Hi Members of the board,
I am aware of Turbo Tec's exhaust and Supertrapp's could any one give me any more info on exhaust that will perform and sound good on the bike. Thanx Mark

Lots of threads here. V-Mod seems to be the most painless route.

I have an '04 VRSCB in black with V-Mod mufflers. It has a great sound and I get alot of positive comments. Very deep and rumbling sounds. Not annoying such as Samson, SuperTrapp, etc.

SE slip on with V-Mod, it is the besttttttttttttt.
Get the SE filter and PC.
Run almost like my other bike, Yamaha R1.
Have fun.

Any idea how much horses gained with that set-up The slip on system is really heavy compared to other exhausts

They are heavy, but I'm running V-Mods and my bike dynoed @ 117 rwhp. I also have the fastest (to my knowledge) normally aspirated 69 inch V-Rod ¼ mile pass of 11.29 @ 119 mph.


John

O.K.sounds great exactly what is the V-mod is it the standard exhaust modified?? Who does this???

What about Turbo tecs exhaust?? 2 into 1 ?? Thanx for info
Mark

V-Mods (http://www.v-mod.com/shop/viewCategory.asp?CID=337,114) are modified stock slip-on mufflers by Steve Rauch of V-Mod.com. He removes the inner baffle and leaves the outer baffle in place. The Turbo Tec 2 into 1 is probably the best PURE performance exhaust available. It has some shortcomings however. No heat shield and it's low.




John

How about the D&D full system. Read it should perform best when properly tuned (TurboTechs may provide more power). Liked it best from the sound files at V-Mod.com and really did not like how Supertrapp sounded. Anyway I am really looking for performance and will buy Supertrapp if necessary for power reasons but seems like they will touch the ground easily on every right hand turn when ridden hard (all the time). Really seeking feedback on the D&D full system.

Eduarprmd,

The attached pic is the D&D full system. They have a different sound than any other exhaust. The sound is raspy. IMHO, the fit and finish is not very good.

John,
I don't want to burst your bubble but I went 10.93 @121 off the Juice"Normally Aspirated".You know what numbers I'm after so to me it was No Big Deal!:slap2:

When did that happen Kaz? Nice pass my friend! I guess I should have added I didn't have a slick or wheelie bars.


John

Before I ran the Big system I made a few Hits off the Bottle just for the Hell of it!That was in 5300ft air also so figure that one out!:diablo:

Kaz,
You going to the NHRA event tomorrow?


John

Israeli V-Rod: I have V-Mods and I have heard others say that the sound of the SE slip-on V-Mods is slightly quieter but with a different rumble dynamic which they say sounds much better...?

Can you compare and contrast the two? I have a set of SE Slip-on's sitting in the garage that I was thinking of modifying.

Vmods!!!!!! If they are too loud you are too old !!!!!!!!!!!!

Only if my Free Passes come in!It Pains me to Pay to see Others Race!:yak:

Anybody got this sticker on their helmet "Loud fans save lives". If it aint loud, it aint a Harley.

Supertrapp v-5 or the Turbo Tecs.These 2 are the best pipes to get.
V-mods are cheap.But you still got all that weight on the right side.

CHEAP===meaning $$$$wise

Gotta agree with Vinney on that!:thumb

I have the Race Tuner, new drag bars, the 200 Metz, and HD 28T sprocket all in their boxes. They are waiting for me to decide on an exhaust to install and I want the best performance. Are the Turbo Tec's good quality? Are they street legal? I am told the D&D are not good quality but still like the looks and the sound. The Supertrapps are out of the question since when tried on another V-Rod they continually touched the ground. Also no V-Mods, weight issue.
I need to end this soon. Bike in shop having in tank pump replaced.
Kaz, Ketsugo, anyone, what would you reccomend? Pros and Cons.

Yes the TT's are good quality do you think I would put Junk on my Bike?:rolleyes: They are also equal Length so you could step up to a set of Billet Throttle Bodies from Sam also!Give him a Call tell'm I referred you and you won't be Sorry!1-602-242-6099 ask for Sam Terranova!:fahr38

TurboTec, and Sam and John Terranova both are great guys and make quality products. You won't go wrong with them. As far as street legal.... that all depends on where you are at and how bikes are tolerated there!

Mike

I found this old pic of my ST's!They were Very Nice for the street"Ran Great and Looked Cool"!:fahr38

Here Kaz.

Wow thats a Sweet @ss V-rod!:diablo:

Orest, If you ever consider selling those SE slip ons let me know, i would be interested. Thanks!

Thanks for the replies! Will order the TurboTecs, get the bike out of the shop then do a baseline dyno run with only the K&N. HD dealer may have spoiled it a little. Flashed my ECM "thinking" that the 3000-4000 rpm hesitation was due a lean condition caused by the K&N.:rofl3: Wanted $180 for the download.:spit:
Payment for not asking:yak:

Kaz, what can I say? Beautiful, beautiful bike! Good job!
The Duc is nice also.
John, thanks for a better view.

Thanks that just a few of my Stable!:eek:

Could someone post a Pic of the Turbo tech Exhaust system. Or point me to a web site? Does Sam Terranova have a Web site?

Here they are!:diablo:

Saw these photos and did not order the TurboTecs pending some more research but could not find much feedback in the internet.

Everybody has something else. The Joker Machine exhaust seems in need of a tryout. What do you think about the looks of it? They are supposed to be excellent as a performance upgrade as well.

They remind me of a Shorty SuperTrapp!The designer is very respected in the business.I was waiting for over a year to get a set to test for Techlusion,but they keep delaying them. :( If they are available you should be Our Guinne Pig!:diablo:

Originally posted by Jadow
Could someone post a Pic of the Turbo tech Exhaust system. Or point me to a web site? Does Sam Terranova have a Web site?



