I have a great running V-Rod (11.29), but the new 600 sport bikes are quicker (11.00's or less). I dragged a guy with a new Honda 600F4 from a standing start to about 120 mph (about 1/4 mile). We stayed dead even to about 50 mph and he slowly started inching away from me. By the time we shut down, he had about 2 bikes on me (.25 sec or so). He did say That's the fastest Harley I have ever seen but I still hate it! The big bore kit (ChopperSteve ran 10.80's over the weekend) is in my future. I know I could go the easy route and slap on an ugly NOS bottle and run mid 10's with ease, but I prefer normally aspirated machines. Rant over.


John

John that big bore kit is sounding better all the time.

You know if you do I GOTTA do it!...
More $$ down the VRod drain...

Mike aka Scout

Originally posted by VRODScout
You know if you do I GOTTA do it!...
More $$ down the VRod drain...

Mike aka Scout

Sorry Mike for MAKING you spend all your green!;)


John

I know, I know.

I'm just hoping the stroker gets done before I run out of patience

Clearly someone is going to need to figure out how to shoehorn 6+ gals of fuel into it...

John, what is the exact set up on your v rod? Have the heads had any work? I told a guy down at Morgan and Wacker (the stealership) what you run (ie 11.29) and he said you had to have more than pipes, flash and filter to do that.:confused:

Karl,

It's not what he's done but how well he's done it. John and a couple others have gotten their bikes tuned to put ~118 HP to the rear wheel. Couple that with the 28T pulley and a good rider and low 11's are certainly possible.

Tell your stealer to do a little more research :eek:

Hi Karl,
Mark is correct. The 28T pulley is good for .2 to .3 sec. I dynoed 117 RWHP topless with oxygenated fuel. No flash but tuned with the Power Commander. But it's still not fast enough!

V-Mods
SE A/F
28T Pulley
PCIIIr
Topless
Oxygenated Fuel



John

I can't remember the guys name, but he said he is going to join the vtf so I will send him over here as well. You guys can "discuss" it :D

I want ringside seats for that eventfull meeting!

Mike aka Scout

John,
Easy Route MY ASS!Rob I have more time and money into my setup then any Big Bore Kit!I wanna see how Fast I can go with stock motor and Bolt ons before I get Crazy and Rebuild my Engine!You don't just Slap on NOS and Double Your HP.:rolleyes:

Kaz, are you telling me I couldn't strap on a NOS system and go from 11.20's to 10.60's?!? You and I both know the answer to that my friend!:rolleyes:


John

John you can do anything as long as you have the time and money to do it!Nobody makes a good Bolt on kit.You can custom make one"My Kit was about 2k" then labor to install and tune another 1k.Race Tuner $ .Special Clutch$$$$?Chain Conversion$,AirShifter$LABOR$$?It goes on and on.You might get 1 pass or 100 it's all a GAMBLE when it come to NITROUS!:diablo:

Originally posted by Super Kaz
John you can do anything as long as you have the time and money to do it!Nobody makes a good Bolt on kit.You can custom make one"My Kit was about 2k" then labor to install and tune another 1k.Race Tuner $ .Special Clutch$$$$?Chain Conversion$,AirShifter$LABOR$$?It goes on and on.You might get 1 pass or 100 it's all a GAMBLE when it come to NITROUS!:diablo:

Kaz, I understand ALL of that, but to go 10.60's is MUCH easier than trying to break into the 9's. Thus much cheaper too.

John

Maybe at Your Track!;)

The ratio of speed vs. money is exponential. The biggest gains are usually made with the least amount of time and money in the very beginning. It's that last 10% that will make you crazy.

One of the reasons I got out of the boat racing was the spiraling costs. I spent 15K to go from 68 mph to 78 mph, another 10K to get to 82 mph. To be competitive in my class I either had to drop back below 80 (not likely) or get to 90. The jump to 90 mph would have set me back another 25K - 30K (supercharger, out drive package, pistons, crank, headwork........). Hardly worth it IMHO so I got out of racing and enjoyed the 82 mph boat for another 2 years.

