Its official Eagle Harley Davidson is working with sprintex
to become its north american distributer.
Instalation is complete on our demo R model with great results.
The instalation took about 7 hours and was one of the easiest
I've seen,see the pics attached.
The est. retail price $5995.00
Instalation $450.00
Includes mapping.
Up grades avail.
Dealer pricing avail.
Can be installed by any Harley Davidson dealership.
Pick up and delivery .50 a mile 1000 mile radius.
Call for us for details 765-448-9132

So you weren't slackin' when we talked the other day!! You were actually bolting that thing on!! Sweet bro!!!

I thought the sprintex was driven via an electric motor and all hidden under the airbox cover or was that the one in my dreams ??

more instalation pics

I thought the sprintex was driven via an electric motor and all hidden under the airbox cover or was that the one in my dreams ??

You've been watchin' too much Mad Max!!! :laugh:

seriously,somewhere i saw an electricly driven supercharger

Rick,

What are the HP & Trq numbers.

Frank

Rick,

What are the HP & Trq numbers.

Frank
Frank fix the header to "Sprintex" Rick spelled it wrong.:spank:Looks like another new Power adder to try!:box2

Rick - any pics of the left side of the bike.... KSP

Rick,

What are the HP & Trq numbers.

Frank

141 h.p. and 95 lbs. i'll post the dyno sheet as soon as
we get the dyno computer run files sorted out.

Frank fix the header to "Sprintex" Rick spelled it wrong.:spank:Looks like another new Power adder to try!:box2

OPPS APPEARS I GOT EXCITED OR YOUR RUBBING OFF ON ME
MORE THAN I CARE TO ADMIT.:spank:

That's a sweet and clean setup but the price seems a bit overdone.
Compare that with:
http://www.bahnbrenner.com/media/php/catalog.php?pid=1190&catid=275

Ok, it's apples and pears but nevertheless...

Rick - any pics of the left side of the bike.... KSP


No I did'nt take any because you cant see anything.
Dosent hang down below the frame.
From the left side you would'nt know
it has a blower.

That's a sweet and clean setup but the price seems a bit overdone.
Compare that with:
http://www.bahnbrenner.com/media/php/catalog.php?pid=1190&catid=275

Ok, it's apples and pears but nevertheless...

Add the electric water pump,RandD,billet radiator cap mouth,internal
blower drive shaft,RandD, custom aluminum intake,RandD,
fuel management,billet belt and pully mount and cover,ect.
and of course RandD. :D

Looks like a really nice installation but they need to come up with a better looking belt cover. (IMHO)
:popcorn

6 grand? jeezus, i thought 5 grand was bad enough for a tiny ass turbo on our bikes, what does the pulley drive from if i may ask?

6 grand? jeezus, i thought 5 grand was bad enough for a tiny ass turbo on our bikes, what does the pulley drive from if i may ask?

Stock water pump gear drive,new shaft. The torque curve is as flat as I've seen,
and really strong down low.

Yep, R&D is R&D, I know...
It's a good compressor type, the only one that can possibly take that RPM range IMHO.
What about noise emission, I know it's no big deal in the US, but how about it? Sorry for asking, I already know the answer ;) - let's call it "unique".
Again, I'm very impressed about the clean setup. That's a super job, good idea using that chain drive axle.
I see you are using a different MAP (?) sensor - come on, please, tell us ALL about it :mrgr:

Hmmmm this is all very interesting

What was the final outcome with the engine managment? I heard lots of different ideas being kicked around, but never knew what they finally went with.

now rick when you gonna bolt one of them on one of your 1550 kits

now rick when you gonna bolt one of them on one of your 1550 kits


:D

Do you offer any warranty on the kit if the conversion is done in your workshop?

Price is still to high for the little power you get I would save a few more dollars and just do a big bore. And that belt cove looks bad someone please help it out.

Looks like a really nice installation but they need to come up with a better looking belt cover. (IMHO)
:popcorn

I don't think it even needs it as the driveline is behind the exhaust primary.