TurboTec (http://www.turbotecusa.com/VROD.html)



John

Kaz, what have you heard and/or seen about perfornance regarding the Joker Machine exhaust?
If they are a POS please tell me. I narrowed it down to TT, JM, DD, then ST. In that order.
Which of the first two is louder?
If it is a good bet I will try the JM's. If tried and crap will sell them and try TT so both can be compared with a baseline run.
Looks? Well I am still partial to the TT. BUT, are they too loud for picky neighbors?

Another quick question.
Does Sam Terranova have an e-mail address?

I wish someone would buy the Joker exhaust so I can get some first hand info ;) Oh, I guess I could be the Guinea pig...... Nahhh :)

All kidding aside it looks pretty good. Hopefully Millers in Daytona will get one in for display so I can get a closer look. Millers is the single largest stocking parts dealer in central Florida. They have everything else on the wall for display.....

mjw930
Why wouldn't you try it?
I know I wouldn't try it if I had what I would consider a winning combination. Is that the case? or are there any other reasons?

The Boy's over at Techlusion says the designer is one of the Best around and has made so really good systems for Other Bikes.They were in the design stages for well over a year with the new V-rod pipe.I could not wait and was HAPPY with what I have found!Sam's e-mail is turbotecusa_com@hotmail.com or terranovaland@hotmail.com .I know SuperTrapps and Turbo Tec's work really well.The others would be a Guess.I would by all ove them and a Dyno and Have some fun!:diablo:

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :eek:

I also have a good setup with the v-mod SE's so I'm not real motivated to drop a lot of cash right now just for a couple of HP and more noise. But, if I see them on a bike and fall in love with the look and the sound I could be persuaded to dip into the cookie jar ;)

Kaz,

You're Mr. moneybags, I think you "owe" it to the V-Rod community to test out Joker's claims ;) ;)

I'm waiting for a test set to come my way!:diablo:

mjw930.
I agree. I just don't have anything interesting installed now and would like to do it right the first time around. Your posts have really been helpful in allowing me to purchase smart. Mine will be out of the dealer hopefuly by friday. But I've heard that before.

Kaz
Your opinion on the Joker Machine will be greatly appreciated, even if I have to order a system before your testing. Particularly interested in the comparison TT vs JM. As it is what would you reccomend I do? Is it just few HP from slipon vs fullsys on the V-Rod?

eduarprmd,
I just got off the phone with Sam at TT about my New motor were building!:diablo: Thats gonna be my main focus now.I will not be able to test any new systems at this time.Now I do know a few people in the V-rod community so if I hear anything I will surely let you all know!I'm really excited about my New Big Bore setup and think it would be the Way for You to go!Stay tuned.:cool:

Kaz .....What cams will you be running? From what I have read Tillys has a bigger one than Steve.

Not sure which ones Sam's gonna use but I know they will be BIG!:diablo:

I guess I could be the Guinea pig...... Oh Yeahhh!

I'll get it to the dyno before and after, post the dyno runs and setup. May take some time as bike at the stealer. Told me my bike is next since pump replacements arrived. Ya right!
Work sched against me huge time BUT this is important, Right?

I run the FORCE STEETFIGHTER LONGS. As far as looks and sound they are the way to go. My dealer just dumped the map from their drag bike in it and it screams at 6 grand up but needs some fine tuning for 6 down. I have an appointment next week for that and will post my dyno sheet.

After Reading numerous posts, I've established that the the V-Mod'd SE pipes are the best to get. If this is done, will it effect my warranty? If so, which non-mod'd pipes sound better and have the best performance?

Sound is subjective to whatever you "think" is best. Me? I don't care about sound quality as much as of sound quantity. Some are just the opposite. What does anyone know if so subjective? If you ask me about sound quality I'd tell you V-Mods first and SuperTrapps last. If you read all the posts you'd notice that talking that way of SuperTrapps is an exercise in daring to be honest (if its me). Looks? Another sore spot. I like stock appearance but am going radically away from it with JM's as I like. If someone doesn't I'd like to hear it and would not get in any way "ofended". Performance, now THAT you can measure and V-Mods are not the best in that category but a pretty darn good hp increase you will notice. If there is a way to go wrong with pipes and I think wrong would be less power than stock whatever the looks and sound, then there are not many that can do that as bad as Samsons some say (actually true on dyno runs).

Whatever! My:2cents on your issue. You cannot go wrong with V-Mod'd SE pipes. You can get yourself a F'ng fast bike with minimal hassle. Just use a PCIII or RT.

Saturday I get mine from the tuner with the Joker Machine system. Peak hp numbers before and after will be posted. If I were on your shoes and considering non-stock looks would wait. I will not be one with the mentality mine is best because I have it. If a piece of shit I will tell all to avoid. Then I will consider TurboTecs, V-Mods, then SuperTrapps in that order.

Well, I guess I will be the guinea pig for the Samaons and the Race Tuner. I got a great deal on the Samsons from one fo the guys on the forum and am getting the Race Tuner ASAP. Hopefully my dyno runs will not be too bad. If so, I will be getting a new set of pipes. But they look awesome so I figured I would give it try. I will keep you guys informed how bad or good it turns out.:rolleyes:

Speaking of guinnea pigs, I have these pics. There is a slim chance they cannot finish all work today:( . My fault cause I lost the 28t sprocket and they had the thing disassembled ready for the install when I told them to forget it:slap2: . That was yesterday, went out for drinks :yak: and now hung over and all found the thing at the car dealership inside my truck (in for repairs). Then received the 200 Metz and this is included now also on the list. Tuner says they're still on schedule and even if late they'll dyno at night if necessary. If all goes well I'll be able to notice the difference between a basically stock V-Rod vs a modified one now with Race Tuner (map15 base), Joker Machine exhaust, 200Metz, and 28t sprocket. The PM brake upgrade seemed mandatory at the price offered. Cannot go to the track today with this hang over but will do too at a later date.

