With these BigBore kits such as the "V-Mod" Stage III, would one buy the kit and then have their local harley dealer install the kit or would you have to ship your motor to V-Mod to have the work done?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Ta2d

With these BigBore kits such as the "V-Mod" Stage III, would one buy the kit and then have their local harley dealer install the kit or would you have to ship your motor to V-Mod to have the work done?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Ta2d
I would have Only an Experience V-rod engine Builder do the Work for you.Someone who's Built a Few Big Bores first!Then make sure they're experienced Tuners with a Proper chassis Dyno.Not very many out there fit the Bill! :2cents:

Kaz... I was at the local hd shop yesterday getting a set of plugs for the V. While talking to one of the tech's found that Don tilly is doing the machine work and suppling them the needed parts for an 80 ic!!! Wouldn't get into the details but I'll try to stop by and poke my nose in and see what I can find. I'll try to keep this updated. ta2daf2rlife...Don is in NC and one of the top Vrod engine builders!!!!!

i believe that 80 inch is about the standard size for a BB.

With these BigBore kits such as the "V-Mod" Stage III, would one buy the kit and then have their local harley dealer install the kit or would you have to ship your motor to V-Mod to have the work done?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Ta2d
I had
chopper Steve do my bb as live only about an hour or so away from his shop,my numbers are125.5hp and 92fptq. very satified with everthing he did terry r PS chopper steve is v-mod

I had
chopper Steve do my bb as live only about an hour or so away from his shop,my numbers are125.5hp and 92fptq. very satified with ever thing he did terry r PS chopper steve is v-mod
How Much did he Charge for everything?

How Much did he Charge for everything?
About 3700.00 w/ him taking out the motor,but this is the stock thottle body and cams.Do you think thottle body and or cam work will give me any more mid range or is it all top end? thanks terry r

About 3700.00 w/ him taking out the motor,but this is the stock thottle body and cams.Do you think thottle body and or cam work will give me any more mid range or is it all top end? thanks terry r
Do You have a Race Tuner?If not get one. so with the RPM bumped 1000 more Yes about 15-20 rwhp! :kaz:

Do You have a Race Tuner?If not get one. so with the RPM bumped 1000 more Yes about 15-20 rwhp! :kaz:
Kaz I have the pciii,do you think there is any more power to be had just by 1000 more rpm and no more internal mods at this time? thanks terry r

Kaz I have the pciii,do you think there is any more power to be had just by 1000 more rpm and no more internal mods at this time? thanks terry r
what Pipes are you running?I know the TT's Loved the RPM and just keeped Pulling!It depends on you setup.Throttle boddies?Stock?Velocity stacks?Stock?Give me a Little more info. ;)

How Much did he Charge for everything?

Here are some prices from V-Mod website for various Big Bore Options, Look under V-Mod Products, V-Mod Racing:

"BIG BORE OPTION SHEET
BIG BORE KIT STD [ STOCK HEADS/CAMS] • 80 CI 130 HP[ AS HIGH AS] • HUGE LOW END TORQUE [ 88FTLBS AT 4K] • NEED POWERCOMMANDER OR RACETUNER • RECOMMEND SUPER TRAPP EXHAUST • STD REV LIMIT AND IDLE • NEED SE AIRFILTER PARTS LIST: 1]CK139 BIG BORE KIT $959.95 1]VM-BBINSTL BIG BORE INSTALL[ENG ONLY] $975.00 1]VM-CCBORE ""CRANK CASE BORE $950.00
TOTAL BASE PRICE $2884.95

BIG BORE KIT "STAGE-II" 140HP 93FTLBS TORQUE • OVERSIZED VALVES • CAMS .450 LIFT • 58mm THROTLE BODY • PORTED HEADS • MUST HAVE RACE TUNER PARTS LIST [ ADDITIONAL] 1]669X-1 CAMS $535.00 4]VM-CAMSPRK SLOT CAM SPROCK. $96.00 1]VM-HDCNC-1 PORTING VALVE INST $650.00 4]VM-F0211 41mm IN VALVE $99.80 4]VM-F0212 35.4mm EX VALVE $99.80 1]VM-58TB 58mm THROTTLE BODY $350.00
TOTAL WITH ADDITIONAL COST $4715.55

BIG BORE "STAGE-III" 150HP • CARRILLO RODS • VALVE SPRINGS • TITANIUM VALVE RETAINERS • HIGHER RPM • PARTS LIST • 1] VM-S10066 SPRING KIT $163.20 • 1]VM-E11041 TITANIUM RETAINERS $152.00 • 1]CAR007 RODS $575.00 • 1]VM-HDCNC-2 STAGE-III POERTING $750.00 • TOTAL $5705.75 "

Here are some prices from V-Mod website for various Big Bore Options, Look under V-Mod Products, V-Mod Racing:

"BIG BORE OPTION SHEET
BIG BORE KIT STD [ STOCK HEADS/CAMS] • 80 CI 130 HP[ AS HIGH AS] • HUGE LOW END TORQUE [ 88FTLBS AT 4K] • NEED POWERCOMMANDER OR RACETUNER • RECOMMEND SUPER TRAPP EXHAUST • STD REV LIMIT AND IDLE • NEED SE AIRFILTER PARTS LIST: 1]CK139 BIG BORE KIT $959.95 1]VM-BBINSTL BIG BORE INSTALL[ENG ONLY] $975.00 1]VM-CCBORE ""CRANK CASE BORE $950.00
TOTAL BASE PRICE $2884.95

BIG BORE KIT "STAGE-II" 140HP 93FTLBS TORQUE • OVERSIZED VALVES • CAMS .450 LIFT • 58mm THROTLE BODY • PORTED HEADS • MUST HAVE RACE TUNER PARTS LIST [ ADDITIONAL] 1]669X-1 CAMS $535.00 4]VM-CAMSPRK SLOT CAM SPROCK. $96.00 1]VM-HDCNC-1 PORTING VALVE INST $650.00 4]VM-F0211 41mm IN VALVE $99.80 4]VM-F0212 35.4mm EX VALVE $99.80 1]VM-58TB 58mm THROTTLE BODY $350.00
TOTAL WITH ADDITIONAL COST $4715.55

BIG BORE "STAGE-III" 150HP • CARRILLO RODS • VALVE SPRINGS • TITANIUM VALVE RETAINERS • HIGHER RPM • PARTS LIST • 1] VM-S10066 SPRING KIT $163.20 • 1]VM-E11041 TITANIUM RETAINERS $152.00 • 1]CAR007 RODS $575.00 • 1]VM-HDCNC-2 STAGE-III POERTING $750.00 • TOTAL $5705.75 "
Labor to R&R Take Motor Out and Re-install. :wazzup: Custome Tune on Chassis Dyno$300-???????
What about the CLUTCH?Chain Drive $500-$1000 Those are Gonna Be a Mandatory Upgrades, so those Prices are Just a START! :2cents:

Labor to R&R Take Motor Out and Re-install. :wazzup: Custome Tune on Chassis Dyno$300-???????
What about the CLUTCH?Chain Drive $500-$1000 Those are Gonna Be a Mandatory Upgrades, so those Prices are Just a START! :2cents:
Do you think for the Stg 1 upgrade you need a new clutch and chain drive? At what point do you think the cush and clutch can take the power.

Do you think for the Stg 1 upgrade you need a new clutch and chain drive? At what point do you think the cush and clutch can take the power.
No you could get away with Heavy Duty springs and the Stock Plates,but the Belt is On You!Most People who will be going Big Bore will be Running/Racing Them Very Hard.I know the WEAKEST link will Break first so You be the Judge! :2cents:

No you could get away with Heavy Duty springs and the Stock Plates,but the Belt is On You!Most People who will be going Big Bore will be Running/Racing Them Very Hard.I know the WEAKEST link will Break first so You be the Judge! :2cents:
I have already decided to go chain, but need assistance with a clutch setup.

I have already decided to go chain, but need assistance with a clutch setup.
Sam Has a Brand New one we are Testing on the Turbo Bike.So Far So Good!I will let you and the Rest of the World Know when it's ready and How Much!It's good to 190 rwhp So Far so I think You'll be OK! ;) 15 more RWHP Found on the Dyno Today and MORE to come! :dance:

Labor to R&R Take Motor Out and Re-install. :wazzup: Custome Tune on Chassis Dyno$300-???????
What about the CLUTCH?Chain Drive $500-$1000 Those are Gonna Be a Mandatory Upgrades, so those Prices are Just a START! :2cents:

I agree Kaz, I was thinking the same thing based on previous posts (mostly yours)! :stilpoke: I was just posting info from V-mod.
I hear that you need at least a clutch upgrade around 140hp if you plan on tapping all the power :moped:

I PERSONALLY ONLY HAVE 146 R.W.H.P. 3500 MILES 20 PASSES
ON THE TRACK, 4 DYNO TUNING SESSIONS. AND USE BARNETTS
EXTRA PLATE CARBON FIBER CLUTCH WITH 90 LB. SPRINGS AND
NO PROBLEMS SO FAR. :2cents:

Rick, we have that same clutch to 175 rwhp after that all you need to do is go to 100 lb. barnett springs with same clutch pac. it stiffins the lever a little but is still very ridable. that will get you to 203 rwhp. I haven't made any more hp than that yet!!!!!!!!

Paul, it's great to see you here. This forum always has a lot of great info and quality questions so if you see anything that would enhance you building my "badrod" just add them to the list. Thanks again Rick for hooking me up with Paul now that I got my local dealer back out of the mix Paul's promised to build me a street monster (as long as I get someone far more coordinated and about a 100lbs lighter to race it) right Paul!!! Jeff

Rick, we have that same clutch to 175 rwhp after that all you need to do is go to 100 lb. barnett springs with same clutch pac. it stiffins the lever a little but is still very ridable. that will get you to 203 rwhp. I haven't made any more hp than that yet!!!!!!!!
ENOUGH SAID!