I don't think it even needs it as the driveline is behind the exhaust primary.
I think it looks better without that cover. It's not the same cover they showed on their website for their prototype. This one looks like something that was just kinda thrown together out of a hunk of aluminum they had laying around.
Just my:2cents:

I think it looks better without that cover. It's not the same cover they showed on their website for their prototype. This one looks like something that was just kinda thrown together out of a hunk of aluminum they had laying around.
Just my:2cents:

Guess someone found a use for stolen stop signs!!! :laugh:

Guess someone found a use for stolen stop signs!!! :laugh:
Hey Cheatin be careful what you say because there is a carbon fiber cover available that I may show to every one but you.

Price is still to high for the little power you get I would save a few more dollars and just do a big bore. And that belt cove looks bad someone please help it out.
This may make a little less power that a big bore but you can bolt it on and if you want a new bike next week you can switch parts in a few hours and your old bike is gone and the new one has instant power.

Looks like a really nice installation but they need to come up with a better looking belt cover. (IMHO)
:popcorn

I agree... I am interested, but that cover looks ugly.

I think it looks better without that cover. It's not the same cover they showed on their website for their prototype. This one looks like something that was just kinda thrown together out of a hunk of aluminum they had laying around.
Just my:2cents:

Hey Cheatin be careful what you say because there is a carbon fiber cover available that I may show to every one but you.

:rofl:

I agree... I am interested, but that cover looks ugly.
+1
Rick, can we please get some more pics of that area on your bike?


Have you done anything with the TwinTec electronics yet? We haven't got squat for tuners in the southeast, self tuning (even partial) is real attractive.

Hey Cheatin be careful what you say because there is a carbon fiber cover available that I may show to every one but you.

He sent a pic to Me!!:bs: and its Sweet!!!...But you can't see Cheatin..all I can Say is..NaNa na NaNa..

But Paul said he would save you a :cook for old times sake...But No Carbon Fiber for you Child!!:rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:

(okay Paul I yanked his chain..Are you gonna send me one for free as agreed?)..or was that just a Fantasy? of mine..So hard to keep reality and fantasy apart these days..lol..

+1
Rick, can we please get some more pics of that area on your bike?


Have you done anything with the TwinTec electronics yet? We haven't got squat for tuners in the southeast, self tuning (even partial) is real attractive.

Looks pretty cool, my only concern would be with taking the drive off the water pump.. Even with a new shaft the rest of the engine internals that drive the shaft wouldn't have been designed for the amount of force that spinning up snd slowing down the blower will add.. Its fine on a drag strip but I will be interested to see what the reliability is like with road use and an aggressive rider who is accelerating and decelerating quite hard.. I am sure they have done their homework on the design but in my mind if there was a weak spot thats where it would be..

This may make a little less power that a big bore but you can bolt it on and if you want a new bike next week you can switch parts in a few hours and your old bike is gone and the new one has instant power.


Paul-
How do you address the argument that a 50hp shot of nitrous on a stocker will net you the same or more horsepower and torque for under $1k ? Other than having to fill the bottle(s).....oh, and by the way, these nitrous kits are available from Cycle Connection H-D.....:duel:
How's THAT for a hijacked thread??? he he he
Just doin' my job.....

Paul-
How do you address the argument that a 50hp shot of nitrous on a stocker will net you the same or more horsepower and torque for under $1k ? Other than having to fill the bottle(s).....oh, and by the way, these nitrous kits are available from Cycle Connection H-D.....:duel:
How's THAT for a hijacked thread??? he he he
Just doin' my job.....


Mike,
How long is that 50hp shot going to last? The supercharger is always available with power on demand. I like it except for the ugly plate. I think someone can come up with a nicer looking cover.

Mike,
How long is that 50hp shot going to last? The supercharger is always available with power on demand. I like it except for the ugly plate. I think someone can come up with a nicer looking cover.

