Got V-Mod and Zippers. Anyone else doing this?
What would you choose and why?
What are turnaround times?
Heard of any problems?
What about EFI maps?
Get it going. :thumb:

eduarprmd this was put here after several request from members. It is still slow but as more people get the big bore kits installed I think traffic in this area will pickup.

Max

If the turnaround time is acceptable, and there must be a Race Tuner map involved, I'll send it to get done then discuss about it. I'll need the reassurance of no backorder mumbo jumbos and delays once they have my motor there with my $5000.00 (USD). If it's like the ME EXPERT and YOU ANOTHER type thing for that load of dough then sorry, I'm out until this resources are FUN to have done. I'm looking into buying the case thing to have modded while the kit arrives to have done here but they will not sell it alone. I'll ask Jose for the specifics, maybe someone could be helpful. I'm sorry but having my V-Rod sidelined for an undisclosed amount of time is criminal on my soul and while I'd love to have this done it's not such a bad itch. It ain't broke and fun still is, even bone stock and mine is not.

Tilley's HD builds Big Bore Motors for the Likes of Tripp Nobles"AHDRA #1 Last year".
Sam@Turbo Tec USA/Cycle dynamics builds them for Terry Vaughan"AHDRA #1 and record holder as of the Last Race" and is Building Mine! :thumb:
Not sure what a Base BB Motor Runs but the Race one's are ALLOT more then 5k! :eek:
Ed,
if Your Serious I can talk to Sam about an Internationally "RUSHED Less then a Month"Big Bore Motor and How Much? :thumb:

HERE'S MY FINAL TUNE AFTER RACING,IF YOU SEEN MY POST'S
YOU SAW A LOSS OF H.P.(BECAUSE OF CONDITIONS) WELL IT'S
BACK. ZIPPERS HEADS,THROTTLE BODY,STACKS,WIESCO B.B.,
WEB CAMS,PUMP GAS,4300FT CORRECTED ALT. 87.9 DEGREES 27.39 BAR.
:plause:

Thats amazing Rick, how street-able is this thing?

Thats amazing Rick, how street-able is this thing?
VERY,VERY, STREETABLE GOT 2500 STREET MILES,ADDING MORE EVERY DAY.
THE NEW CAM REALLY MADE A DIFFERANCE ON THE STREET. ALOT
EASIER TO START,TAKES OFF LIKE A ROCKET ABOVE 3000 RPM. :plause:

Another place to check into if interested is eagleharley.com in LaFayette, Indiana as they have many BB parts and others such as CNC ported heads, custom velocity stacks, Web Cams, 58mm & 61mm TB's, oil pan extenders, swingarms with built in air tanks so you don't have any warts hanging off the side of your bike, and STROKER CRANKS plus 6mm. Lots of other stuff as well. All this with prices of each to boot.

Also have dyno charts of some of there work posted. How does 188.2 hp and 128.3 fttq sound

Max:

To answer your question about how streetable it is I would say that in my experience it is very streetable. HOWEVER it is also VERY THIRSTY too. You just can't resist doing some roll on's in 4th or 5th gear. You can actually see the gas guage go down. HA HA !!

Here's some intersting info for you to consider before you do the job.

Zippers was going to put a big injector on a stock bike $300 (+-) exchange. Thaey are convinced that the base motor has a ton more untapped potential.

Also they think cleaning up the heads as opposed to doing a full port and polish job isn't worth the money for a street motor for the incremental performance increase compared with the stock system. OF course they will be more than glad to take your money.

Regards.

bb with a 6mm stroke is 1430 cc 87ci

PLEASE BE AWARE THAT ALL RACING MOTORS BY TILLEY AND EAGLE
RUN STROKERS, AT LEAST TILLEYS HAS GONE BACK TO A NON STROKER
BECAUSE OF CLASS RULE CHANGES IN AHDRA. EAGLE STILL RUNS A STROKER
THAT IDLES AT 2000 RPM. NOT A STREETABLE APPLICATION. :sad:

Rick,

Thanks for the info on the strokers. I was just trying to provide the ones looking for BB options some additional brain jam. Hopefully in the future someone will figure out a streetable stroker.

Ken

Rick,

Thanks for the info on the strokers. I was just trying to provide the ones looking for BB options some additional brain jam. Hopefully in the future someone will figure out a streetable stroker.

Ken
KEN
GOOD INFO,JUST LETTING EVERYONE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.THEY
ALSO USE A 4.350 BORE INSTEAD OF 4.250 BORE WIESCO OFFERS.
(EAGLE H.D. THAT IS.) :plause:

That is great news about the handling of the beast, I was afraid that to get the kind of numbers your pulling that it might get a little bit of a temperament about normal driving. Thanks again for the feedback.

I guess we could look at the AHDRA rule books to see IF the additional bore size would be a problem in the class. I THINK it would be so be adivsed BEFORE you go this route.

As a street option, it would be JUST FINE !!!

Rick What pipes are you running on your Big Bore??

What are the torque and horsepower numbers?

Regards.

Here are some of Ricks numbers as posted in another thread.