I think you should do the same with the Sampsons, dyno tune with RT, do some 1/4 mile runs, and post results here. I hope your dyno runs are actually good. If performance drops I agree you should only then consider a change.:2cents

Should I take off the fork reflectors?

Originally posted by eduarprmd
Should I take off the fork reflectors?

Yes you should they are ugly. IMHO

Thanks for the update. Keep us posted.:cheers:

Thanks Frank! I'm laughing hard right now at my own questions. I guess I need some tylenol, some soup, and coffee. Not to mention some sleep. I'll try pulling on them but if too difficult will try the fishing wire.

I think we talked about sound at some point. Well, we of course started it. Sound is very cool. Not really like other HD (not a bad thing). To me, at idle and up to 3000 rpm it does not sound loud which is a plus for me. However, small increases in throttle position cause a large increase in sound volume so will have to wait and see after dynoed how it goes at 9000 rpm.

If I knew how to do it would post some mpg's. Rest assured if they finish tonight, that 200 Metz is going to look a week old by tomorrow.

eduarprmd


Can you take straight on side view and post it.

Will certainly do. Gimme about 2-3 hours. I'll get in the car and drive to the shop for follow up. Tuner lives right there so if they closed I'll knock. That would mean no motorcycle today but since there would take the pics anyway. I'm starting to feel like a tourist with the camera at all times. Cool, I'm having fun. It is 4:25pm now on a saturday but this guy seems to take it seriously and he told me he would have it by today. If not he'll have a very good reason.

This one is not 100% straight on side view and is blurry because I moved but will get better pics. Pipe was also just installed and has fingerprints on it.

Looking forward to seeing a dyno sheet!

vrodvinny
Needed ignition pickups or something for the dyno the first time we got it there for a baseline peak hp test. Was not able to do vs rpm curves:mad: . Only rasonable shop and tuner around with race tuner experience, at least in San Juan, others say yeah sure with the face. She made peak hp 107 with k&N filter and SE download alone. Whatever the numbers will be able to compare on same dyno and be able to tell the gains. Will do.

Frank
Always here:thumb . When I went to bed you were here in the forum. It is 4am, getting ready to work, turn on the PC and there you are. Went there yesterday. As you can see already the system is installed. Here's the pic but cannot get the whole bike as already against the wall. This is a prettty good pic but the whole thing needs to be seen to be appreciated in a photo.

Could not be done yesterday because to install the smaller flange for the 28t pulley the commonly used sockets do not fit in there to take the screw off. I knew of this from previous posts but did not tell him in advance:slap2: . They machined one so it would fit. He was fixed on getting it done, these guys are great. Anyone in my area reading this should really consider these people. It was raining, I would not drive it home like that and I'd like the dyno run when not so humid without the rush.

They'll finish Monday we said but not realizing it is a freakin holiday. I would not be surprised if they worked on it. We'll see. Here if the governor farts without a stain, it's a holiday, shameful but what the hell.

Ooops! The photo.

eduarprmd

They look nice. They look like chrome. When you have some miles on them, let us know how they work without a heat shield and also if they change color to gold or blue. Keep us posted. Try to get a sound file.

Thanks
Frank

I'll bet they'll discolor somewhat. I have mpgs with sound but wouldn't know how to post. Anyone please redirect to a thread explaining this if possible.

eduarprmd, just attach it like you would a picture from your hard drive.

If so gimme one minute to try. On this computer I have the mpg from the first time started. Not the best file but will try anyway. It is 5.2 megs if I can recall.

First try! It is a .avi file actually. Got me the "The page cannot be displayed" thing. I guess you put it on ftp site then post a link for download.

OK, so I installed the Samson Rip Saws yesterday, fired her up and as another forum member put it "almost shat my pants". Not sure how it is gonna work out but in the garage with the door open I was almost deaf. Love the look of them but not sure how the looks will solve deafness in later years. I guess I can wait until spring to get a ride in to see how it is outdoors. Until then, V-modding the pipes look like a good solution.

Did you have any problems getting the 200 Metzler on the bike? Did it rub up against the belt cover. If so, do you have the stock belt covers or the chrome ones?

Thanks

Sparks...
:offtopic
This is an EXHAUST thread. But yes you will have to notch the lower belt guard with the 200.

Mike

Get an exhaust system first.:icon_twis :2cents

I'm doing several things at once with the exhaust install. Including the tire upgrade is a Rizoma upper belt guard I've had for months. This is an exhaust thread but cannot pass on the chance of mentioning how good I think looks what another forum member did to the upper belt guard by cutting and polishing it.

Just follow these:

Metz 200 thread (http://www.v-rodforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1553&highlight=metzeler)

Belt guard thread (http://www.v-rodforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1683)

Oh! Reason for not having dyno numbers posted. Tuner wants some more time with the bike on the dyno, of course YES. Tomorrow. Oops, later today I mean.

Hopefuly not because they are :bs: .

Cant wait!!!!!

OK! I had asked tuner to please have me present when tunung so I could learn. Said no problem. Has proven difficult but did get 2h on dyno yesterday:D . No tuning to test baseline, no new map since had HD download just to see with the JM's. Strange:confused: ! Never saw black smoke coming from it before. I would think it'd run leaner. Most of the time getting it to do kind of a second baseline and get the rpm pickup to work properly on the V-Rod. Top on all the time.