That was the only argument against nitrous that I could come up with, is having to constantly fill the bottles......but $5k will buy ALOT of bottle fills....

Ok, if warranty is not offered (?) then what would be the TBM (time between maintenance) of the charger and/or the related components?

You've been watchin' too much Mad Max!!! :laugh:


I think Chuck Norris had one on his 4X4 in Lone Wolf McQuade too. Powered it up when they buried him and vehicle in dirt. :laugh:

Thanks Rick.
Still think the cover is nasty ugly, just doesn't look right on the V.

Looking at this picture
http://www.v-rodforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39392&d=1135023948
it seems like one could 'pretty up' this by polishing and chroming the aluminum and finding a better looking pulley and just leave it naked (no cover.)

Is Sprintex going to offer a polished and chromed version?

I think something like the new beltguard from Breathless would look great. Chromed, please.

Rick,

Would it fit under an air box cover like the one on the black demo bike? The air box cover from BPP with the stock instrument cluster. Also, what is your thoughts on using this with a 1550 BB? Would you need to change to low compression pistons?

Frank

Rick,

Would it fit under an air box cover like the one on the black demo bike? The air box cover from BPP with the stock instrument cluster. Also, what is your thoughts on using this with a 1550 BB? Would you need to change to low compression pistons?

Frank
I love where you are going with this Frank!

We think a lot alike!

I have been trying to get my hands on one of these units for months now. The guys at Sprintex seemed to be dragging their feet about being able to export one to the US. It looks like they were actually waiting until they had a deal and did not want to mess anything up until then.

Frank

Paul-
How do you address the argument that a 50hp shot of nitrous on a stocker will net you the same or more horsepower and torque for under $1k ? Other than having to fill the bottle(s).....oh, and by the way, these nitrous kits are available from Cycle Connection H-D.....:duel:
How's THAT for a hijacked thread??? he he he
Just doin' my job.....

HOW ABOUT A 40 SHOT ON TOP OF THE SUPER CHARGER 180 H.P.?
AND EAGLE WILL SELL YOU A KIT FOR LESS THAN THE OTHER GUYS.
(HIJACKED BACK MIKEY).:box2

Did I ever mention that I LOVE the sound of a roots style blower? Wow, I envy you guys.

Kyle

Paul ..Rick.. Larry

I just talked to my friend Dean and he would like to know what you guys think about putting on of these on his BB

Did I ever mention that I LOVE the sound of a roots style blower? Wow, I envy you guys.

Kyle

To clarify this, I think this is a screw type rotor on the Sprintex which is a bit different than a helix type in a roots. Rick, these are screw blowers right? Which would make sense since a screw blower would make better boost in a case this size.:2cents:

It's probably too small for 50% more displacement and changing the transmission ratio would limit the maximum RPM bandwith of the whole setup.
You can exceed the charger's normal RPM limit quite a bit without damaging the bearings but it is not wise to do that on a continiuos basis.
When those screws start scuffing it's getting really nasty.

screw/roots pretty much have the same sound, maybe a bit higher pitched. Think 03 Cobras and Lightnings, thats a wicked sound!

Kyle

AND EAGLE WILL SELL YOU A KIT FOR LESS THAN THE OTHER GUYS.
(HIJACKED BACK MIKEY).:box2[/QUOTE]


Rick-
Come on now man....are you SURE you want to get into a pricing war? he he he
Best to let sleeping dogs lie, eh?

Pricing war on performance parts??? Please, Please, Please! I'm sure I speak for many!

see what you did Rick?!?!?

Cool, as soon as the price war between Eagle and Cycle connection get the nitrous system down to 50 bucks, put me down for one!!! :deal:

Cool, as soon as the price war between Eagle and Cycle connection get the nitrous system down to 50 bucks, put me down for one!!! :deal:
As long as the bottles are made out of Carbon right?

As long as the bottles are made out of Carbon right?

That's right, they gotta' blend in!!