Tilley's HD builds Big Bore Motors for the Likes of Tripp Nobles"AHDRA #1 Last year".
Sam@Turbo Tec USA/Cycle dynamics builds them for Terry Vaughan"AHDRA #1 and record holder as of the Last Race" and is Building Mine! :thumb:
Not sure what a Base BB Motor Runs but the Race one's are ALLOT more then 5k! :eek:
Ed,
if Your Serious I can talk to Sam about an Internationally "RUSHED Less then a Month"Big Bore Motor and How Much? :thumb:
OK serious I am. No rush on the decision. When I see the thing apart, then I'll get anxious. Whenever you get a chance could you please ask Sam? I mean what's his turnaround time? Is he a man of his word? What's the cost? What cams does he reccomend? Hey! What cams would anyone here reccomend? Whatever he answers you Kaz will be fine by me no strings attached just Sam and me but you know the guy and that always counts.

I'm just concerned with stories of three months for wheels and such. Puerto Rico is a US territory with US military bases, UPS, US mail, same currency, even ice cream :rolleyes: ! Whenever I try ordering mainland stuff I find roadblocks. I have my own little list of people I order from just because they ship the way they say to PR same as others, this with the V-Rod is new ground and I'm scared $hitless of past horror stories recurring. I already know one I will not be ordering a BB kit from after thinking these were the ones. BadRod praises some mirrors I've been wanting for a while, I order 4/28, UPS? "Oh yes we can!" Two weeks and I'm desperate cause I cannot see. E-mail and on 5/17 the answer back ordered from Italy or do I even care? No! As soon as they knew they should have said so. I don't wanna have to ask. Nobody has to with me with what I do, so! Whatever. Can you imagine how bad it could turn out with $5000 bucks? Hey forget the 5k, what about peace of mind? I tried but I'm not stupid , the mirrors were not charged and they were my try at the BB from them as first choice. WRONG!!!

Sam seems like such a decent person many times mentioned. Everyone is happy with their business at TT that for the same reason I'd rather order from them as well. Zippers is on my happy responsible list too. Sam is a smaller business and I'd rather support that usually. I could do this, I'll be very careful though. The luxury of a V-Rod being appart for six months would drive me nuts.

OK serious I am. No rush on the decision. When I see the thing apart, then I'll get anxious. Whenever you get a chance could you please ask Sam? I mean what's his turnaround time? Is he a man of his word? What's the cost? What cams does he reccomend? Hey! What cams would anyone here reccomend? Whatever he answers you Kaz will be fine by me no strings attached just Sam and me but you know the guy and that always counts.

I'm just concerned with stories of three months for wheels and such. Puerto Rico is a US territory with US military bases, UPS, US mail, same currency, even ice cream :rolleyes: ! Whenever I try ordering mainland stuff I find roadblocks. I have my own little list of people I order from just because they ship the way they say to PR same as others, this with the V-Rod is new ground and I'm scared shitless of past horror stories recurring. I already know one I will not be ordering a BB kit from after thinking these were the ones. BadRod praises some mirrors I've been wanting for a while, I order 4/28, UPS? "Oh yes we can!" Two weeks and I'm desperate cause I cannot see. E-mail and on 5/17 the answer back ordered from Italy or do I even care? No! As soon as they knew they should have said so. I don't wanna have to ask. Nobody has to with me with what I do, so! Whatever. Today 6/19 I have not cancelled and I'm gonna but very certain it's not a V-Mod BB kit on mine because they care so much for the client I still do not have the mirrors or at least follow up on measly 350 bucks. Can you imagine how bad it could turn out with $5000 bucks? Hey forget the 5k, what about peace of mind? I tried but I'm not some pendejo wet behind the ears really, the mirrors were not charged and they were my try at the BB from them as first choice. WRONG!!!

Sam seems like such a decent person many times mentioned. Everyone is happy with their business at TT that for the same reason I'd rather order from them as well. Zippers is on my happy responsible list too. Sam is a smaller business and I'd rather support that usually. I could do this, I'll be very careful though. The luxury of a V-Rod being appart for six months would drive me nuts.
Ed,
I will talk to him for you ASAP! :thumb:

Ed,
I will talk to him for you ASAP! :thumb:
Appreciatted much!

(Apologise cut and pasted with names above. Edited out.)

Just To Clairify The Numbers I Posted Are For The 4.25 Wiesco
Big Bore Which Is Legal In Ahdra. The Bored Throttle Body Is
Not Legal (ask Trip Nobles). Engine Displacment Is Defined By
Engine Size,how Ever You Get There Is Your Choice.(stroker,4.350
Bore,etc.) :(

Rick What pipes are you running on your Big Bore??

What are the torque and horsepower numbers?

Regards.
D AND D PIPES PIC'S IN 1/4 MILE MY PERSONAL BEST THREAD.
RICK :plause:

Just To Clairify The Numbers I Posted Are For The 4.25 Wiesco
Big Bore Which Is Legal In Ahdra. The Bored Throttle Body Is
Not Legal""" (ask Trip Nobles)""" :spank: . Engine Displacment Is Defined By
Engine Size,how Ever You Get There Is Your Choice.(stroker,4.350
Bore,etc.) :(
OUCH! ;) :kaz:

Rick:

Thanks for your response on the pipes. I need to decide what I am going to do in this area.

