up. Asshole don't wanna go to hospital. Finished cooking then the party to eat this delicacy:rofl3: .

No rum for him today.:cheers:

What was your Baseline with the stock pipes?Did not mean to offend you with the "string Trick"but is it EQUAL Length or not?:rolleyes: Make sure that Pig is cooked up good would Hate for you to get a Tummy Ache!;)

Eduardo,

Send us some pics of what the look like installed. Do they look like chrome?. Have they started to change color? How do you like the fit and finish? How do they sound? Do you have a race tuner or the power-commander?

Thanks
Frank

Baseline with just K&N 107.2 max top on and an SE download dont know which one. Every run got to high 106 at least. But again it is all BS unless I have actual pritout. We will run it again with the dyno fixed for some RPM graphs (Torque, HP, AFR).

Let's get something right, right? I think it difficult to get offended by people I respect and you plus all the gang here are A class people from where I am sitting. Particularly Kaz, to you my man I have to give many thanks. Seeing your bike and your posts has been what fueled the fever actually (we call it "la fiebre" here), and the hole in my bank account? A good thing! I'll keep telling you guys, I think in a language then write in another. If I ever get in a crash I'll post it here before ER, I'll try to be faster than Frank. Which reminds me. Next week, if The Man upstairs allows, PM brakes are on order. Thanks Frank. Have to stop all this speed somehow. What do you think $800 for both (6p up front)? Installed! For stock size disks.

Frank they do look chrome when compared to other chrome parts. Not at all the yellow hue seen on JM's pics. I thought they WERE chrome when I took them out of the box. Only thing that could make me mad about them would be low power numbers. They have been on top of the pool table, outside, just to see if they'll discolor. Nothing. The finish seems top notch. A friend of mine is a tool and die guy agrees. 'Cause I really don't know shit. I have the little RT box in front me right now. It's been beside this laptop for about two months now.

Oh yeah! This is me half awake, stuffed after lunch, in bad need for a haircut, and no shave. Shiny face and all. What a beauty! After which I had to go to ER under the rain to see a lady that couldn't pee. Cool? NOT! (went to OR took a bath, put on some scrubs then saw her).

Eduardo,

Keep us posted. You will love the PM breaks. So you have not installed them yet. Get us some pics and numbers when they are installed.:cheers:
Frank

:rofl3: :rofl3:

Oh! Only one bone to pick with JM, and it is HUGE. NO STINKING STICKEEERS? WTF! It's supposed to be like cereal. Little surprise inside every box. Cannot install until convinced of a reliable baseline, too difficult having done research in past, after the fact questioning needs to be minimized. It hurts but has to be that way to be reliable info. That was the promise of a guinnea pig.

Cheers:cheers: ! I'm off!

Well are Little Piggey did you Measure them Yet?:banghead

Did you take the faux gas tank off when you dynoed?If not,do it.

Measured:
23 and 1/4" front.
20 and 1/4" rear.

So! Do I need the velocity stack or not? What do you think? This is most important, right? Do I keep same, switch cylinder stacks, or what?

Did not take the top off. Said it was lean. Race Tuner next after I can get realiable baseline with all the graphs printed top on (stock config). Then it's playtime, and I'm most anxious to get it done. Hopefuly all this week. Gonna cancel office friday if I can.

Doesn't 107hp sound a little too good? I just want the truth. It is out there , you know?

Are you sure that the number you posted are correct. It looks like the rear is longer.

107 for a Bone stock V-rod is questionable!:rolleyes: Every Dyno is different and some a Happy Dyno's"read high" some are Sad"read low" the big thing is the gain after you add the pipes.If it's lean keep the top on till you can add full then have some fun!:diablo:

Kaz is correct. 102 is about right for a stock V-Rod. I would have it tuned with both setups. Stock stacks and also with two short ones and see what setup is best. I knew those things weren't equal length.:rolleyes: Kaz, can you measure the TT's and give us the results too?


Thanks,
John

it's in the shop but I have to pic up a part thats being machine so when I bring it back later this week I'll measure for ya or I'll just call Sam and ask!:cool:

Frank. Here's what I did. I'll double check and let you know.

John. If unequal. Same length stacks?

It also has the filter and SE download but still seems pretentious to think actually with 107. The difference was noticeable after the download but not 5hp good. It's a heavy bike so I really don't know. Will redo on another dyno.