As long as the bottles are made out of Carbon right?
Interesting thought... I've seen some for Nitrogen that is used for paintball guns, I wonder if it would work for Nos. It would sure look cool.

guys, be fair and don't screw the screw thread

Seems likes they had come out with a carbon "look" bottle.....I think it is fiberglass....would you like me to check into it for you? What size bottles are you interested in running? What's it gonna take for me to put you in a nitrous system today???? he he he

Seems likes they had come out with a carbon "look" bottle.....I think it is fiberglass....would you like me to check into it for you? What size bottles are you interested in running? What's it gonna take for me to put you in a nitrous system today???? he he he

I don't know Mike but I think maybe you ought to get those carbon fiber nitrous bottles strap them on your V Rod and get your butt back out to the track so you can catch up with the BadRod!!!

Jeff "King of Nitrous" Hoover

141 h.p. and 95 lbs. i'll post the dyno sheet as soon as
we get the dyno computer run files sorted out.
When can I come down there and go for a demo ride???;)

When can I come down there and go for a demo ride???;)
Today would have been great I think the wind chill at 127mph was only a cool minus 87 degrees

Today would have been great I think the wind chill at 127mph was only a cool minus 87 degrees
As long as the roads are snow free.

:eek: Decisions, decisions, decisions...BB or Supercharger???

guys, be fair and don't screw the screw thread
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

It's probably too small for 50% more displacement and changing the transmission ratio would limit the maximum RPM bandwith of the whole setup.
You can exceed the charger's normal RPM limit quite a bit without damaging the bearings but it is not wise to do that on a continiuos basis.
When those screws start scuffing it's getting really nasty.

Robert,

Thanks for your enquiry.

Currently we can only provide installations to suit the VRSCs that are equipped with a standard 1130 engine. It is our intention to develop a system with a larger supercharger to suit the larger engines and custom versions such as your own, but that work is not completed as yet.

Keep an eye on our site for further developments

Regards,

Sprintex

I don't know Mike but I think maybe you ought to get those carbon fiber nitrous bottles strap them on your V Rod and get your butt back out to the track so you can catch up with the BadRod!!!

Jeff "King of Nitrous" Hoover


Now why didn't I think of that?......hmmmm

the bottles are, in fact, available from Pingel....in a 1.6# size.....FYI

Now why didn't I think of that?......hmmmm

the bottles are, in fact, available from Pingel....in a 1.6# size.....FYI

I wish you wouldnt do that! You know how he is!:angelwin:

he will be out in the garage from now til race season taking bogarts off the big Nos bottle to get him by. he he he

Hey have guys you put this on a BB yet?

How does the supercharger affect gas mileage? I've heard the turbo kills the mileage (if you hit it at all) and the big bore may even add a little. Just curious.

VrodG,

They answered your question a few posts up. The current blower doesn't have the capacity to handle the BB motors. They are working on a different system for the BB motors.

I still haven't seen the answer to the question about fuel management. I know Eagle is a Race Tuner shop and based on their dyno picture and the dyno pipes with the O2 sensors I'm guessing it's a RT map for this system but there must be some ancillary electronics to "fool" the MAP sensor when on boost.

I wonder how a closed loop Alpha-N system would work :D

How does the supercharger affect gas mileage? I've heard the turbo kills the mileage (if you hit it at all) and the big bore may even add a little. Just curious.

The effect is going to be the same, you can't make power without air and gas, the blower stuffs more air into the cylinder and the electronics must compensate by adding more fuel. Of course that only applies when you hammer it since when you are cruising you won't be under boost (usually). Of course YMMV ;)

VrodG,

They answered your question a few posts up. The current blower doesn't have the capacity to handle the BB motors. They are working on a different system for the BB motors.

I still haven't seen the answer to the question about fuel management. I know Eagle is a Race Tuner shop and based on their dyno picture and the dyno pipes with the O2 sensors I'm guessing it's a RT map for this system but there must be some ancillary electronics to "fool" the MAP sensor when on boost.