I have a friend that likes to be as competitive too. He has a 2000 Deuce with a new 113" Jims twin cam motor and all of the trick goodies in it AND a six speed.

I have "spanked him" with my Fat Boy a couple of times when the twin cam motors and performance stuff were real new. So he was ready to play with me with his new toy.

What he didn't know was that I had done the Big Bore thing on my V-Rod. SOOO -- off we went to a quieter place to see what was what.

He was able to pull about 2 bike lengths on me at the mid and end of each 3rd and 4th gear range up to about 100mph. But in the end he couldn't pull away from me more than the 2 bike length.

So to be formitable with him in the future, I think I need some more torque now 87.8 (tricked SE2's) to his 123.

I am running the 29 tooth sprocket and the 58 mil injectors. So a 28 tooth more intake air and some Super Trapp or D&D's may just do it.

He was a little rattled since he thinks the V-Rod is stock and I was able to stay with him better than our other riding buds who also have tricked twin cam motors.

It was fun which is what it's all about.

Regards.

eduarprmd:

If you are getting serious about doing a big bore the other issue is how to dyno tune your new motor. Sending your whole bike back to the states would be REAL EXPENSIVE I would bet.

Also the more experienced builers;

Zippers, Tilley's, Eagle V-Mod and some others have some real seat time in what NOT to do as well as what to do.

From a cost perspective --all other things being equal --Chopper Steve at V-Mod would be a good choice.

Regards.

That is great news about the handling of the beast, I was afraid that to get the kind of numbers your pulling that it might get a little bit of a temperament about normal driving. Thanks again for the feedback.
MAX,
COMPLETED A 250 MILE BLAST THIS WEEKEND AND I MUST SAY
THE NEW CAMS MADE A NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERANCE ON THE ROAD.
THE ENGINE IS MUCH HAPPIER THAN WITH THE STROKER CAMS.
A LITTLE MORE VIBRATION AT 60 MPH.ABOVE OR BELOW SMOOTH
AS STOCK. GOT 35 MILES TO THE GALLON OBEING THE POSTED SPEED
LIMIT.AND CAN GO FROM 60 TO 100 WITH A TWIST OF THE WRIST.
WHAT A BLAST. :plause: I COULD'NT BE HAPPIER..
RICK

Rick:
you just answered one of the questions I forgot. --what mileage are you getting??

I am getting 35 mpg too WITH a few hard twists between tank fillups. In your experience does the mileage get better as the motor gets more miles on it--kinda like when it was new and stock??

Regards.

Rick:
you just answered one of the questions I forgot. --what mileage are you getting??

I am getting 35 mpg too WITH a few hard twists between tank fillups. In your experience does the mileage get better as the motor gets more miles on it--kinda like when it was new and stock??

Regards.
I'AM ALMOST AT 3000 MILES SINCE THE BIG BORE, I REALLY DON'T
EXPECT MUCH MORE,I COULD TUNE IT AT THE SPEEDS I CRUISE AT
AND GAIN 2-3 MPG BUT I REALLY LIKE THE WAY IT RUNS NOW.
I CAN LIVE WITH 35 MPG.(I EXPECTED LOWER NUMBERS)

Rick,

Thanks for the info on the strokers. I was just trying to provide the ones looking for BB options some additional brain jam. Hopefully in the future someone will figure out a streetable stroker.

Ken
KEN
I MUST ADMIT AN ERROR ON MY PART. THERE IS 4.25 STROKER(6 MM)
BIG BORES ON THE STREET. 2 OF THEM. SOON TO BE THREE.
ACCORDING TO EAGLE H.D.AFTER TALKING IT OVER WITH MY BOSS
ONCE I HAVE 5000 MILES ON MY CURRENT BIG BORE I CAN STROKE
MINE. ORDERED THE PISTONS TODAY, WORKING ON GETTING THE
CRANK SOONER THAN FALICON ( 3 MONTHS ) CAN DO IT.
SORRY FOR THE MISS INFO.

Another place to check into if interested is eagleharley.com in LaFayette, Indiana as they have many BB parts and others such as CNC ported heads, custom velocity stacks, Web Cams, 58mm & 61mm TB's, oil pan extenders, swingarms with built in air tanks so you don't have any warts hanging off the side of your bike, and STROKER CRANKS plus 6mm. Lots of other stuff as well. All this with prices of each to boot.

Also have dyno charts of some of there work posted. How does 188.2 hp and 128.3 fttq sound

Yeah, they did my engine and I have been super pleased. Peter

Peter,

What kind of combo did you have them put in yours and what kind of numbers are you getting.

Thanks
Ken

4.250 bore, webber cams, head work, some internal mods on the SE exhaust, Dyer rods and proper mapping on their dyno. After a few hundred miles I went back on the dyno and made some final adjustments to lean it out slightly. I have nothing but the highest praise for Paul Deiter @ Eagle HD. If I had your email adress I`d send you the dyno printouts.