Kaz can always take off the training wheels and slick and have a kick as* boulevard rocket ;)

Mark,
My plans are to run my number" sub 9.99" at the next couple of times at the track then get a spare rear wheel to mount my slick on.That way I can put my 240 back on and run it on the street.The gearing is much to agressive for any long rides but it sure would draw a croud at the 7-11!:eek:

Now I'm sure this is just a girly answer - but why not get a 600 sports bike?
You could ruin the engine on that by racing and keep your VRod for looking incredibly cool on. And it'll still be faster that most things on the road.
;)
Christine

It's not just going 9.99 in the 1/4 mile that's the target, it's doing it on a V-Rod without any internal engine modifications.

If it was easy then everyone would be doing it and if everyone was doing it then where's the challenge?

Buying a sub 10 second bike would be easy. Kaz never does anything easy :diablo:

No I understand what Kaz is doing - my reply was for John.
And I also understand what he means.:)
Christine

I am positive that I am not going to argue with anyone that teaches microbiology. And if she sends me a fruit cake at xmas, I'm not eating it.:D

Originally posted by Max
I am positive that I am not going to argue with anyone that teaches microbiology. And if she sends me a fruit cake at xmas, I'm not eating it.:D


LOL

So THAT's why people don't like my cooking.

Christine

Hi Christine,
I don't want a Jap bike, I want a relatively fast V-Rod. I could spend $12K and ride a bike off the showroom floor that will run 9's, but that's no challenge.


John

I don't eat a fruit cake, no matter who sends it.

Originally posted by Ketsugo
Hi Christine,
I don't want a Jap bike, I want a relatively fast V-Rod. I could spend $12K and ride a bike off the showroom floor that will run 9's, but that's no challenge.


John
I know what you're saying John, but the V Rod is a relatively fast bike - yours especially. So if there's no challenge in riding a stock 600 that will run 9s, why do you hate it when you're slower than one?;)

It's OK you don't need to answer that one:D
Christine

Originally posted by Christine
I know what you're saying John, but the V Rod is a relatively fast bike - yours especially. So if there's no challenge in riding a stock 600 that will run 9s, why do you hate it when you're slower than one?;)

It's OK you don't need to answer that one:D
Christine

Hi Christine,
First a correction. A stock 600 runs about 11.00. It takes a 1000 or larger sport bike to dip into the 9's. Why do I hate it? Because I'm very competitive. I want it all my dear!


John

I just want the fruitcake that noone else wants. I eat most anything!

It's unlikely that anything I ride would get into the 10's and especially not make it into the 9's.

Kaz,
By the way I have to travel to the land of Kaz next week for a conference. Is the Harley dealership (or is there more than one) located anywhere near the MGM Grand? Must go purchase a t-shirt of course.

Originally posted by Ketsugo
Why do I hate it? Because I'm very competitive. I want it all my dear!


John

I understand.
I am also impressed that you were describing something you actually experienced ( did that happen at the track or on the road?)
I never understand it when people just quote numbers from magazines.
I know Kaz's bike is fast - but it wouldn't be if I were riding it*. I'm just missing the necessary equipment to go that fast:D (*yes, of course this is just hypothetical)

But I wanted a VRod because I saw a photo and liked the way it looked - it's a bonus that it's a bit nippy.

So anyway, I guess that big bore kit sounds like a good idea, John.

Cheers
Christine

Hi Christine,
The interaction with the 600 was on the street. I will be doing the BB kit the first part of next year.

John

Originally posted by Christine
I know Kaz's bike is fast - but it wouldn't be if I were riding it*. I'm just missing the necessary equipment to go that fast:D

But I wanted a VRod because I saw a photo and liked the way it looked - it's a bonus that it's a bit nippy.

Cheers
Christine

I guess no one is really unequiped for that last comment!:eek:

Scout

I thought I was Joe Rocket last time at Pocono race track ridin my Aprilia until some pretty little lady on a 600 out cornered me and pushed me back to 3rd place. Moral is "there's always somebody faster"

Sorry Euro But I would Crash my Brains out First before I let a Girl beat me on the Track!:diablo:

I blew by her on the straight, but that light little bike on that tight track snuck by me on the last turn. I gotta admit that it was like slow motion when she inched by me and all I did was stare at her ass angled up in those tight leather pants she wore.

I'M SORRY BUT I DON'T CARE HOW FINE THAT ASS IS!I'm runnin her wide in the last corner or swapin some body work!I'd make it up to her after the race though!!!!!!!!:diablo:

Kaz, my GOOD friend you are oozzzzing insecurity!