Highest HP with stock mufflers (K&N + download) 106.5 and without any tuning at all, just the system, pulled 109.5 recorded. Have the graphs in the car and will post them of course. Have a fat guy in the table with the chest open I gotta go see after OR in about 30 minutes. He'll do well and I'll go see the RT map #15 download as starting point.

Wouldn't this give kind of a sensation that they'll turn out a POS after all? Or do any of you guys feel the RT will help increase 5 more ponies if well tuned:eek: ?

Hot damn! Sound IS awesome!
I really, but really love how the bike now looks. Shame they'll go away if a POS! STAT!

Treo pictures suck!
I'd like to at the least see this! They promised. It's all in the name:rofl3:.
This is a voice asking for help (I'm insecure:1: ).
Feedback please before Kaz gives me one of these :spank2: . He likes it like that! I'd give him back one of these:sinister: . But he'll :slap2: me with his gzillion 180hp. I'm an ant!:rolleyes:

Don't be too disheartened, it sounds like the system needs some simple fuel mapping to work. Remember, it's a completely different system that you had mapped. This setup should really breath well, get that top off!

Once you have a good AFR chart then your guy can really start to tune it. Considering the setup, existing map and the potential there's 5 - 8 HP to be had easily. IMHO

Thank you! Thank you!
It's always reassuring to hear from you, really.
I am really not very sure of what I am doing and while I'm trusting the tuner I kind of have known you for a longer time and really trust you more with this. I'll get the charts posted. The top is coming off. So are the fork reflectors. A better cam today, the powershot is much better.

Off to see the fat guy, he's not singing today while on a ventilator. I've known him for years and everything has to be perfect as always. I'd like the V-Rod the same way and knowing you guys help IS reassuring enough.

3 HP?:yak: I bolted on 10rwhp with just a SuperTrapp over the Sampson's.Then with tuning picked up a few more!You should be able to find 3-5rwhp with fuel and Ignition.If you still have the Top on I'm not helping you anymore!:slap2:

Remember Kaz, the sampsons pulled you down, so some of the 10 you picked up were just to get back to stock, right? I am still having a hard time trying to figure out which way I want to go, but these J/M pipes sure do LOOK nice. 114 rwhp is not something to laugh at eduarprmd :)

He's Not making that Yet that was what the Factory Dyno Claimed!Kinda like those Penis inlargement Pills!:rolleyes: When I first put the Sampsons on I made 96 rwhp.After Tuning we got it upto 103 rwhp.With Just the ST Bolt on it went to 113rwhp.After a Few Hundred Dyno Runs Testing and Testing I got it to 122rwhp on Race Gas 120 without!:cool:

I do like the STs Kaz. They are still on my list, and Steves forum had a thread in there about modifying a bracket to lift up the pipes about 1/2". That should translate into quite a bit of lean angle.

OK! OK! The top is off. So are the reflectors:rolleyes: .
But Kaz, for anything on your bike quoting gains like that is difficult. You are one viscious hp junkie:diablo: . I think your bike was NEVER stock and you've been tweaking the EFI from the start.

I truly doubt most any manufacturers claims, look at the D&D lies but they ended up making very good power numbers. Steve's claims seem to be the most honest I've found and with STrapp Open End Cap as you ended up figuring with your trials AND tuned PCIIIr he got all of 112.4hp with 77.3 ft/lbsTQ. I do think HD did it well from the start, look at how V-Mods perform, pretty good. But Willie always leaves room to sell of course.

I come to this with no expectations to better the best performer. I truly hope so and it is not because I don't like the ST looks. Most of all I believed that JM was making some R&D, if not some excuses, and that most of all fun from the V-Rod started b/c of VTF and only intensified like double with VRF. I need to entertain my brain and this seems like such a cool way to do it. Playing with big boys toys. I know a lot of people do like these pipes and I would like to see if they can safely spend their money on them. If not performance I can tell you this, the sound, and the looks are awesome, my honest opinion.

Be certain of this you ST lovers. Those or the TT's:eck02 WILL be on my bike if unsatisfied with the JM. The upswept design, if available on either of those brands would have my V-Rod wearing any of them right now.

Hey, 115 max hp with the Joker isn't bad at all, and it is the best looking exhaust system yet in my opinion. Plus its got to be at least 10-15 lbs lighter than the stock mid collector/muffs.

That's my opinion too and I think I will possibly get there with some tuning, right now there is no tuning at all.

The V-Rod is a whole new thing especially with the RT. I am most concerned with the tuner and really being able to get the most of it to do it justice.

I think 115 for the JM would be about right for their claims and that 112 is what you get with ST's, not a claimed number and it is the highest attained by any other tested with Steve. Seven REAL hp are very good for the power to weight ratio on a motorcycle (assuming 105+-2 baseline). If JM claims are inflated or not remains to be seen. If I get 112 like the ST's on Steve's camp I'll be happy as long as torque is also there since I know ST are a winner, really since the TT data is unavailable to me I'm assuming the gold standard and the one to beat is the ST.

A reliable more powerful motorcycle is all I ask BUT if going away from the stock look I also love, it absolutely has to look better in my eyes than others and that is where I think I am absolutely right with the JM. Maybe I lack experience with any kind of HD but you guys really need to listen at the sound one of these makes, truly awesome:2cents .

If unsuccesful with this tuner. I'll try another, and another until and if something good happens or I trust that that's it, no more. The best thing is I'm learning the RT thing fast, I'm hooked! And most of all I can help myself. Like MJ says, if you cannot get a good tuner with RT experience you have to learn it yourself and I expect to get a ton of fun doing it with my own brain.