How'bout $40 baseline and $100 tune. Does that sound right to you guys?

Thats pretty Cheap but aren't Hookers $20 out there?;)

Originally posted by eduarprmd
John. If unequal. Same length stacks?



They are MUCH closer to equal than the stock pipes so I would guess that the equal length stacks would perform best.



John

My Turbo Tech USA's ARE EQUAL LENGTH"1/2 inch difference " 29 inches and 29.5 inches! So thats about as close as your gonna get John!:slap2: I'm telling Ya they are The Baddest Of the Bad!:diablo:

Kaz, any idea why Steve doesn't list them anymore???

I don't want to get into IT so I'll leave it at that!Call Sam Directly at 1-602-242-6099.He has few still in stock for Christmas!:thumb

now I REALLY want to know ;)
thanks for the number Kaz

Kaz, I ordered the TT pipe............asked for Sam,he was busy so I talked to John. Thanks for the recommendation..................Eric

Eric,
Your not messin around!:cool: The Fever is just getting started!:diablo:

Harleyvrodguy you ordered the TT:eck02. Would you please dyno it before and after, do a sound file if possible? They are said to be best performers. Looks are like third on my priority list. Still think the JM "look" is best I've seen so far. If not JM or TT would go ST even if I dislike the look and sound. Forget the Kaz discount. Pleeease do this objectively! Hope it's 20hp so I can sell mine to the lowest bidder. They'll make a great bong to some weedhead if <5hp.

Thanks John. Read somewhere pipes don't have to be same length to perform best. True or false? Could anyone direct me to that thread so not much typing on my account? Shave a little. Jeez!

For $20 not even a crackwhore (ni una puta de barrio te chingas). Since you are so beautiful you might get one :lick: for free.:stilpoke

Doing a whore? Amazing. Women are fauna, roaming naked in the woods, tip toeing, jumping around, ahhh the beauty. Oops! Sorry, daydreaming again. But it is free.

Gay are flora and you don't eat those I hope (burro meat). Fine if anyone does though. BBbhlaarrhh, double:yak: .

I stand corrected, a cheap Hooker is a cheap header so yes those are worth a $20 bill.:spit: No, really, a $100 shirt in Vegas would cost about $150 here. My Sequoia cost $46000 and no one I can find had it cheaper. I'll bet it's cheaper in mainland USA. Now they are going for $54000 after some damn governor tax. A supercharged Mustang Cobra is about $43000 for THAT. A Z06 at $72000. A Viper R/T 80 or $90000. We can talk Porsche, Ferrari, whatever but it will turn really ridiculous. Services are cheaper though.

Also posted on EFI forum as sticky "New Race Tuner file for V-Mod SE's"

I'm gonna get the JM installed then follow up with redyno. Tried yesyterday to dyno with another guy and really did not have the AFR for the dynojet250. This is a seat of the pants guy with excellent track records. Did not dyno it anyway. Got to Shannan's Pub, did some street racing, had me some fun. Will follow mj(w930) (the good one here) and kaz's message. It's what you get compared to baseline.

My question. The JM exhaust comes with a set of instructions and says in #6 "Racalibrate fuel map via power commander, Techlusion Box or Harley Screaming Eagle Slip-on stage II chip"

Could I install the header and muffler given I have SE download?
Then go get the RT installed.

OR

Must I have the RT installed first?
Then install the JM exhaust. What file should I load to start with? Mark got a baseline file and modified it to run a richer midrange for V-mods. Is this same file is a better baseline for mine with the JM than what the disk includes? Did you lean it somewhere?

First option could have running it in a couple of hours.

First thing, you don't "install" the race tuner, it simply loads map files into the ECM just like the HD flashe the dealer installs.

The RT comes with 3 Revolution maps. 2 for the Slip ons (one is for International bikes, the other for US Spec) and one for the 16GA pipes. Since there's no such thing as a Stage I or Stage II flash for the V-Rod I think Joker needs to get their instructions straight. It sounds like they are recommending the map for the 16GA pipes, that doesn't seem realistic to me knowing the differences between the two.

You have 2 avenues, RT or PC.

If you're running the PC then I suggest the SE Slip-on flash to correct the EPA garbage and increase the Rev limiter to 9100 then start with a baseline dyno run to see where the PC needs to modify fuel. Fine tuning would proceed from there.

If you have the RT then download the map for the US Slip-ons and follow the same procedures for the PC.