John

john, my old beat up interceptor (700cc) ran 10.59@122.4
and its an 86 model, of course it has alot of mods and its not near as heavy and big as the v-rod.
i guess i don't really have a point to this..*shrugs*..it's late and i just worked 22 hours..

what the v-rod will run stock is not bad at all for a (power) cruiser.

Hi Shawn,
I don't need to run 9's to feel like a man. But I want to be able to run with most sport bikes. A stock V-Rod can't do that.

John

Competitive Yes Insecure NO!:slap2:

But I want to be able to run with most sport bikes. A stock V-Rod can't do that
While keeping up in terms of acceleration is certainly possible I'd say that the odds are stacked firmly against us in terms of high speed cruising / top speed. Get to a certain point and DRAG really comes into play, and compared to practically any off the floor sportbike a V-Rod has all the aerodynamics of a brick. Ie you have to pump out a lot more effective ponies just keep up, much less outperform him. Not too mention that you would most likely need arm upgrades (as in bionic :D)

Thor

Or move the pegs back and put drag bars on it to get into a more aggresive riding position. I can pull full throttle and not feel that I'm falling off the back.

True, true - every little bit helps, but I'd say that even if you where able to tuck yourself into the instrument cluster you'd be generating more drag than your average sportbike. Then again, thats not really what this bike is all about, now is it ;)

Thor

Kaz,

I've had soooo much fun with guys that have the "girl" phobia with my last race boat. With the separate throttle and steering it was so easy to embarrass guys, sometimes to the point of them not even returning to the dock after a race.

I'd be in the passenger bolster and my wife would be in the drivers seat. She would wave at them as we blew past. On one occasion we were so much faster we circled around and literally ran circles around them.

You should have heard the cat calls and razzing that they would get IF they bothered to return to the dock.

Being competitive is great, I have the same affliction, but it really shouldn't matter what gender you're racing. I have the utmost respect for female racers in any form of racing and have no problem treating them as equals on the course. I don't want to win any more simply because it's a girl driving. I simply want to win. If I lose fair and square to a woman then I will be the first in line to congratulate her.

Originally posted by Super Kaz
Competitive Yes Insecure NO!:slap2:

IF that were the case, it would make NO difference what the gender of your competition is.:biker:


John

Believe me if it was You, Her or Valintino Rossi comming to the last corner and I was leading you would NOT BE GETTING BY!:diablo:

Originally posted by Ketsugo
Hi Christine,
First a correction. A stock 600 runs about 11.00. It takes a 1000 or larger sport bike to dip into the 9's. Why do I hate it? Because I'm very competitive. I want it all my dear!


John It's hard to get even a 1000 into the 9's. You have to tie the front end down and do alot of stuff to keep the front down. My 03 gsxr 1000 I can only run a 10.5 without it being set up for drag race.

With a good rider, your bike will run 9.90's!

GSX-R1000 ('02) 8/02 9.92 @ 144.96

http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_perf_nums/#suzuki


John

if it was only that easy john!:rolleyes:

I watched a BONE STOCK Busa go 9.88 at Pomona when I ran 11.29!


John

Originally posted by Ketsugo
With a good rider, your bike will run 9.90's!

GSX-R1000 ('02) 8/02 9.92 @ 144.96

http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_perf_nums/#suzuki


John but thats with a pro rider and there are alot of other varibles

Originally posted by Ketsugo
I watched a BONE STOCK Busa go 9.88 at Pomona when I ran 11.29!


John A busa is also 300 cc more and not as wheelie prone

Your track"Pomona"is slanted down hill and is at sea level so thats not a fair comparison!I have raced manny in Vegas and only 1 has run a 9.93@ 146 and it was NOT STOCK! :eek:

It is NOT down hill! first 1/8 down, last 1/8 uphill!

John

Tim,
Let me introduce you to John "Ketsugo." He is rarely wrong about anything he takes the time to type, and read the message over his Avitar... it's not a joke!;) It's good to have a fresh voice on the forum!

Mike

Hey wipe the brown stuff of Your Nose Travis!:slap2: John has been wrong before !Check the stats on Pomona it almost 10ft but with in the limit to be legal!I went to Frank Hawley's Drag Racing School there to get my Pro ET License! :cool:

Kaz, if the track was down hill, it wouldn't be NHRA approved! Pull your ass out of your head, and get real my friend!