PS: If you come to the ST with a 2-3hp deficit over stock of course you'll end up gaining about 10hp if it really makes 7hp over stock like Steve's testing.

I'm done trying. Found the freakin cd, installed the software, cannot get the damn thing to scan. It's 1:44am here, I have a scanner at the ofice. If I get peace time, 'cause office makes me kind of bored if not sick and I need to get out quick for some real action.

Got up to 110.1 hp no tuning. Downloaded #15 as recc by Mark. Ran it on the dyno. Then tried the #16 for 16g SE's and ran it again. Seems like with the #16 map it had more area under the curve. Am I just wrongly extrapolating from my calculus (as in math) courses but I have never seen this discussed. Seems to me like it's not just peak numbers but if it is a taller curve on the Y axis (hp) for more time you'll get more juice all over.

Map 16 gave me slightly better hp with a higher line throughout on subjective evaluation of the graph and evidenced with the zooming feature of the software. I bet if I get to know the windyn I could get more info with the help of the tuner than what the tuner alone is able to provide.

Another thing! The higher hp values are with that thing sticking up the V-Rods arse. Can I take this to mean maybe it needs more backpressure? Is there a way to lessen the need for more back pressure probably making the exhaust more efficient and giving more power? Can this be helped just with some tuning? I have the unequal stacks and ordered from the tuner the short one to try two shorts first. If so that it needs more back pressure, is it true that increasing cam duration would help this particular issue?

While I know I have my work cut out for me and need to really tune first, discussing these questions can only help to better understand what's involved. I like the JM also because higher rpm motors benefit more from shorter pipes because of the returning wave upon exhaust expansion at the outlet story, the negative wave, right? Maybe my V-Rod needs more back pressure. Probably it just needs tuning. The AFR graph has two large humps from 5500 to 9000 rpm.

I have an all in one hp d145 all-in-one as a scanner that won't plug and play easily with the the new Windows XP OS. Found the fix and am now at 10% download of a 60mb file. Will post the charts and graphs ASAP on the appropriate section with the links here.

eduarprmd,

I can't wait to see the charts. I'm surprised the #16 map pulled better, it leads me to believe that the pipe really likes the midrange more than the top end. THAT'S A GOOD THING ;) We never ride these bikes at 8500 rpm for more than a few seconds so the more power you can make @ 5000 the better the bike is going to feel and the faster it's going to run on the street.

Back pressure and scavenging work hand in hand. Back pressure increases torque in the low to mid range while scavenging works to move more clean air through the system at higher rpms. You don't want more back pressure to make top end HP. Depending in where those "humps" are and in what direction they go (rich or lean) will determine where the tuner needs to add or remove fuel. Once the mixture is right then you can start adding a little timing to optimize the power.

Get those darn charts posted, the suspense is killing us ;)

The suspense is killing me even more as I think it could probably make even more horses than the claims. You know about dynos and either this thing (Superflow with the goodies) averages every so often rpm's (like the mustang) or this bikes power delivery is pretty smooth. No jaggedness at all. Only with the thing up the exhaust do you see kind of a drop up top still highest numbers with the thing in (about half a hp:rolleyes: ). It's all horsesht until you see the graphs but I cannot make the scanner work after WinXP, it prints just fine. The ol'man has a scanner at his office and I think also one at home as I won't mess with mine at the office used for billing not just my pts.

There was no tune, patience must have limits. It was taking too long and it is a riders motorcycle. I'll tune myself and redyno until satisfied (Race Tuner is a very cool thing). Which is why I'd like any help with these. I am no expert but can read and understand almost anything. It just has another configuration map and it rides very smooth. Smoother than before. I don't know if it is the map, the pulley, the header, or what. Zero hesitation at idle, part throttle, and wide open. The dyno curves, if reliable, seem to agree. Bro saw some flame flash while changing gears on the highway (rich or lean?). Will check spark plug, got me a longer extension so the tool won't scratch the frame. I'm really turning into a Harley freak and I like it :cool: .

I have the rpm vs afr from 4300 to 9000 rpm but he printed the hp graph vs speed. Damn! I may tune somewhere else if this guy delays the issues to then redyno on his to kind of go away from the different dyno error. Since I'm pumped and he has a V-Rod ordered for track use I believe he'll not be able to refuse my offer ($) to tune on a sunday without any other clients "bothering":rofl3: .

I won't do this until I hear your opinions though.

I'm going to work and will later go to the marina do some business drinking:cheers: . But will do scan the things :sinister:.

Something like this until I can scan. Sometimes I scare myself a little when I read it back. We are talking very lttle money here for his offer to tune on a Sunday. He's a good person (the tuner) and willing to help, as well as he's having a good time and learning V-Rod for his upcoming project he'll help but has a business to run and I a not cheap motorcycle to ride. Went to Las Fiestas de San Juan yesterday. V-Roded. And very loud.

Pissed about the scanner went and tried elsewhere with poor results since the lines are so thin. Camera did a better job.

This is baseline hp vs speed. Could not get it to read rpm with the cable he had.

This is AFR with map 16

WHAT THE ?:confused:

Look's like your AFR could still use some tunning ;)

It's 106 point something. :whack: I hate you Kaz. We have to make this thing to allow comments from people within ten hp. Then I'll be happy cause you'll be all alone.;) Are you just going to sit there and write two freaking words or am I going to have to cut'chu man (latino movie shtuff;) ). Flames, I want a roast, I don't care as long as the learning curve grows steeper.

Just to see if I can get you talking.

You'll NEVER make 225hp. My JM sound better than those scrappy TTs:eck02 . I'm 10th dan tutti fruti belt and wanna kick you ass.

