A number of folks have asked to see pics of the Pingel Electric Shifter when it was complete. I was at the shop yesterday and was able to take a few close-ups of it on the rack. They are still trying to work out some electronic bugs - thanks for the help Rick..... Hopefully it will be complete by next week. It is shifting (mechanically) fine right now but blowing an ECM fuse when shifting from 2nd to 3rd. I know that others like Larry have had problems in the past with the electronics so I will post on the solution when it is worked out.

I left my Nitrogen Bottle open at the chassie dyno shop the night before the race.I forgot about till I went up to make my first pass of the day and my Tank was empty!I FREAKED!I checked the whole pits and Nobody had a spare Nirogen Tank! :mad: I got my Air Compressor up to 120 and that worked but I was BENT!!!!!!!!!!!!Get the Electric Shift Figured out so I don't have to go through that again! :thumb:

Kaz,
I chose the electric because of the chrome, lack of bottles that need to be mounted and I wasn't up for all the hassles at the track - I am pretty sure that I could screw up a one car funeral - therefore looking for simple set-up - of course you are aware of this as we've known each other for quite some time now - but for others looking at set-up options..... Anyway I may start a thread up on a streetable/conservative notrous set-up. I would really appreciate some of your insight on this topic.
Kevin

Spelling correction - i.e.nitrous.......need a spell checker....

A number of folks have asked to see pics of the Pingel Electric Shifter when it was complete. I was at the shop yesterday and was able to take a few close-ups of it on the rack. They are still trying to work out some electronic bugs - thanks for the help Rick..... Hopefully it will be complete by next week. It is shifting (mechanically) fine right now but blowing an ECM fuse when shifting from 2nd to 3rd. I know that others like Larry have had problems in the past with the electronics so I will post on the solution when it is worked out.


Kevin,

Thank you for posting the pics and talking to me on the phone the other day. If all works out well for you, that will definitely be installed with my rebuild. As I stated when we talked the other day I am only interested in the up shift without the clutch and foot pedal. I can down shift with the clutch and and foot pedal. When reading the instructions on my new Climax bars they indicate that buttons on the bars (turn signals and horn) can be used for other purposes. With that said I am thinking about using the horn button as a left turn signal and the left turn signal button as the up shift. I have one other alternative. That is, with the Climax bars when you turn the left grip it turns on the bright lights. I will look into using that for my up shifts and leave the left turn signal and horn as they were designed. I also like the ability to do full throttle shifting. Just turn the throttle wide open, do not let off the throttle and just push a button or in my case turn the left grip to up shift.. No letting off the throttle, disengaging the clutch by squeezing the clutch lever and shifting with the foot shift lever. That is a close to an automatic transmission as it gets.

Please keep us posted.

Frank

Frank,
it's Like CHEATING! :diablo:
Kevin,
I would be glad to help you, and also introduce you to my Nitrour Guru's!Sound like it's gonna be fun! :thumb:

kevin
you mounted it right where i did, one thing i learned,make sure you get
it centered in the swivel (spelling) i did'nt and it would not fully engage
4th gear and would pop out of gear. not good! did you here from kliltronic?

Don't know about kiltronics - I need to call and check - been on the road - what do you mean center of the swivel?
Kevin

The Swivel Or Cradle That The Shift Slave Rides In.you Center It
So There Is No Pressure On The Shift Rod (or Plunger).i Noticed
In The Picture That It Isnt Centered. That Unit Pulls 30 Amps
When Engaged If It Binds That Could Be Whats Blowing Fuses.
Mine Only Bound In 3rd To 4th Gear Shifting.not Allowing Full
Travel It Would Pop Out Of Gear.are You Getting Your Power
From The Ecm Power Line?

You are still confusing me Rick - the terminology - I see 4 parts - 1. the large cylinder that houses the electric shifting mechanisms - 2. the shaft that comes out of the large cylinder - this thing moves to shift it. 3. the bracket that mounts the large cylinder to the bike frame and 4. the end peice that connects to the shifter. Now using those terms what are you trying to explain - sorry I am slowwwwwww.
Kevin

GET THE AIR ONE! :chair: ;)

The Bracket I'am Talking About Holds The Large Cylinder To The Bike
It Needs To Be As Close To The Center Of The Cyl. As Poss. So The Small Rod That Shifts Dosent Bind On The Housing.(large Cyl.) The Large Cyl.will
Move Up And Down As You Upshift And Down Shift.because The Mounting
Bracket That Holds The Large Cyl.to The Bike Swivels Up And Down.