I wonder how a closed loop Alpha-N system would work :D

NO MAPPING TO THE STOCK ECM NEEDED,PLUG AND GO.

VrodG,

They answered your question a few posts up. The current blower doesn't have the capacity to handle the BB motors. They are working on a different system for the BB motors.

I still haven't seen the answer to the question about fuel management. I know Eagle is a Race Tuner shop and based on their dyno picture and the dyno pipes with the O2 sensors I'm guessing it's a RT map for this system but there must be some ancillary electronics to "fool" the MAP sensor when on boost.

I wonder how a closed loop Alpha-N system would work :D

Mark I saw RobbieLee post but wanted to hear from the eagle boys.

RobbieLee no disrespect on this end:thumb:

NO MAPPING TO THE STOCK ECM NEEDED,PLUG AND GO.

WHY is everyone being so evasive on this question???? Plug and go sounds good but it's not reality, something is being manipulated and all we are asking is for the specifics.

It sounds like inputs to the ECM are being manipulated to "fake" the ecm out. I want the specifics before I even consider bolting up this system.

VrodG,

They answered your question a few posts up. The current blower doesn't have the capacity to handle the BB motors. They are working on a different system for the BB motors.

I still haven't seen the answer to the question about fuel management. I know Eagle is a Race Tuner shop and based on their dyno picture and the dyno pipes with the O2 sensors I'm guessing it's a RT map for this system but there must be some ancillary electronics to "fool" the MAP sensor when on boost.

I wonder how a closed loop Alpha-N system would work :D

Mark,
I spoke with Paul at Eagle for nearly an hour on the phone the other day. The scoop on the ECU is that you basically tune the bike without the blower for the exhaust setup you are running (with a Delphi unit, VRFI, PC3, etc). There is an additional injector mounted to the blower that is controlled by it's own electronics. When you are under boost, the additional controller adds fuel using the additional injector and the 'regular' ECU takes care of the basic needs of the motor.

It all sounds pretty simple and stright forward and Pual said it worked great! Coming from him, I take that with a lot of faith.

The biggest issue that I see with the set up is the belt gaurd -that needs redesigned - possibly using a partial gaurd set-up that is like the Breathless Chain Gaurd - chrome is required and since it is the center peice of the engine it must be be very stylish....... Kevin

The biggest issue that I see with the set up is the belt gaurd -that needs redesigned - possibly using a partial gaurd set-up that is like the Breathless Chain Gaurd - chrome is required and since it is the center peice of the engine it must be be very stylish....... Kevin
I've already got that all worked out! I have a very cool plan for the guard on my system (when I can get my hands on one)! They tell me it will still be towards the end of February since the first batch is already gone!

Mark,
I spoke with Paul at Eagle for nearly an hour on the phone the other day. The scoop on the ECU is that you basically tune the bike without the blower for the exhaust setup you are running (with a Delphi unit, VRFI, PC3, etc). There is an additional injector mounted to the blower that is controlled by it's own electronics. When you are under boost, the additional controller adds fuel using the additional injector and the 'regular' ECU takes care of the basic needs of the motor.

It all sounds pretty simple and stright forward and Pual said it worked great! Coming from him, I take that with a lot of faith.


I wonder what happens when the stock ECU sees the changes occurring from the add on ECU. Wouldn’t there be conflicts?

I wonder what happens when the stock ECU sees the changes occurring from the add on ECU. Wouldn’t there be conflicts?
Well, the stock ECU should not really see a change in the fuel portion of the map since it is based purely on throttle position, RPM, temperature and time. The only area that may be affected (but I think they have that woked out) is the Ignition since it works on the MAP reading. I did not ask if the left the MAP sensor at the front cylinder intake runner or if if was moved to further up the intake route.