I just looked at my dyno sheet. I`m making 132.7 RWHP and 94RWTQ. I did go to Daytona this spring and went over to Deland airport to the all Harley drags on Thursday. I raced every bike there and had a field day. This motor was built for the street, I only took it over there to see what it would do. I turned a 10.0 @ 133 mph, not to bad for a 220 lb. plus leathers, etc. I am 64 years old and this was the first time I was on a drag strip. Just think what some lighter youngster like KAZ could have done. I like to run it on the streets and no one has gone by it yet though I`m sure someone will eventually.

I just looked at my dyno sheet. I`m making 132.7 RWHP and 94RWTQ. I did go to Daytona this spring and went over to Deland airport to the all Harley drags on Thursday. I raced every bike there and had a field day. This motor was built for the street, I only took it over there to see what it would do. I turned a 10.0 @ 133 mph, not to bad for a 220 lb. plus leathers, etc. I am 64 years old and this was the first time I was on a drag strip. Just think what some lighter youngster like KAZ could have done. I like to run it on the streets and no one has gone by it yet though I`m sure someone will eventually.
Thats Cheating"Sea Level Track" come up here in this Heat 9000ft+air density .Thats a Very Good Number for that Bike!It that with a Slick and wheelie bar or with your street tire setup?If it's legal for AHDRA I'll race her for you"we have 3 events in Vegas"!Post some Pics of Your Rocket Ship! :thumb:

That`s a street tire with low pressure. No wheelie bar. I don`t know how to post p
ictures, computers are not my thing, yet. I suppose I`ll have to learn.
I did let Jamie McNaughton ride it over at Gainsville a couple of days later but not in competition and he was pretty impressed. He rides the drag bike for Eagle HD. He is also an engineer at HD and sometimes speaks on this site. If I ever get to Vegas I`d be happy to have you give it a run. I`m sure you could break 10.

That`s a street tire with low pressure. No wheelie bar. I don`t know how to post p
ictures, computers are not my thing, yet. I suppose I`ll have to learn.
I did let Jamie McNaughton ride it over at Gainsville a couple of days later but not in competition and he was pretty impressed. He rides the drag bike for Eagle HD. He is also an engineer at HD and sometimes speaks on this site. If I ever get to Vegas I`d be happy to have you give it a run. I`m sure you could break 10.
Thats a Very Nice Setup you have to Run that Kind of number.Is that with an airshifter?Is That a 1420"big motor"?Who Built it"EagleHD"?Ya I know the Mac! " Jamie Mc Naughton" :spank: ;)

Kaz, no air shifter. I always was a quick "shifter" but I`ll bet air would pickup at least .2-.5, it doesn`t make mistakes. It`s a 1340 motor built by Eagle HD. I am in the process of trying a couple of new ideas. Bike should be ready to test after the 4th.

HERE'S THE FINAL TUNE BEFORE THE TRACK.4.350 BORE 6MM STROKE.
84.2 DEG, 25% HUMID. 27.06 BAR. PRESS. 5120 CORRECTED ALT. :dance:
164.89 H.P. 116.72 TQ. DYNO SHEET POSTED IN DYNO THREAD.

Rick those are super #'s :plause: that's a streetable motor for around $6000? When are you going to the track? Thanks Greg

Rick those are super #'s :plause: that's a streetable motor for around $6000? When are you going to the track? Thanks Greg
NO THIS IS A STROKER MOTOR WITH 4.350 BORE,IT'S OUR DEDICATED
DRAG ROD.WE RACE ON SAT. THE 3RD. I WILL POST RESULTS.

Rick.... are you saying it's more?

Rick.... are you saying it's more?
I'd Think he has a LITTLE MORE then 6K into that Motor would'nt You Rick! :stilpoke:

It's Monday. How'd it do Rick? :hyper:

It's Monday. How'd it do Rick? :hyper:

WELL KINDA DEPENDS, 10.07 AT 134.56 MPH. FIRST RUN OUT OF THE
GATE. WE RUN A MULTI-STAGE LOCK UP CLUTCH, WITH A TWO STEP
REV LIMITER, SO PETE (RIDER) CAN LEAVE WITH A BUTTON.
AFTER THE FIRST RUN WE GAVE IT MORE CLUTCH, THEN WILD $HIT
STARTED HAPPENING LAUNCHING TOWARDS THE WALL,BACK WHEEL
SPINNING HARD AT HALF TRACK.NEXT RUN GOT IT TO LEAVE STRIAGHT
BANGED THE REV LIMITER (TIRE SPIN) GOT THE CLUTCH AND EVERY
THING WORKING 1.40 60FT. 4.250 330FT. 6.40 1/8.ON THE LIMITER AGAIN
SO FAR FROM THE FINISH LINE THAT PETE SHUT IT DOWN. COASTED
TO A 10.52 TO MUCH GEAR.ALL IN ALL AT LEAST WE'VE GOT MOST OF IT
FIGURED OUT.NEED TALLER GEARING THEN THE NUMBERS
WILL COME.(WHICH WE HAVE) SHOCKED THE RIDER ON THE LAST RUN CAUSE IT LEFT SO HARD.TRYING TO GET THAT POWER TO THE GROUND IS
NOT AS EASY AS PEOPLE THINK.MORE TESTING IN A WEEK.
:)