What's your name;) ? Is the massage bussiness so lucrative? :rofl3: Would you like to see a picture of my tuner?:rofl3:

My best effort cause my belly hurts from my mind.

Are you a manwhore?

I'm going to work! But I'll keep posting the graphs I have as fast as I can take photos that show something when viewing the file. It takes some time.

edit: I think I get the general idea of how and where to change AFRs but am not really sure and don't know by how much. Another thing is that what the RT offers seems like 3D data inputs based on rpm vs load vs afr.

A couple of things to remember.

1. the run was with the airbox on so the motor is seriously starved for air, that explains the super rich running using that map.

2. You're running on an eddy current or brake dyno vs. all the others who are using Inertial dynos (DynoJet). Depending on the correction factors you can get as much as 15% lower readings on a brake dyno. I think the one you are using is more like 5% low.

Before anyone jumps on the correction factor info I have evidence of the 15% difference. Same bike, same tune, exactly 15% lower numbers across the entire power band. Dyno 1 = DynoJet, Dyno2 = Mustang with Factory One software.

Don't worry Bro.Even if you got Bum Scooter I still like you!:goof Fly me out to your Neck of the woods for a little R&R and set me up with a Beautiful You Ladies"Under 30 No Kids and Big Boobs",and I will tell you anything you would like to Know!;)

eduarprmd,
no matter what happens, those pipes LOOK great. and I think I speak for all of us in thanking you for being our guinea pig. I will only have one shot at this pipe thing, so I have to make it right the first time. Keep the information flowing :)
Greg

Originally posted by Super Kaz
...set me up with a Beautiful You Ladies"Under 30 No Kids and Big Boobs",and I will tell you anything you would like to Know!;)

There ya go eduarpmd... just take him to a strip-club and you're all set with the Kaz-info. :)

Kaz knows about the differnt dyno errors. He's is just F'g with me :chair and to tell you the truth I find it very funny. Jokes were because he just dissapeared after two words "What The?". Kaz, you got a million posts and always the racer you want more, but those two words say nothing else, thus the jokes. I'd like to know how to interpret the things safely most of all.

Mark, that is why I'm pretty sure there's more where the others came from. I just saw it was not lean and since tuner had no intention of continuing and I was taking the top off anyway, decided to then get the beer to alleviate the stress. BUT, took it off the dyno in a sec. and did noy pay for the tune I did not get. Hey! You always have pretty good links posted for help. Know of anything I can read to learn about this stuff. I would like to become more like the do it myselfer ;) type.

Leon. I know. I'll get Kaz one from the "nutritional support group" :lick: , maybe he'll loan me his scooter V-Rod for a ride around the block. Or at the track. I'll cut a second off his best et. :hitfan:

:moped BUM SCOOTER? BUM SCOOTER? WTF? I cut'chu man, I cut'chu deep now! ;)

Greg687. They turn yellow but it looks like chrome with a golden tint to it. Looks racy to me, kind of how Kaz likes his women. That is really why there are covers I guess. Seems like JM will not be making heat shields for this exhaust any time soon. Otherwise I see nothing that could be perceived as negative. It's not really something that would cause me to :banghead unless I cannot extract more hp. If JM made the heat shields I would buy them. All pipes discolor to some extent I guess. Good things:

:@: They do make power. Seat of the pants is great, seems like more than what the dyno says. It's too easy for the tires to smoke for the torque to be almost same so far, the 28t helps here. Power delivery is very smooth. Easier than before.
:@: Ah the sound sweet, sweet, and oh very sweet indeed. Just because of them I'm starting to care about sound quality.
:@: I think it's the best looking pipe so far. Considering no heat shields.
:@: They are very light. The whole thing weighs less than just the stock slip ons.
:@: Did I mention the sound?
:@: They were an easy fit. Zero rattles.
:@: The finish seems good also. But I don't even think I really know what that means very well. Seem very well made.
:@: Zero scrapes. I have not been to the backroads for long yet but the stockers have a flat spot where they touched.
:@: Sound quantity? What? What? At idle loud enough not to bother. But give it some gas and LOUD is more like it.

All of my :2cents .

I was reading it back and yes I did mention the sound.

I'm in for a boobfest anyday! :sinister:

Videos of the stainless double supertraps by Lottermans. Real nice sound.

Videos of the stainless double supertraps by Lottermans. Real nice sound.

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any negatives eduarprmd? Other than $? they did cost more than the STs or TTs. I do see that discoloration, but it looks better than what happened under the heat shields on the stockers. All the Hi-performance stuff w/o shields will likely discolor, no matter what they say. Thanks again.
Greg

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Cool! Much better! Don't they seem kind of low set? Probably close to scraping on that right hander. THAT setup sure does look different in a very custom cool kind of way.
I think these are the ones Holi has.

Wow those sound and look great! Those could actually sway me from the SE stock look if the bottom pipe was about 1-2 inches higher.

What kind of power chg (increase/decrease) with the double ST's. They definitely sounded nice.

Hey guys, :notworthy I'm new to this game but looking for info. Which is better ST or TT. I assume TT is louder, but is it "call the cops loud" or just annoy the neighbours loud. :offtopic , which tuner works better or is easier to use, RT or PCIIIusb. Thanks for any info.

Stock '03
But not for long

Stan,
AFTER HAVING A FEW sets of exhaust systems.I would say the TT's are not the Loudest just The Best! :cool:

Thanks Kaz, Don't have cash like some. Want to get it right the first time. :cool:

I guess the Race Tuner is better but the PCIIIr is easier.