Mark,
I spoke with Paul at Eagle for nearly an hour on the phone the other day. The scoop on the ECU is that you basically tune the bike without the blower for the exhaust setup you are running (with a Delphi unit, VRFI, PC3, etc). There is an additional injector mounted to the blower that is controlled by it's own electronics. When you are under boost, the additional controller adds fuel using the additional injector and the 'regular' ECU takes care of the basic needs of the motor.

It all sounds pretty simple and stright forward and Pual said it worked great! Coming from him, I take that with a lot of faith.

That makes perfect sense :thumb:

So I guess it is plug and play (sorry Rick) :D

Well, the stock ECU should not really see a change in the fuel portion of the map since it is based purely on throttle position, RPM, temperature and time. The only area that may be affected (but I think they have that woked out) is the Ignition since it works on the MAP reading. I did not ask if the left the MAP sensor at the front cylinder intake runner or if if was moved to further up the intake route.

The advantage to keeping it on the pressurized side are that timing will be guided by the MAP pressure the cylinders are seeing so it can be optomized to the higher head pressures of positive boost. If you put it upstream of the blower should have the same effect since manifold vacuum should be relative to the amount of air being drawn into the system by the blower. The advantage to moving it upstream is you don't have to deal with positive manifold pressure.

This should work fine with the VRFI with the additional advantage that the VRFI can accept a boost input to further retard timing when the system goes to positive pressure.

DAMN, I really don't need to think about spending more $$$$ right now :broke:

so has anyone got one of these yet what hp are you seeing and what is the total cost.

so has anyone got one of these yet what hp are you seeing and what is the total cost.


:popcorn

so has anyone got one of these yet what hp are you seeing and what is the total cost.
I KNOW BUT I'VE BEEN SWORN TO KEEP IT A SECRET:hidesbeh: !

I KNOW BUT I'VE BEEN SWORN TO KEEP IT A SECRET:hidesbeh: !


Come on Kaz you can tell me. I promise I won't tell anyone. LOL

Did they ever get the blowers in?

I spoke with Paul a little over a week ago and they were still not in yet. I asked to be notified as soon as they had them so I could place my order. They are expecting them any day now.

Since it is Daytona time, I would think we would hear something when the boys return to the shop.

thanks i'm just trying to keep tabs on it.

Come on Kaz you can tell me. I promise I won't tell anyone. LOL
I don't want to Spoil Your FUN!:rofl:

I don't want to Spoil Your FUN!:rofl:
Quit teasing Kaz :sinister:

I'm wating for a 1/4 mile time slip. The proof is in the pudding.

I'm wating for a 1/4 mile time slip. The proof is in the pudding.


...and a few before/after dyno slips would be nice to peruse :coff:


I sure do like the covert appearance compared to the "in your face" look of the turbos :sinister:

...and a few before/after dyno slips would be nice to peruse :coff:


I sure do like the covert appearance compared to the "in your face" look of the turbos :sinister:


I'm with you on that. I personally don't like the look of turbo's and would never do one, but the stealth look of the Supercharger is right up my alley.

but the stealth of the Supercharger is right up my alley.

:surrender Dude, that sounds just wrong!!!:hiding:

Quit teasing Kaz :sinister:
if you Only knew:laugh: !

if you Only knew:laugh: !
I'm sure it would not take too much to add to this :diablo:

I'm sure it would not take too much to add to this :diablo:
Thats The BABY Unit:box2 ! Wheres Big Daddy:duel: !

Thats The BABY Unit:box2 ! Wheres Big Daddy:duel: ! Kaz my pockets are not that deep. There's a stage two coming from what I hear :guns

What is the story on these things? Are we gonna see some dyno numbers someday???

What is the story on these things? Are we gonna see some dyno numbers someday???
If all goes as planned this week I am trying to get mine on the dyno this weekend.

If all goes as planned this week I am trying to get mine on the dyno this weekend.
did you get the BIG one?:popcorn

did you get the BIG one?:popcorn

Come on Kaz you know as well as I do who is getting the first BIG one. Jeff

Come on Kaz you know as well as I do who is getting the first BIG one. Jeff
WELCOME BACK Big Daddy:thumb: !How did JR. ,and the Gang Do:wazzup: ?