WELL KINDA DEPENDS, 10.07 AT 134.56 MPH. FIRST RUN OUT OF THE
GATE. WE RUN A MULTI-STAGE LOCK UP CLUTCH, WITH A TWO STEP
REV LIMITER, SO PETE (RIDER) CAN LEAVE WITH A BUTTON.
AFTER THE FIRST RUN WE GAVE IT MORE CLUTCH, THEN WILD $HIT
STARTED HAPPENING LAUNCHING TOWARDS THE WALL,BACK WHEEL
SPINNING HARD AT HALF TRACK.NEXT RUN GOT IT TO LEAVE STRIAGHT
BANGED THE REV LIMITER (TIRE SPIN) GOT THE CLUTCH AND EVERY
THING WORKING 1.40 60FT. 4.250 330FT. 6.40 1/8.ON THE LIMITER AGAIN
SO FAR FROM THE FINISH LINE THAT PETE SHUT IT DOWN. COASTED
TO A 10.52 TO MUCH GEAR.ALL IN ALL AT LEAST WE'VE GOT MOST OF IT
FIGURED OUT.NEED TALLER GEARING THEN THE NUMBERS
WILL COME.(WHICH WE HAVE) SHOCKED THE RIDER ON THE LAST RUN CAUSE IT LEFT SO HARD.TRYING TO GET THAT POWER TO THE GROUND IS
NOT AS EASY AS PEOPLE THINK.MORE TESTING IN A WEEK.
:)
I went 10.00's 20 times Last Year Trying everything never Putting a Full Clean Pass!I should have Gone 9.30's with my 1.362 60ft, 3.872 330ft Then hurt the Tranny! :banghead: Gone 137 is Best MPH at 9000ft Air! ;)

WELL KINDA DEPENDS, 10.07 AT 134.56 MPH. FIRST RUN OUT OF THE
GATE. WE RUN A MULTI-STAGE LOCK UP CLUTCH, WITH A TWO STEP
REV LIMITER, SO PETE (RIDER) CAN LEAVE WITH A BUTTON.
AFTER THE FIRST RUN WE GAVE IT MORE CLUTCH, THEN WILD $HIT
STARTED HAPPENING LAUNCHING TOWARDS THE WALL,BACK WHEEL
SPINNING HARD AT HALF TRACK.NEXT RUN GOT IT TO LEAVE STRIAGHT
BANGED THE REV LIMITER (TIRE SPIN) GOT THE CLUTCH AND EVERY
THING WORKING 1.40 60FT. 4.250 330FT. 6.40 1/8.ON THE LIMITER AGAIN
SO FAR FROM THE FINISH LINE THAT PETE SHUT IT DOWN. COASTED
TO A 10.52 TO MUCH GEAR.ALL IN ALL AT LEAST WE'VE GOT MOST OF IT
FIGURED OUT.NEED TALLER GEARING THEN THE NUMBERS
WILL COME.(WHICH WE HAVE) SHOCKED THE RIDER ON THE LAST RUN CAUSE IT LEFT SO HARD.TRYING TO GET THAT POWER TO THE GROUND IS
NOT AS EASY AS PEOPLE THINK.MORE TESTING IN A WEEK.
:)


Sounds scary, you'll get it. Before you know it we'll be calling you Super Rick.

Rick, You should be running a final gear ratio around 2.5 - 2.65 these bikes like tall gearing seems like it loads motor more about 50-75 ft. from line but bike will run better up to 330. while you work on yuo clutch,tire(preasure and temp.) and gearing only run bike to 330 mark. Thats the only place you need to go fast al the rest of the way your just riding along pushing a button.So don't waste your motor making full passes. also you can short shift 3-4 about 200 rpm and 4-5 about 350 rpm from your 1-2 / 2-3

KEN
I MUST ADMIT AN ERROR ON MY PART. THERE IS 4.25 STROKER(6 MM)
BIG BORES ON THE STREET. 2 OF THEM. SOON TO BE THREE.
ACCORDING TO EAGLE H.D.AFTER TALKING IT OVER WITH MY BOSS
ONCE I HAVE 5000 MILES ON MY CURRENT BIG BORE I CAN STROKE
MINE. ORDERED THE PISTONS TODAY, WORKING ON GETTING THE
CRANK SOONER THAN FALICON ( 3 MONTHS ) CAN DO IT.
SORRY FOR THE MISS INFO.

Well, if you're in a hurry you could ask Eagle HD if they have a stroked crank in stock, or buy a Billet Stroker Crank. The OEM crank can be stroked 1/4", but the Billet comes in 1/4" and 1/2" stroke. Can't use stock-size rods in the 1/2" stroker.

The 1/4" stroker requires you to use shorter rods or a piston with an offset pin. The 1/2" stroker requires both to be used. But Falicon has Titanium Rods and custom JE pistons for the kit. Eagle HD can get you all this stuff.