Kevin,
what I think Rich is saying(from what I understood and see in the pics).Is that the cylinder is angled up towards the shifter lever.If you put it more level with the ground.You want to take an imaginary line from the the lever hole, thru the lenght of the elec shift rod.With it being level with the ground.
IMHO

Thanks Rick - I will check into it - the bracket is welded to the frame so I do not believe that it pivots - but will check - they are getting a differant kill box - believe that will address fuse issue - it was not kicking fuse when used without the kill box - Kaz as always thanks for the encouraging idease - it is always wonderful to hear "you shoulda donit the other way advice when in the midst of troubleshooting - now about those spark plugs you keep melting.....:)
Kevin

Kevin,
My dear friend I just KNOW WHAT WORKS! :slap: Now Ive been around the pits at enough AHDRA ,and BEEN IN the Tech line in the V-rod Class to see what they"all the fast guys"use!Not ONE my friend uses ELECTRIC! :chair: WHY?Maybe you can get it to work"for Now",but do you really think it will be working on a consistent basis all season?Is it worth the Time and Trouble you and others have put in?Maybe so maybe not!I'm SORRY FOR BURSTING YOUR BUBBLE! I would'nt if I didn't CARE! :kiss: ;) :kaz:

KAZ The price of innovation my friend - I waited a year for that thing to come out as it was in testing - I think that it will be superior - but that is my guess - Rick - have you been satisfied with your setup? I know that the air shifters have their problems also - I have seen many a race lost as a result - but many won also. And as you know I am stubborn when I get my mind set on something. When is your engine work scheduled,,,,, you know that I am also trying to figure out a nitrous setup.....KazLight.
Take care, Kevin

I'm in the Process of putting together something HUGE! :dance: To early to talk about but my fingers are crossed! ;) :kaz:

Well For 175 Passes,(and I Have All The Time Slips) 2 Runs The Electric
Shifter Malfunctioned. But In Its Deff. It Was The Mechanic's Miss
Adjustment's That Were At Fault,not The Unit It's Self.your Problem
With The Kill Box Would Be The Same With A Air Shifter. I Had To Change
To A Air Shifter Only Because The Nhra Kerker Motorcycle Series Dosent
Allow Elec.shifters Or I Would Still Use It. I Still Run Mine On The Street.
Because I Like To Use It In Stop Light Battles.AND I DONT WANT TO WORRY
ABOUT THE BOTTLE PRESSURE.I'AM SURE YOU'LL GET IT SORTED OUT.
NOT MANY THINGS COME READY TO BOLT ON AND GO.AT LEAST NOT
IN MY WORLD.

I'm in the Process of putting together something HUGE! :dance: To early to talk about but my fingers are crossed! ;) :kaz:
Your going with a turbo aren't you? :angeldev: Combined with the BB.you are gonna have one super fast bike. :ride: :diablo:

:hidesbeh: ;)

:hidesbeh: ;)
Just Boost It :diablo:

Kevin,

What is the status of your electric shifter. Do you have it working properly. Does it work well for street use. Normal driving.

Thanks
Frank

Frank,
They had a 4 coil instead of a 2 coil ignition interupt box. Pingel replaced it and now all is well. They are waiting a final peice of chrome before releasing it to me, I will test it on the street and give you feedback - they tell me it works very well. I will also be having the bike dynoed and tuned for the season - giving both the engine and the shifter setup a full stress test while it is tied down prior to me taking it to the track - so far it looks like a solid setup. What is the status on your project - parts back? I may need to come down and see that thing when you are done....
Kevin

Have you gotten the shifter to work without fuse trouble? Would you recommend it?
thanks
tom

Whats the Latest?I need a Shifter for my Turbo Bike.Is it as Easy to setup and use as my Pingel Air Shifter? :hmm:

Kaz - I need to work out some bugs - so I can not speak to it yet - no bottle - no hoses that is a plus - Next week in the shop to try to get it fixed. I will report back then - RickN has his working - maybe drop him a line and ask his opinion.
Kevin.