If you need to run something before the dyno tunes then I suggest the map for the Slip-ons, preferably the latest '04 version to run topless.

If you don't have either and needs to ride it before a tuning session then run with the stock air filter and keep the top on. That will act like a choke and keep air out of the system so it doesn't get too lean. I wouldn't run it like this long and certainly not stress the motor in this configuration.

Hope this helps.

Mark

Yes this helps. Need reasurance from someone with better knowledge. Have "-01B" version already. I guess you mean calibration ID 105LS001 which would be last (#16) on calibrations table as repesnted on the small pdf file included on the disk. Then this is what will be downloaded first, then calibration on dyno with AFR vs RPM capability. THANKS!

I would load map #15 (105GY001), make a run, load map #16 (105LS001), make a run and compare. Use the one that's the closest as a starting point.

eduarprmd,

What is the status of your base line run and the Joker install and dyno run?

I also would like to know.

Whats up Umbre?:cool:

Sorry, out for a while! Crazy :cool: cool christmas. Barely had time to connect and when can do have to do work email inbox. Been riding more frequently after my bike spent 2 month dealer $hit fuel pump recall thing. Have been loving it more and more every day. So then I sadly go to several of the worthwhile mechanics and all with the holydays excuse about being able to finish it in "bout a week". Any of you ever saw "The Money Pit"? "Two weeks". I see it as me without a bike for 2 weeks, at least. Now, the new year, the new fever. Called one and told me to get it there on monday. Will do. I gess I still cannot find a motorcycle tuner I can really trust since never did this kind of motorcycle dyno stuff before. The R1 guy I had doesn't do HD RT. Will just go ahead and install then dyno again with the last guys dyno so will just be able to compare peak HP and curve morphologies of speed and HP, unless he already has the ignition transducers for vs RPM comparisons. At least peak HP differences will be noted on the same dyno.

I also have a 2003 Sportster 1200C, love it too. Crashed @56mph on highway by my brother. Surprisingly little damage to both. He's OK. Made the Homer Simpson "Doh" sound bouncing on the street as air was repeatedly forced out of his lungs. Stupid jerk supposed to know better after years of riding. That is one of the reasons for no computer time, caring for his injuries. Seen friends sustain serious injuries before but seeing him nearly die almost killed ME.

PS He walked away from an almost always fatal situation. Lucky SOB. Oops, he's my bro! His Ma is mine too.

Nasty puncture wound, wanna see? (if he'll let me) I think I closed it pretty good. Seamstress tape measure would have been nice for sowing. Still a sore to the eyes.

Sorry to hear about your brother and the Sportster!! Glad the damage was minimal.

Sorry about the misfortunes.

Mostly the ego got hurt. Traumatic to his mind. Doubts about his riding abilities. He cannot get on one before he overcomes this, no racing season for him if I can prevent it. He just touched the other guy reaching for the reserve lever. I think it was so stupid a mistake he is ashamed of it. He'll get over it.
Avulsion fractured of humerus head (tendon pulled on bony attachment and pulled off a piece, cool xray, ER guy didn't notice, rookie wet behind the ears), puncture seems deep, and some road rash.

Too many parties on december leave you with a junk for brain I guess.

Eduard,

I just found out that the shop manager at the HD in San Juan is a childhood friend of mine. Don't know if that woudl help your relationship with them but I guess it won't hurt.

Haven't spoken to him in approx 15 years but his uncle is my dad's riding buddy. You know haw things are down there "el que tiene padrino ...".

Hope your brother is OK. Feliz Dia de Reyes!

Juan

This time only. Really! Zero sarcasm from me. No Joker talk. Has to be tomorrow because yesterday was "vispera de reyes".

Oh man! Juan, if you can, please do something for us islanders. I already told them how I think they are a POS, just so this is not talking behind anyones back. Ask. Guys neck and ears turned bright red and I just hoped he'd try something "unprofesional". We cool now but telling me two totally wrong AND diferent things the same day at nearly the same time about the same problem with my bike as if I had never gone to school. I blew a gasket. Kaz tells me not to bite the hand that feeds me. Well I see it differently and will not buy HD again for some time because of this particular dealer. That easy. Only essential part needed from them was the Race Tuner, all other stuff comes aftermarket.