Disclaimer: I work for Falicon, but I'm NOT very smart. I'm just their web guy. Paul Diener of Eagle HD know MUCH more about V-Rods than I do. :kaz:

Well, if you're in a hurry you could ask Eagle HD if they have a stroked crank in stock, or buy a Billet Stroker Crank. The OEM crank can be stroked 1/4", but the Billet comes in 1/4" and 1/2" stroke. Can't use stock-size rods in the 1/2" stroker.

The 1/4" stroker requires you to use shorter rods or a piston with an offset pin. The 1/2" stroker requires both to be used. But Falicon has Titanium Rods and custom JE pistons for the kit. Eagle HD can get you all this stuff.

Disclaimer: I work for Falicon, but I'm NOT very smart. I'm just their web guy. Paul Diener of Eagle HD know MUCH more about V-Rods than I do. :kaz:
BEEN WORKING WITH PAUL FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND HAVE THIER AND YOUR
PARTS ON OUR DRAG ROD. (JUST SENT ANOTHER CRANK). :mrgr:

WELL JUST GOT A LETTER FROM ZIPPERS STATING THEY HAVE HAD
TWO VALVE SPRING FAILURES ON THEIR RACE HEADS. FOR SOME REASON
THEY ARE THE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT LOW LIFT APPLICATION CAMS.
FERREA IS REPLACING THEM FREE OF CHARGE ALTHOUGH NO LABOR IS OFFERED.SO BACK IN THE MOTOR I GO,WHILE I'AM THERE STROKE IT OR
NOT?
:hmm:

Go for it,Rick :thumb:

Thanks for the tip on the heads.That's the stage II right?
I just got a line on some zipper's stage II heads today :mrgr: I'm gonna go back friday and ask if they know about this situation.

Well, if you're in a hurry you could ask Eagle HD if they have a stroked crank in stock, or buy a Billet Stroker Crank. The OEM crank can be stroked 1/4", but the Billet comes in 1/4" and 1/2" stroke. Can't use stock-size rods in the 1/2" stroker.

The 1/4" stroker requires you to use shorter rods or a piston with an offset pin. The 1/2" stroker requires both to be used. But Falicon has Titanium Rods and custom JE pistons for the kit. Eagle HD can get you all this stuff.

Disclaimer: I work for Falicon, but I'm NOT very smart. I'm just their web guy. Paul Diener of Eagle HD know MUCH more about V-Rods than I do. :kaz:
Ken,
I have you Ti Rods in my Turbo Bike and if Things Go well maybe a Few More of Your Goodies for my New Motor! :notworth: Paul Call Me!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sinister:

Gettin interesting!

Go for it,Rick :thumb:

Thanks for the tip on the heads.That's the stage II right?
I just got a line on some zipper's stage II heads today :mrgr: I'm gonna go back friday and ask if they know about this situation.
YES STAGE TWO.THEY WILL REPLACE THE SPRINGS UNTILL
OCT.31.THEY DON'T HAVE THEM IN STOCK YET!

2 weeks and counting before I tear into this thing and go crazy. I got to get my wheels on, my new paint job with Breathless fender and then the motor comes out.

There are more Big Bore motors than Zippers stuff that have the "spring problem" going on.

That's what happens when we run on the cutting edge.

There are more Big Bore motors than Zippers stuff that have the "spring problem" going on.

That's what happens when we run on the cutting edge.
YA,THATS WHAT PAUL TOLD ME I HAVE THE SAME SPRINGS
IN HIS HEADS, WILL REPLACE WHEN HE GETS THEM. :hmm:

Well guys, one thing to add. For you guys thinking of a big bore kit: Many years back, when the Honda 750 4cyl. was still a big time bike, a buddy of mine had the Honda and I had a Kawasaki 750 2 cyl. At 55 mph, in high gear, we would each get on the throttle and I would walk away and leave him in the dust. Later he put in the 883 big bore (and stroke I think) kit. We tried the same experiement. I was alone and he had a girl on the back. He ran away from me like I as sitting still. So, my guess is that adding 10 or so cubes to a v-rod will paste a grin on your face that should last for at least a year.

back in '72, I did the same with my 650 BSA. Put a Sonny Routt 750 cylinder kit on it (the only one he ever made for a BSA - see below) and grinned for two whole weeks, racing my buddy's Commando (and staying with him clear up to redline in 4th).
Then I noticed a little (more than normal) oil coming out of the cylinder head area, tore it down, and discovered that one of the sleeves had come loose, was machining itself on the flywheel, and had come down to just meet the top ring at TDC. Another couple of minutes and I would have heard a loud noise, followed by a long period of silence. Had a spare cylinder piston kit on hand and went back to 650 cc.
The only thing more dramatic than the increase in displacement, was the subsequent decrease. The bike had those 650 cylinders in it when I sold it last summer.