Just wanted to chime in with my own results... I've set aside my Sportster (which I "kicked" into gear) for a new Vrod... as a left below knee amputee I can't reach the shift peg to do anything... not to worry, I had the dealer put on the Pingel Up/Down Electric shifter on and I Love it! It works very well, I could not ride a vrod without it.

Pics posted in my gallery! I've mounted it where Pingel says to.

Just wanted to chime in with my own results... I've set aside my Sportster (which I "kicked" into gear) for a new Vrod... as a left below knee amputee I can't reach the shift peg to do anything... not to worry, I had the dealer put on the Pingel Up/Down Electric shifter on and I Love it! It works very well, I could not ride a vrod without it.
Johnny,
Please Post Pics and stuff"Of the Bike ;) "!For the Racer it's the Hot setup "Just the Up Shift model" The Air is Great but only last 1 trip down the Track.I want a street setup on the Turbo Bike that I can use ALL THE TIME! :diablo:

KAz - mini will go into shop next week to work on setup - hopefully it will work after the adjustments - til then I will just have to run the old fashion way.
KSP

The Pingel Shifter is great, very smooth. I have installed it in the stock location for now, wanted it ready for Mrytle Beach. I will wait for winter to weld on the frame, plan to mount by bottom of gas tank. I was blowing EMC fuses but once I turned down the timed signal output of the kill box to minimum (90ms) it quit blowing fuses. If the timing is to long, high current draw on the ECU and pop, there goes another fuse. For the most part very simple install. Power and ground from the battery, power from the ignition, then two brown wires to the (-) side of the coils, then hide all the wires. They do use top quality wire but worthless connectors. I will replace them when I get back also.

Full throttle at red line and shifts smoooooth as silk.

Kevin,

What is the status of your electric shifter. Do you have it working properly. Does it work well for street use. Normal driving.

Thanks
Frank

Check out holeshot.com. About half the price. Installing one on my bike right now. Picture to follow.
ride safe
tom

Check out holeshot.com. About half the price. Installing one on my bike right now. Picture to follow.
ride safe
tom
it will never work! :chair:

A wise man does not use the term "never" in his statements. Never is forever.

A wise man does not use the term "never" in his statements. Never is forever.
Sometimes we need a Challange!I'm giving Him one,Make it Work!It's Kinda of a Little Joke Master P ,but thats OK! :plause:

Hey Super Kaz,
Here are a few pictures of NEVER work! I mounted the shifter solenoid under and infront of the gas tank. (The same place harley mounts the cal. bike cannister). Then the cable runs around the bottom of the frame into a bracket that shifts the transmission rod. Very clean, no big solenoid, about 1/2 the price of a pingel. All the sport bikes are running with this set-up. But it will NEVER work on a v-rod. Somebuddy say stealth!
ride safe
tom

I've bought, used Dale Walker's products before, Holeshot Performance. Was always pleased with his stuff. Used one of his shift/engine kill boxes and pipes, jet kit. He was always very helpfull when you call, and quality products. I have no doubt your electric shifter works great, even if Kaz says it won't. Nice and clean installation.

Kevin,

What is the status of your electric shifter. Do you have it working properly. Does it work well for street use. Normal driving.

Thanks
Frank

Hey Frank,

Do you have a rebuild update? Or am I a spaz (Not Kaz :laugh: ) and did not see the thread?

Hey Frank,

Do you have a rebuild update? Or am I a spaz (Not Kaz :laugh: ) and did not see the thread?


Everything is going well. Waiting on part to arive.