If I had my way I'd rather have the RT installed at the dealer but I'm afraid they'll make me suffer the consequences in time and I'll slap myself because I knew in advance they would F me up. Too darn slow for paying overprice. On my mothers future grave, if these guys weren't so darn slow with my stuff they could have some more of my hard earned money. As it is poor business practice on their part I will send my money somewhere else. Already by my doing two friends did not get Harleys from them and another one went and imported a custom. I figure they lost more than $10000 because of this and truly hope they are reading this. I will keep it up, gives me much pleasure. I did not buy a V-Rod for $20000 to have it parked at the store for two months.

These guys need competition. The consumer needs to be treated right or go elsewhere and these guys really seem laid back in working with people purchasing many bikes in excess of $20,000. When I used to go to the Lexus/Toyota dealer they would have a place to sit comfortably, have some coffee, and most of all I could continue to work while waiting then go to work without a greasy, shiny face still at 1pm. Beautiful girl with large tits and ass caring for you, would loan me their phone to make local calls if poor with Cingular. This is one extreme.

HD here, while with a rather large well built facility, nice looks, and a rather quick and responsive (they keep calling) SALES dept is still the other extreme when you consider the other "(dis)services". I would think that if they fill the showroom almost monthly with $10-30,000 bikes and sell them all, that they are making very good money and I should not have to wait two or three weeks to have anything installed if they have it in stock or I bring them the parts. And this is the HD part of the building, they are also the largest Yamaha dealership on the island. I know of several (stupid) people that complain and complain of their service then go in backwards to get it again where it shouldn't go. The vicious cycle starts again with them talking behind the dealers back. These are people that like it like that I believe.:2cents

eduarprmd: You should post something here: http://stealer-dealer.com/

Will surf it. But really after the second event above mentioned where I blew a gasket we made peace with it. I'm told they behave the same after that. We are cool. I just won't do bussiness with them unless I'm told how much, when, and why?

Sound pushy? Hell yeah!

Anyway, off to the tuner right now for JM install, PM brakes, and the tune with the RT. See ya!

P.S. I guess sunday will post dyno results 'cause after they return it to me saturday may do some racing after all the track racing and shit done they'll allow test runs.

:1: Now I don't have a bike. Had been ridding almost daily.

Come saturday:lick: .

A new bike! 28t, JM's, PM brakes, RT and hopefuly a shitload of horses.

:biker: :icon_arro :fahr38

:teu26

WHATS THE VERDICT? :whack:

Eduardo is too busy riding to come check in with us....lol
I think it is a good sign.

Shawn..... you might be right :kaz:

or He and His Naughty Nurse Ran away! :diablo:

and you know what they are riding!

Christmas over I'm F'd with work or maybe bad timing I don't know. "Verdict" as posted in exhaust thread. What's new is not much riding (not even the "nurse" or should I say dietitian) but discoloration seems FUGLY to tell you the truth. Have no idea if it'll improve with polishing. No more dyno runs for the time being.

Hey I really like this forum stuff with you guys but if any of you has children and want them to become a doctor or some shit like I do, tell me cause I'll fly over and :spank: whack you. Get tits and ass but you can do that as a manwhore too. Let them become lawyers instead :diablo: . If good people :rolleyes: at least they sleep without two F'g beepers, a cell phone, and a bunch of ICU nurses thinking they'll call every freakin minute to tell you someone had the shits.

:hyper:

Maybe if I get it on a dynojet I'll get 123hp with 93 pump gas. Feels awesome. Sound is great. Beat the "weak ass" Modena that Kaz was kidding me about. Tried the data logging just to try out the RT and increased the rpm range a bit. Felt stronger at top. Pretty cool! I need a better tuner. Thing is I get zero weekends. NONE. NEVER. I'm working to see if a colleague will cover.

THAT you should see, it's a Road King or should I say Queen. Talk about FUGLY :dance: .

Ed,
You finally found your Cohunas and Smoked the Ferrari! :plause: You are a better V-rodder for it! :thumb:
I was told the other day I was a "Show Cat""ManWhore" is NOT Cool anymore! :slap:It's Not as Easy as you Think! :lick: :yak: I must have missed the thread about what you finally made"123rwhp :chair: Maybe with Nitrous"? :kaz:

:laugh: At the rate I'm going I'll be lucky to hit 115. :banghead:
I'm just implying a dynojet will probably help me just "feel" better. A 5-10 minute drive from the dyno I used there's a dynojet250 consistently making people "feel" better about their rides.