Paul D. from Eagle HD just loaded up my recently restored Badrod into his trailer this afternoon to take it back to Indiana. He has an open checkbook to make it as bad as it can be with “dependable” and “streetable” as the only restrictions. I can’t wait to see what they come up with. I’ll keep you posted as to what they finally decide to do. This comes straight from Paul (not me) “we’ll be over 150HP and under 10 seconds”. They are going to take it to their local track before they bring it back to me so I’ll post the slips and we’ll all see. For those of you who are interested in doing something similar Paul has been absolutely great to do business with, friendly, helpful and sincerely concerned. I must have asked him 100 stupid questions but he answered them all. I am completely confident that they will blow me away. Jeff

As I said before Paul at Eagle HD did my engine and I couldn`t have been more pleased. They had "Open Checkbook" at that time and the bill was more than fair. My work was done over a year ago. He and Dan Bell are super people.

As I said before Paul at Eagle HD did my engine and I couldn`t have been more pleased. They had "Open Checkbook" at that time and the bill was more than fair. My work was done over a year ago. He and Dan Bell are super people.
SURE WISH HE'D RETURN MY CALL'S! :helpme:

Kaz, he's been down here in Florida on vacation and he's just now on his way back so maybe you will hear from him soon. Jeff

Kaz, he's been down here in Florida on vacation and he's just now on his way back so maybe you will hear from him soon. Jeff
I talked with Him just before he Left.He said he'd call me in a day or so?I've PM'd him also!Guess He's Dosen't have time for me! :mad:

You know Kaz you could hardly blame him. He has an opportunity to work on the Badrod so he has to be single minded in his focus. :ride: Jeff

You know Kaz you could hardly blame him. He has an opportunity to work on the Badrod so he has to be single minded in his focus. :ride: Jeff
Yes Jeff You Have Stolen My LIGHT! :sad:

Somehow I don't think that is quite possible! :surrender

SURE WISH HE'D RETURN MY CALL'S! :helpme:
Patience grasshopper :slap:

Patience grasshopper :slap:
Ya I'm Working On That One! :rolleyes: :banghead:

It will probally be a few days before he contacts you. He just left our facility on Monday with our bike and will not be back at his dealership till next week.

Ernie
www.BreathlessPerformance.com

Well Tuned The Bike Got 172 H.p. And 117 Lbs Torq. Made Our
First Run Of The Day And Broke An Intake Valve Off At The
Front Head.have To Get Mine Ready For A Four Day Race.
Will Post What We Find In A Week! Dam Racing Is Fun. :(

Well Tuned The Bike Got 172 H.p. And 117 Lbs Torq. Made Our
First Run Of The Day And Broke An Intake Valve Off At The
Front Head.have To Get Mine Ready For A Four Day Race.
Will Post What We Find In A Week! Dam Racing Is Fun. :(

That's GREAT, Rick! :thumb: Was that a stock valve?

That's GREAT, Rick! :thumb: Was that a stock valve?
NO, EAGLE H.D. 2ND TIME.

That's GREAT, Rick! :thumb: Was that a stock valve?
It's Great that It Broke? :whack: Talk to Our Friend Swine From Australia he Got some Pretty Trick Stuff for Our Heads Rick! :whack: Might be Worth a Try. ;)

Nooooo, not great that it broke :whack: :rofl: Great that he turned 172 H.p. And 117 Lbs Torq!!! :bash:

Well,getting My Motor Ready To Race Pulled The Heads
Rear Cyl. One Broken Intake Spring.will Pull The Front Latter
Today. My Heads Are The Zipper Race Heads.(they Sent New
Springs.)wondering How Long It's Been Broke? Never Noticed
Any Performance Loss. E.t.or Dyno.4200 Miles 20 Runs On The Strip.
Did Notice Almost A Lean Smothness Riding It.ANOTHER BROKEN SPRING
ON THE FRONT ALSO,BUT TOOK OUT ONE VALVE.(BENT AT THE STEM)
ZIPPERS HAS BEEN GREAT TO DEAL WITH, NEW VALVE ON THE WAY. :)

Well,getting My Motor Ready To Race Pulled The Heads
Rear Cyl. One Broken Intake Spring.will Pull The Front Latter
Today. My Heads Are The Zipper Race Heads.(they Sent New
Springs.)wondering How Long It's Been Broke? Never Noticed
Any Performance Loss. E.t.or Dyno.4200 Miles 20 Runs On The Strip.
Did Notice Almost A Lean Smothness Riding It.
Why did it happen, did they assemble the heads for you?

Why did it happen, did they assemble the heads for you?
YES THEY ASSB.THEM GO BACK TO MY PREVIOUS POST ABOUT
ZIPPERS LETTER TO ME ABOUT THE SPRINGS. THEY ARE AWARE
OF THE PROBLEM. THEY SENT NEW ONES.

:thumb: hello together
I'm one of the only BB V-Roders in Switzerland and still looking for more power.

Here my first step results on the Quartermile
60ft 1.713
1/8 7.222 Speed 96.98
1/4 11.389 Speed 115.98

Was fun and i think i'll do it again.

:kaz:

:driving: :driving:
Could be more sooner or later
but much more fun than before
:rofl:

:vrod:

Anyone know a good shop in southern california to do a BB? I haven't even picked my bike up and you guys have got me thinking already. I guess I am a speed whore.