Thanks for asking
Frank

Tom ,
Lets meet up Wensday so I can see it in Person! :slap: Litox and his Friend are in Town .I'm getting them V-rods at the Main store at 8:00 am then were going out for the day.Your invited to Show Off all You Cool New Goodies!I want you to check out my Latest Mods anyways! :diablo: :thumb: :kaz:

Frank - shifter mechanism number 2 installed - I did a quick test ride on the street at the track and it missed a shift so I did not even think of using it - I will run it on the street this week and check it out byut I am not optimistic at this point - may need to move to a third setup - pain in the a... so far - I have such little patience for this innovation set up work - I will check back in with you once I do another trial - I have to adjust the delay also... BTW I went to a 3" throw on the lever -
Kevin

Tom,
Tell everyone what happened! :hitfan: I guess thats why the Old Timers told me Not to mess with it! :rolleyes:

Just finished installing my holeshot electric shifter. Very clean and hidden. While out testing and setting up the kill box, the unthinkable happened. The shaft that attaches to the inside of trans. snapped OFF! First thing I thought was the engine has to come out! $$$ After pushing the bike back home, I open my manual and couldn't believe what I was reading. The first line said, to replace the trans. shaft, the engine does NOT have to come out! So I went down to the dealer, $68 bucks for a new shaft, less than 15 minutes later I was up and running again. I called Rick at nuts & bolts h-d and he said that I had it adjusted to close (hard). He also said he had over 200 runs on the same unit without a hitch. Scared the he!! out of me, but i'll be out their tommorrow pushing the button, and enjoying the ride. I just hope living in vegas and so close to super kaz, (knock on wood) things don't give me anymore trouble.
ride safe
tom

Just finished installing my holeshot electric shifter. Very clean and hidden. While out testing and setting up the kill box, the unthinkable happened. The shaft that attaches to the inside of trans. snapped OFF! First thing I thought was the engine has to come out! $$$ After pushing the bike back home, I open my manual and couldn't believe what I was reading. The first line said, to replace the trans. shaft, the engine does NOT have to come out! So I went down to the dealer, $68 bucks for a new shaft, less than 15 minutes later I was up and running again. I called Rick at nuts & bolts h-d and he said that I had it adjusted to close (hard). He also said he had over 200 runs on the same unit without a hitch. Scared the he!! out of me, but i'll be out their tommorrow pushing the button, and enjoying the ride. I just hope living in vegas and so close to super kaz, (knock on wood) things don't give me anymore trouble.
ride safe
tom
welcome to the Road where Nobody has been before! :hiding: Being a Pioneer is Never easy. :hitfan: Let me know when it's working so we can meet up for a Demo! ;) :kaz:

Anyone know how the PowerCommander QuickShit for the USB PCIII would work with a electric shifter? I know how the QuickShift unit works, just interested in if the response is quick enough to engage with a air or electric shifter.....

TX - that power commander unit also looks pretty interesting to me - unfortunately my die has been cast. Here is my latest update - I currently have the lever that connects to the shaft extended to provide 3" it has an offset to get around the frame - the unit will NOT shift reliably on its own - I can shift it with my foot - simulateaosly applying preasure when the button is pushed - sort of a semi automatic setup - I have the kill box adjusted to what feel resonable - not much bogg on the button and smooth shifting. 1st to second is quite the leap though. I will be going to Street Wars event tonight that I will use as a test and tune session since it is not a points event and little money on the table.... I may baseline first run with a clutch shifting run and then I will switch to the button. I have two goals - one to pickup ET and the other to improve consistency. Also I ordered a 66 tooth rear sprocket and I will soon go back to chain. I want to gear it LOW and see what that does to ET as well as Launch consistancy. I am currently swinging about .05 which I need to tighten up - I bog on launch and I am hoping that lower gearing combined with no bogg will address this issue. I will also knock up rev limiter soon so that I can move shift point to 8875 and have headroom to the rev limiter.

Just finished installing my holeshot electric shifter. Very clean and hidden. While out testing and setting up the kill box, the unthinkable happened. The shaft that attaches to the inside of trans. snapped OFF! First thing I thought was the engine has to come out! $$$ After pushing the bike back home, I open my manual and couldn't believe what I was reading. The first line said, to replace the trans. shaft, the engine does NOT have to come out! So I went down to the dealer, $68 bucks for a new shaft, less than 15 minutes later I was up and running again. I called Rick at nuts & bolts h-d and he said that I had it adjusted to close (hard). He also said he had over 200 runs on the same unit without a hitch. Scared the he!! out of me, but i'll be out their tommorrow pushing the button, and enjoying the ride. I just hope living in vegas and so close to super kaz, (knock on wood) things don't give me anymore trouble.
ride safe
tom

Tom,

How is the electric shifter working for you.

Frank