Not funny no more? :cool:
AND difficult? Yes. I know! Nuff said. :sad:

I did what you implied and kept it well below 110 whenever possible.
Worked every time. Again and again and when he wanted to try something new, BLAM all over again. :diablo:

All he saw was :moon: . THEN I told him that was a weak ass Modena. :ride:

Hey I had to read it over to answer correctly. Alzheimer's!
The VERDICT? Well I think there is really no better pipe for all around performance in all categories combined. Sound better than all I've heard. Looks like the only one out there really looking much better than stock look. I put three V-Rods side by side, one with the ST, one rental with the stockers on, and mine with JM. There were like 10 people there all with my same opinion, even the owner of the one with the ST. Most of all I bolted on 4-5hp zero tune. It will read 5 to 8 hp more on a dynojet. In the end I have to say someone with a good tuner should do a custom map for them and post the results. My search for a tuner continues.

I tried the one with the ST's (not mine so I did give it hell :diablo: ) and it is evident mine with the JM is faster, maybe it needs a tune but mine has none. It will need one huge improvement to catch up, that's for sure. I handed him my keys but he said he was convinced. I know it shouldn't be that way so will do some things to it to equalize the fighting grounds and I will be testing it again real soon. Both will be dynoed on the same dyno and if the ST produce more power I will come back and post it here.

After Mother's was finished with them the discoloration was gone and they look like chrome again. THAT worried me much but problem solved.

Your Tuner still has his end capp on!How can that be a comparison?Thats 4 rwhp right there.I'm sorry Ed but you Tuner is an Idiot! ;)

Tell him to remove the cap.Tell him to get ahold of chopper steve at v-mod and get his map for no-end cap.It is a good starting point.

Possibly an idiot since he was told so. Will take 'em all off and try. Will dyno and post. Forget the idiot. Just another guy.

ReDo
Not kidding. Forget the ST, you do not have them anymore. I find them so very ugly and sound so shitty that they seem out of the question, that's just ME and it does not mean anything. I'm really concerned with the TT's being so good in power. I don't want a long STRAIGHT pipe for this bike that's all. The TT looks awesome to me but the ST looks awful, go figure cause I won't. Even if people get some shitty JM and loose power I would care about the what and the why only. Tell me they look crappy, whatever, who cares? I do not! Still seem a better "look" than TT, another ME opinion that does nothing for anyones particular tastes. My own experience is great so far. And that is an objective opinion :confused: . I'd take signifcant hp gains over looks any day. There I go, another one!

I just want to play with the V-Rod like the toy that it is. It serves me and not the other way around. It is not a living, just a thing. I may very well phuck it up, you better believe that. I don't care enough and will not loose sleep over it. Is that such a bad mistaken thing to do? :kiss:

Nothing is personnal. Be objective as possible. Opinions will vary and should be discussed. I wouldn't care for anyone elses mere opinions and would not have mentioned any of it if not tried myself or known it would cause stresssssss. I value and respect yours because of the real world gains you have attained with the V-Rod, among other things. Just trying like everyone else I guess.

Did you notice much diff from ST to TT? Do we need Vinny for that one? (actually YES we do too)

Yes since I have done No Testing/Racing with Tuning with that combo!The New TT will be UPSWEPT LIKE YOU WANT BRO AND DISCOUNTED $200! :chair: :chair: :chair: :kaz:

I'm not to fond of upswept mufflers.They belong on cafe bikes.IMHO.
Eddy,
I like my ST's,but they are just a slip on,non-equal length.I am a junkie when it comes to power.That's 1 of the major reasons why I went with the TT's. :diablo: These boys look good you should see them in person,They scream horsepower.I can see in the design of the pipes where there is a HP gain.not just because they are equal length,but the way Sam designed and made.

I will be switching from the pcIIIr to the pcIIIusb.So that throws a comparision out the window.I am going with the PC for now until my tuner goes to RT school.

You need to see the ST's on an vrscA model,not an orange B.The ST's compliment the chrome on the bike.The B has satin finishes instead of chrome.

That's my :2cents:

Vinny what do you do for a Living?____________ thats what I thought! ;) You more then Most would know good quality and workmanship when it came to metal/design/fabrication/welding/etc! I don't have to be the spokes Model for Sam's Pipes. Vinny is frigging Pro so I think he should Know! :cool: Now if we could only see those pipes better on Dans Bike! :eek:

:diablo: :ride: ;)