Hey! Sorry JM, just had some Mother's brought in and it'll rub off. They'll still show some discoloration when I' done, it was severe, just needed elbow grease. We need a smilie slapping oneself just for me :slap: . I was told this was permanent. I'm a newbie for sure.

Will show the videos and post some pics I know. I'm happy they will probably continue to look great cause everything else seemed perfect so far just needs some tuning. I'm going to work but if I can come home before nightfall will do the video with sound and the pics after polishing.

NOW I'm happy!

Hi guys,
New to the forum and just read the 8 pages of this thread. Im interested in a new exaust also. I want more HP and a different look. I figure the sound will be there with the HP.
I like the aftermarket straight pipe look, but my dealer said anything but HD will void the extended warranty. Therefore, I think Im going with the 16 ga SE's.
Any comments on the warranty issue? The storey was that a guy brought in his V with Sampsons and had a sparkplug that shattered from heat, with all the things that that would do in the cylinder and valves. He said his bikes VIN was tagged in the HD database to void the warranty.
Scare tactic, improperly set up bike, bad luck??
Im new to Harley, but Im learning fast that they think very highly of their acessories.
Sam

adam :vrodforu:
Don't get the sampsons,rineharts.They are proven hp LOSERS ;)
The guy you spoke of with the sampsons didn't have a good tune.
If you go with aftermarket pipes its best you get either the HD race tuner or the Power Commander.PC has maps for different pipes and cofigurations.The ST's and the TT's give the best power. :thumb:
The warranty thing is a scare tactic.HD has to prove that the bolt-on caused the problem. :)

Addam,
I have the Samson Long Slashers with the power commander. I aint got not problem. Runs good, sounds good, looks good. I'll never tell anyone what to do. You gotta see what everyone says and go with what you think is best. I could not say that the Samsons are the best or if there is a better pipe,(I'm sure there is a better pipe), but the company sells a lot of them and I have called the company and found them to be very good with all my questions and concerns. I have heard others bash the Samsons some. So go with what you think is right for you and good luck.

Addam,
I have the Samson Long Slashers with the power commander. I aint got not problem. Runs good, sounds good, looks good. I'll never tell anyone what to do. You gotta see what everyone says and go with what you think is best. I could not say that the Samsons are the best or if there is a better pipe,(I'm sure there is a better pipe), but the company sells a lot of them and I have called the company and found them to be very good with all my questions and concerns. I have heard others bash the Samsons some. So go with what you think is right for you and good luck.

I've got the Samson short slashers, and also have no problems. They met the intent of what I was looking for, and at the time they were one of only a couple choices. They may drop a couple of HP, but I didn't buy them for that.

I've heard several good things about the V-mods, so if you want to keep the stock look, that's a good option. There are several threads you can check out on this forum, so do your research. Ultimately it's up to you.

So with all this can anyone rank the pipes based on HP?

Evidence based on the same dyno, same operator, "side by side" comparisons by Steve Rauch.

SuperTrapp 112.4 and 77.3 :lick:

D&D 110.3 and 75.8 :diablo:

V-Mod SE 109 and 76 :goof:

Force shorts 108 and 75.1 :ride:

Cary Faas 106.3 and 74.1 :mrgr:

PowerShots 105.9 and 72.8 :hmm:

Rineharts 104.5 and 75.3 :laugh:

The JM I have got me 110.9 without any tuning on a ProFlow dyno. The ones above some were tuned with a PCIII on a dynojet dyno. The ST numbers done in a V-Rod with K&N filter, tuned, no disks, no end cap. The other ones have no tuneability so no remarks.

The TT? Still we need data. Kaz swears for them. So nickdude you should be our next guinnea pig and get some TT's. If you have a stock bike to try them on and do baseline and post install runs that would help a lot.

I'm betting that with some tuning I'll be above 113hp. Stock everything except exhaust and filter. No spark plug tricks, all stock wiring, 93 octane gas, ALL STOCK. If you want the best get the JM (HA! cause I say so and blah and blah and blah, you get the pic but I truly believe so), a Race Tuner and I'll e-mail my map to anyone when I'm finished. After some tweaking it now seems possesed :angeldev: , and seems like s'more is there for the taking. That's tuning myself with the RT.

But still all BS until I get it dynoed, right? Nah! It will probably still be BS after what I've seen with dynos. In time I'll dyno in all 4 of them close by to increase credibility. Maybe three if I'm still banned from one of them stealers. He got a small brain and his head is so tiny it must be true. I just gave him a demo of what I know from here because he was clearly lying, teased him just a bit :sinister: for being stupid, and BLAM :chair: . Sheesh, the nerve of that guy!

Here's mine after break in. Not cleaned but that's me. Does anyone not like them and why, interesting to see some negative feedback. I flat out don't like the ST much for example and had stated why somewhere else, zero offense meant of course. Cary Faas thing? Jesus!

"Here's mine after break in. Not cleaned but that's me. Does anyone not like them and why, interesting to see some negative feedback."


As far as 2to1's go they look good.

John,
I just had mine dynoed and also got 117 (16.8) hp. But I do not have the PC and it runs a little lean at around 80mph. Do you run the PC and did you run into the lean mixutre problem?
Thanks for any feedback.
Rusty


They are heavy, but I'm running V-Mods and my bike dynoed @ 117 rwhp. I also have the fastest (to my knowledge) normally aspirated 69 inch V-Rod ¼ mile pass of 11.29 @ 119 mph.


John

Everyone should check his ride on more than one dyno :2cents: .

I may have a dream coming true veryvery soon.
Dyno shop owner got himself a V-Rod. He got ST's and will also dyno before and after. I wanna race him so bad with those ST :sinister: that flaming has already started :twisted: , he weighs 40-50 lbs less than I do. So I'll insist we switch bike as a do over when I kick his ass :laugh: . He seems slightly flame intolerant so I may end up with a blackeye :D , so I'll keep the flames on at all times to try and make sure this happens.