John

Bro there is a Maximum 10 ft start to finish and it is just shy making it legal.Don't believe me do your Google dance and find out for your self!:rolleyes:

I know that sh!t my friend. And Pomona is LEGAL! I have had a NHRA license for 26 years (yes I'm old). But get real, there are MANY records still current from the HOME OF DRAG RACING!

Pomona is where it all started!


John

OK OK talk about thread drift. John we already split this thread off one time so let's get it back on track please.

Originally posted by Super Kaz
Hey wipe the brown stuff of Your Nose Travis!:slap2: John has been wrong before ! :cool:

P.S. SATCOM the Air Force Guy is Travis, VRODScout, the Army guy is called Mike! And I washed my face! John... Kiss my a$$!!:goof

Mike

P.S.S. Sorry, Max... Had to...:rolleyes:

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHPSSS!SORRRRRRRRRRY!:hiding:

I got just the thing for those pesty 600s.... when they go by on their bikes. I leave the 02 v rod at home and get on my new 04 kawaski zx10r. I wear my leather jacket with the big v rod on the back........v rods rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you guys got to get one....its only 10999 and you get 163.2 h/p and 400 lbs ....you better like looking at the clouds because you cant keep the front wheel on the ground under 150 mph ... get the green ones...they are faster!!!!!!!!!!!

I got just the thing for those pesty 600s.... when they go by on their bikes. I leave the 02 v rod at home and get on my new 04 kawaski zx10r. I wear my leather jacket with the big v rod on the back........v rods rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you guys got to get one....its only 10999 and you get 163.2 h/p and 400 lbs ....you better like looking at the clouds because you cant keep the front wheel on the ground under 150 mph ... get the green ones...they are faster!!!!!!!!!!!
I just saw them the other day and I heard they were Wheelie Monsters! :eek: I just got rid of my Ducati's and I'm trying to BEHAVE! :banghead: Your Killing My!11k for 163 hp and 375lbs."dry" it's s Tuff thing to Pass Up! :kaz:

I am thinking about buying my buddy's '97 Honda CBR600, not so much for the speed thing, but for the knee draggin!
I also love the new streetfighter look, and it'd be a good bike to 'fighter-ize.

hey kaz....I think I smell a turbo for my kawasaki in the future and some heavy weights tied on the front wheel or maybe sand bags.....got any tips?

1/4 mile time? So what. I can't believe I just spent five minutes reading these threads. There is more to riding a V-rod than stop watch vindication. Mine is completely stock, and it goes as fast as I really need to go (and then some). I don't feel like I need to defend my purchase to anyone that owns a Japanese 600. Apples and oranges, my brothers. Some people like wine out of a box, some people like Dom Perignon. If you must feel superior to those fellas, then hook a chain to both of your frames and head in opposite directions. My good money says the V-rod torque will yank the frame off of the sport bike.

Here's a little trick I leard for playing with Sportbikes on my Vmax, works on my Vrod too. when you get them on the freeway you tease them alittle. just enough to make them want to show you how BAD they are. 9 times out of 10 they will pull up next to you about 65mph and then do a wheely and take off. Wait till they start to bring it up then downshift and take off!! they have to back off or flip the bike. I can usually take them to about 125mph or so before the 750 or liter bikes catch me. Then I usually just wave as the go by. I love to deflate those big EGOs but you need an edge. My Max has 135RWHP> but the aerodynamics of a brick too. Bill

hey kaz....I think I smell a turbo for my kawasaki in the future and some heavy weights tied on the front wheel or maybe sand bags.....got any tips?
it's called an 8 over swingarm"8Inches Longer than Stock" it what all the Fast Guys use! :kaz:

I just let the sports bikes go, plastic is always going to be lighter and hence faster, but's that's it. It's only plastic. Quality goods made to last are made of metal. Did I forget to mention I'm still running mine in. :)

ba 49...years ago I used to race all the time...I would drive up next to my freinds 750 reach over and hit his kill switch... and then take off on my slower bike...it worked most of time...boy did he get mad! would not do that stuff now...

any idea how many hp/torque can be realistic w/ big bore,28t pulley and pc111? no headwork or cams. Chopper Steve is currently working on my bike Tanks terry r

Most 600 will not be much slower than the 1000 in a twistie track. The newer ones will smoke us. Do not even try and think of the 1000's. Get real guys. I may be competitive but still agree with Christine. It must have been a good rider John was up against in the 600. Out of the hole most will have a hard time catching up. Hayas and ZX12R's? Just forget it. I hate it too. Can kick most 600's in the ass, some 1000's, almost none with expert riders but most are not. Forget the slant, say it was 11.5, MF fast it still is and seems like the fastest stock V-Rod in the forum WITH evidence and the cojones to back it up. Kaz's is fastest but not really much "stock" in it.