Paul, it's great to see you here. This forum always has a lot of great info and quality questions so if you see anything that would enhance you building my "badrod" just add them to the list. Thanks again Rick for hooking me up with Paul now that I got my local dealer back out of the mix Paul's promised to build me a street monster (as long as I get someone far more coordinated and about a 100lbs lighter to race it) right Paul!!! Jeff
Hey Keep it in the Family! :helpme: I'm 150lbs, and would Love to Race Your Bike for Ya! :kaz: Plus I clean up real Nice! ;)Jeff it Should be a Beast when Paul's Finished ,but Your Gonna Need some High Hp V-rod Riding Lessons! :sinister: Let me Know I make House Calls! :thumb:

we found the MTC lock-up to be a "must" ,, 150hp thru a m/t shootout tire , the clutch was slipping off the line , then going out the window in 4th and 5th

we found the MTC lock-up to be a "must" ,, 150hp thru a m/t shootout tire , the clutch was slipping off the line , then going out the window in 4th and 5th

What combo do you have to get over 150hp?

What combo do you have to get over 150hp?

minor head work , cams , pistons , dyno tuned pipes , opened up the stock throttle bodies , replaced stock pump and injectors ,, I believe thats the extent of the laundry list ,,,, done by star ,, but lots was done "post star"

I'm running the same Barnett extra plate and 100lb spring package and haven't had any problems.

I'm just shy of 140 hp (135) because I want to ride it more and then dyno fine tune it.

ALSO, I'm using the stock belt. If anything happens I'll go to the newer belt that is in the 28 tooth kit. It's supposed to be as much as 2 times stronger.

Regards.

FYI

I'm having Chopper Steve do my s1430cc stage 2 stroker/big bore right now.

1/4" (6mm) stroked crank
Wiseco big bore
.480 lift cams, porting, throttlebody, race tuner, etc. and an extra plate clutch kit. I'll let you know how it comes out. I'll be using a Supertrapp. (total $8000 including shipping)

FYI

I'm having Chopper Steve do my s1430cc stage 2 stroker/big bore right now.

1/4" (6mm) stroked crank
Wiseco big bore
.480 lift cams, porting, throttlebody, race tuner, etc. and an extra plate clutch kit. I'll let you know how it comes out. I'll be using a Supertrapp. (total $8000 including shipping)
Dam!Your not messin around!Any guess on the RWHP you get for 8k? :eek:

FYI

I'm having Chopper Steve do my s1430cc stage 2 stroker/big bore right now.

1/4" (6mm) stroked crank
Wiseco big bore
.480 lift cams, porting, throttlebody, race tuner, etc. and an extra plate clutch kit. I'll let you know how it comes out. I'll be using a Supertrapp. (total $8000 including shipping)

SWEET, keep us updated on the progress! :thumb:

ALSO, I'm using the stock belt. If anything happens I'll go to the newer belt that is in the 28 tooth kit. It's supposed to be as much as 2 times stronger.

Regards.[/QUOTE


So the second generation belt 149 tooth variety is much stronger than the 150 tooth belt , where did you hear this???

links .....cut and paste

regards neil

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FYI

I'm having Chopper Steve do my s1430cc stage 2 stroker/big bore right now.

1/4" (6mm) stroked crank
Wiseco big bore
.480 lift cams, porting, throttlebody, race tuner, etc. and an extra plate clutch kit. I'll let you know how it comes out. I'll be using a Supertrapp. (total $8000 including shipping)
ARE THEY USING STROKER RODS?

No, Carillo Rods, stock length. The Pistons are Stroker Pistons.

Dam!Your not messin around!Any guess on the RWHP you get for 8k? :eek:
I believe it's to be 155 and 114 but don't know if it is at the rear wheel. it will be dynoed before it returns.

I believe it's to be 155 and 114 but don't know if it is at the rear wheel. it will be dynoed before it returns.

THAT SHOULD BE AT THE REAR WHEEL.

Is there different rod lenghts and piston pin location for strokers motors? Pros and cons of these setups?

Now there's a good question! The good people at Wiseco are using a two ring piston, which means you can move the wrist pin up with out moving the ring stack up. Then you can keep the stroke-rod ratio more in line with what has proven to work [ IMHO ]
Shorter Rods can work, its just so diffacult to get the spark curve spot on [ again, IMHO ]
Best: Steve

Diffacult?, now I know I had too many Beers!

This should be eaiser on the piston skirt and rings too.... How far are the pistons in the hole at tdc, and are both cylinders the same?... also how about clearance with valves?

Same Deck Height. Same Valve reliefs as the STD Big Bore Piston. We have 14:1 that are Gas Ported, That get a little close. But if you don't retard the exhaust too much, your golden.
thanks: Steve