No one knows of a shop in So Cal that does Big Bore kits?

this was yesterdaydid some messing around with it ... Don't know what the hell that power loss is at the Low side, cause you can't feel it or hear it ??? I got there right after this one was done, so I didnt see him on the throttle either? Race tuner is on the way to straighten the line out ( w/ 4 races left he he he crazy...) - 1318cc Zippers kit - 500 lift cam 58mm throttlebody FAIC exhaust, K&N Topless, Stage 2 head work. DFO. PMFR wheels with 200 series Avon venom.

still running the STOCK computer settings until the program gets here for the tech. Zippers said with just the top end stuff it should make upwards of 160hp, so that tuner will need a miracle to make up that kind of #'s. No torque#'s just a quickie deal. Going to test it at the races tommorrow with the new tune and the DFO . ( what there is of it ) will post video and info Tommorrow night .


Wish us luck....we have 4 races left to hold on to our lead!

Later ! Rob

Get that RT,and it'll wake up a monster.Local dealer here got 146hp and 100lbs torque,with a VERY similar setup.

Get that RT,and it'll wake up a monster.Local dealer here got 146hp and 100lbs torque,with a VERY similar setup.
I cant freekin wait!

I cant freekin wait!

GET THE TUNER, I GET 146 H.P. AND 97LBS OF TORQ.WITH THE EXACT
SET UP.

I SAID I WOULD POST WHAT I FOUND IF ANYTHING WHEN TEARING DOWN
TO STROKE HER. FIRST I DID SAY IN ANOTHER THREAD THAT MY LAST RUN
AT THE TRACK IT POPPED OUT OF FIFTH GEAR AND OVER REVVED PAST THE REV LIMITER ON NOS.KICKING THE SHIM FROM UNDER THE BUCKET LODGING
SIDE WAYS AGAINST THE RETAINER.NEED ONE NEW VALVE.BUT I'AM REPLACING
ALL THE VALVES WITH CYCLE RAMAS VALVES WITH ONE GROOVE KEEPERS.
INSTEAD OF THE STOCK 3 GROOVE.(STRENGTH) REPLACING PISTONS WITH
STROKER PISTONS. MEASURED THE LINERS AND FOUND THEM OUT OF ROUND 2 INCHS BELOW THE TOP .002 WIESCOS LIMIT IS .001. SO NEW LINERS. I COULD
OF RUN THE OLD LINERS I THINK WITH OUT ANY PROBLEMS BUT I DONT PLAN
ON GOING IN THERE FOR A LONG WHILE.I'AM SURE THE CAUSE OF THIS IS A
COMBINATION OF TOTAL SEAL GAPLESS RINGS,BMEP,CLOSE TO 90 RUNS AT
THE TRACK.EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKS GREAT. :sinister:

Rick - as a comparison to stock they have my all the way down - 12,000 miles, 500 passess and they said that it looks like new. Past the leakdown test with flying colors - will replace the shift drum and forks with the new and improved 2005 items, back cut the gears and install the 1250 kit..... vavles train solid. Also looking at 58mm for the throttle body and some lighter pipes...KSP

How hard is it to degree cams Rick

if cams are not set at right degree can this be corrected in the spark timing?
i have zippers street cams-they are not much larger than stock. if they are off 1 or 2 degrees you should be able to correct this with the race tuner right?

NO, Cam Timing is in relation to crank angle, not spark lead. Cam degree'ing is critical for the most power. Cam events are designed around certain engine components.
If you just drop them in, you bike will run fine, just not up to it potential.

Rick - as a comparison to stock they have my all the way down - 12,000 miles, 500 passess and they said that it looks like new. Past the leakdown test with flying colors - will replace the shift drum and forks with the new and improved 2005 items, back cut the gears and install the 1250 kit..... vavles train solid. Also looking at 58mm for the throttle body and some lighter pipes...KSP
DO ME A FAVOR AND HAVE THEM CHECK ROUNDNESS OF THE LINERS IN
4 DIFF LOCATIONS PLEASE.JUST FOR YOUR INFO,I CONSIDERED BACK
CUTTING THE TRANY BUT HAVE BEEN TOLD BY PEOPLE THAT HAD IT DONE
THEY STILL POP OUT OF GEAR. EAGLE HAS TO HOLD THE SHIFTER AFTER
SHIFTING TO FIFTH OR IT COMES OUT OF GEAR.

How hard is it to degree cams Rick
NOT HARD IF YOU HAVE THE CORRECT TOOLS. AND SLOTTED SPROCKETS.

Well We've Been Strugling With Tuning Our Drag Bike On Alcohol.
We're Almost There Heres An Example. Have To Work On Lock Up
Clutch To Remove The Hump. But A Great Start.

NOT HARD IF YOU HAVE THE CORRECT TOOLS. AND SLOTTED SPROCKETS.
Degreeing Cams-click here (http://www.webcamshafts.com/degreeing.html)

Well We've Been Strugling With Tuning Our Drag Bike On Alcohol.
We're Almost There Heres An Example. Have To Work On Lock Up
Clutch To Remove The Hump. But A Great Start.
Rick good numbers mate...