Japs are well built. Equal or better quality, even if it hurts. More protected from the elements, you get less wet. More powerful. Faster. Easy. Not all are uncomfortable. A lot less expensive. Not half the class as with the V-Rod which was not really intended as a Jap killer.

terry r....130 h/p and 88ft lbs of torgue....enjoy

It's true you will not get near a decent rider on a 1000 Jap but 600's are a close run thing.

I have had two encounters with Kawasaki 636's and both times they did not get away until speeds were near 120.

On the freeway the v-rod consistantly out dragged a 2000 CBR 600 from 80 to 110.

The main point is that the v-rod is a much better all round motorcycle. I have always had sportsbikes apart from one Harley, ten years ago.

My last bike was a 996 Ducati and it used to come out for a 40 mile flat out thrash and be put away.

I have done more miles in one year on the V-rod than 3 years on the Ducati.

I would not have bought another Harley if it was'nt for the V-Rod but this bike is still fast and looks the business.

I love it whan the jap bike rider won't even acknowlege you at the next stop light after having the suprise of his life (bet he dosn't tell his mates down the pub about being outdragged by a Harley).

Still looking for more though, 28 tooth is next on the list.



:twisted:

Steve, I installed the 28tooth and it does make a difference. I've got 116rwhp. along with the 28t. and it really has some nuts. I've beaten several Vmaxes in 5th gear roll ons. Also the PCIII and the dyno tune really helped my midrange(about 10hp worth). Not too many Cruisers will beat us. You have to do quite abit of engine work to get that kind of power from most cruisers. Bill

With the v-rod, even the stock ones, here is the truth. If you ride with rangers, when they take off, you will have no problem keeping up. You won't kill them, but you will surprise them. When they pull over, they will tell you something like: I knew the V-Rod was fast, But I had no Idea it was THAT FAST! It happened to me, several times.
The v-rod for the most part is the king of cruisers, except for Rocket III, which is just an ugly beast.
And if you want to compete with the 600's get a GSXR 750, or the '04 R6, R1, or if money is no object an MV AUGUSTA. Then you can compete, otherwise, feel good about what you ride.

Hot Rod, it's just some fun. No need to defend any purchase to anyone. Apples and oranges is exactly right. It is not me looking for it, I know that's what at least I mention at times. Really most of the time these guys (and I'm one of them too) approach you. Keep in mind those great Jap bikes will make you realise you are in something very powerful. Most people like that. They'll see this so called Harley V-Rod and have laughed at the HOG thing, I know I do, and they'll wanna have some fun with you. Which is soooooo OK with me. But I agree and do not feel Harleys are much good racing and that's OK too, they do most everything else perfect. V-Rod is a 10, others are 8-9, maybe.

You go down the street :moped: minding your own bussiness when a 600 rice burner stops right beside you at the stoplight fttttttTTT, hits the limiter and goes :moon: when it gets green leaving you in smoke. You softly go :ride: to the next one and say "wanna race" :lick: . Guy will go :eek: and when it goes green you go :angeldev: and kick his ass 'cause he didn't realise this HOG could launch so fast and he could not catch up and when it got even you were inching away from him. Then :hitfan: for real because he's going to want and do it again, this time roolling, drop two gears without much show and whack it open. He'll go :soapbox: F'tD'tMF'r HDassPissCulo TetaPuņetaMaricon and you'll go :ride: again.

I'm getting me another rice burner in the near future and that's that. ZX10R sounds good my man. I just love it but also like the newer ones with the undertail exhaust. Could not keep the front end of my 03 R1 down much either.

Guys I'm from Atlanta and a local dealership (Atlanta Harley Davidson) has one of the nicest VRODS I've seen. He's completed repainted the bike to take on the appearance of a P51 Mustang. But the nicest thing of all is that the bike has been stroked, cam work done and some other items that I can't remember. It's the owners bike and I've been told that he's putting 128hp to the ground. The bike sounds nothing like a VROD anymore but it does sound awesome.