If he were to win it I'd be much more interested in the bike swap, see if weight had anything to do with it. Anyway we will both have same config except exhaust. I'm going to try and convince him to run a dyno of mine, then put the ST on to run it again all at my expense since he has a business to make money and I don't care enough to spend 200-400 for such an "event".

Let the Dyno Games Begin! :spank: The weight is gonna be a Big Factor in a Heads up Race but the Dyno war should be Good! :diablo:

I'm glad I'm a little shit then......5'6 about 140lbs......lol....

dyno war?
my nearest dyno is 4-5 hours away, so i'll have to make up numbers and lie....

355RWHP + 325 TQ








so far i am winning :)

dyno war?
my nearest dyno is 4-5 hours away, so i'll have to make up numbers and lie....

355RWHP + 325 TQ








so far i am winning :)

DAMN!! Shawn,

Ya got me by 5 on each! :angeldev:

DREAMIN!!!!!!!!!!!!200 WOULD would scare the $hit out of ya! :paper:

Hey Kaz i rode my cousins 280 HP turbo Busa , and you are right...it even scared the $hit out of me...lol

I just think two good enough competitors on even grounds would make all the claims much more reliable. Same dyno same day same tuner, but he owns one of them. I'm having my POS 100th 1200EVO Sportster Custom dyno today with a set of POS Thunderheaders, see what happens. I have the flamethrower ON and on high :twisted: , he got the pipes in yesterday. Beautifuly done these ST really are. I still like the JM better but let's see them side by side. The one with the ST will be orange in color so that can change the overall look a bit.

Just wanna see what happens. Even then the results may not be the absolute truth but interesting and helpful it will be.

what are TTs?

what are TTs?
Turbo Tec USA Pipes the Baddest 2 into 1 equal full length system going! :cool:

I'm kind of having a hard time with this exhaust stuff. These JM that I have look and sound so awesome, the bike rides so smooth and so well. I datalog with the RT and no bad remarks come from analysing the data. I'm pushing it hard today. Just need to smooth my AFR's a bit. I always try and get the most power first and foremost but I saw them JM and was hooked. I really tried the ST but mine is a significantly faster motorcycle and I dislike the looks of it. TT's header tubes seem of larger diameter, the slight length diff is lesser with them than the JM if that really matters. STILL, I want a set of these TT's even if I believe the look will suffer a bit compared to what I have now. But having two sets of pipes for the same bike seems like overkill and I would probably do the HD guy thing and go back with JM when I realize more hp with the TT's, just because of the other perceived advantages with JM. African Paul got them both. Should I wait? For a header swap they only charge me 40 bucks so no problem there. I have the RT so switching maps is a snap. I'm itching to try them that's all and I don't have time for spending any money anywhere else so 800 bucks while a lot of money won't hurt nothing. Kaz, are these soooo good you would reccomend this tryout to me? Do you think 5hp better than best results with JM possible? I guess anything's possible, just give me your honest opinion plis.

I guess I should just get off my ass and do some videos with sound but just to be able to find some G'damn serial to usb cable took me a week with all the hospital getting in the frikin way.

My Brother,
Did you see what I did Just for You and My other Speed Brothers?I talked Sam in to Making a Goup Purchase special set of TT Pipes with the Upsweep like so manny asked for!Instead of $699 for them if we can get 6 orders they will be $500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :dance: :spank: Get a spare set and your own Chassie dyno and you to could be KING! :diablo:

SE slip on with V-Mod, it is the besttttttttttttt.
Get the SE filter and PC.
Run almost like my other bike, Yamaha R1.
Have fun.

What does the v-mod consist of? Can I save the 150 for something else and v-mod my baffles for my SE16 gauge?

Making a Goup Purchase special set of TT Pipes

gotta love those goup purchases :sinister:

My Brother,
Did you see what I did Just for You and My other Speed Brothers?I talked Sam in to Making a Goup Purchase special set of TT Pipes with the Upsweep like so manny asked for!Instead of $699 for them if we can get 6 orders they will be $500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :dance: :spank: Get a spare set and your own Chassie dyno and you to could be KING! :diablo:


Kaz, any clue what that will look like?? I'm getting pulled in by the mod beam!!! :laugh:

Basically the same as mine with a Slight up sweep for better cornering ground clearance.Jet Hot Chrome finish like mine.You will NEVEVR EVER find a New,High Quality,Full length,Jet Hot Coated ,Race Exhaust system for that Price!I know allot of you are pretty new as I am to the Harley Hi Performance scene.Believe what is being offered to Our Members through these GP is UNHEARD OF! :dance:

Does anyone have sound clip for the TT?

Hi Members of the board,
I am aware of Turbo Tec's exhaust and Supertrapp's could any one give me any more info on exhaust that will perform and sound good on the bike. Thanx Mark

Hello Mark:
I've got an '03 with Screamin'Eagles 16 Ga. dbl. barrels. I just had the VMod
done. I really like the result. Great performance, not obnoxiously loud, but a nice deep, throaty rumble. I couldn't be happier with them. Hope this helped.
All the Best,
Brad Mattix

can anybody tell me about the bub pipes. I got my bike in 2002 and quickly wanted to change the pipes there wasn't much available. Am i way of base with the bubs

:welcome: russojerry!check your pm. :kaz:

I need pipes for the Street Rod! Still waiting. A nice 2-into-1 that increases power, doesn't sacrifice clearance, and looks & sounds bad-ass. In that order.