Come on Kaz you know as well as I do who is getting the first BIG one. Jeff
Lack of funds holds me to the little one

Lack of funds holds me to the little one

Kev, the BIG one isn't even finished in prototype yet so you got the only one that works, that sounds pretty smart to me!! Jeff

Kev, the BIG one isn't even finished in prototype yet so you got the only one that works, that sounds pretty smart to me!! Jeff
Many thanks sir! :thumb:

Many thanks sir! :thumb:

Thats half the Fun Jeff is doing Something Different that Nobody else ever Has!:kiss: It also Bloody Expensive Learning all the Mistake ,and Problems at your own expense:broke: ! I'm Positive you will be Happy with what ever they come up with I just wish I had a couple Motors to put my Other 2 V-rods Back together:sad: !
SKIROD/Rick Nielson PLEASE PM Me with a List of Motor Parts You have available to put into my Street V-rod :deal: I need the Hook Up:surrender !

JEFF,
You have a Great Bunch of People working with you and an UNLIMITED Amount of Funds:kiss: So I truly expect to see some Earth Shattering Stuff coming out from EAGLE/SPRINTEX & The Badrod Crew in the Near Future:notworth: ;) :kaz:

Frank fix the header to "Sprintex" Rick spelled it wrong.:spank:Looks like another new Power adder to try!:box2

No way to plumb a turbo into the intake of this thing? VW now has a model called the Golf GT - It has a turbo feeding a supercharger....

Get to work KAZ...

No way to plumb a turbo into the intake of this thing? VW now has a model called the Golf GT - It has a turbo feeding a supercharger....

Get to work KAZ...

A detroit diesel engine has a blower and two turbo's. The blower works at the dirrect drive-low end, then the turbo's take over for the high end, and it has a blower disconnect and free wheels while the torbo's push it, not the drive. It would take about 2 or 3 v-rod frames for this.....

A detroit diesel engine has a blower and two turbo's. The blower works at the dirrect drive-low end, then the turbo's take over for the high end, and it has a blower disconnect and free wheels while the torbo's push it, not the drive. It would take about 2 or 3 v-rod frames for this.....

That's where the flux capacitor comes into play!

I guess the next obvious thread will be "Turbo or Supercharger - pros and cons" and is 24 hp really worth 6k$?

I guess the next obvious thread will be "Turbo or Supercharger - pros and cons" and is 24 hp really worth 6k$?


How do you figure 24HP. Most stock Vrods with aftermarket pipes and a fuel management system will be between 105 and 110 at the wheel. The Supercharger will be 140-150 at the wheel. That looks more like 30-40 to me. Plus the Supercharger is a realatively easy install as compared to a big block or turbo and it looks allot better than a nasty turbo hanging off the side of the bike.

well my standard bike dynoed at 102bhp

8 hours later Supercharger installed 142Bhp, we might be upside down here in Aussie but by my maths that is 40Bhp more at the wheel

thats only half the story the torque standard I think was 75Ibs feet @ 7,500
with the blower is was 85Lb feet @ 3,500 and 101@8,000rpm

Its hard to read the dyno sheet, so its not totally accurate but it gives you the picture

well my standard bike dynoed at 102bhp

8 hours later Supercharger installed 142Bhp, we might be upside down here in Aussie but by my maths that is 40Bhp more at the wheel

thats only half the story the torque standard I think was 75Ibs feet @ 7,500
with the blower is was 85Lb feet @ 3,500 and 101@8,000rpm

Its hard to read the dyno sheet, so its not totally accurate but it gives you the picture


Well that looks like a very worthwhile gain, 40% more HP, and loads of torque. 85@ 3.5k, thats very very strong because basically stock 1130cc revo engines are weak on torque down low. I'd buy it just for the torque results alone. Blown Hammer, you ever encounter any hint of detonation or preignition? What octane fuel do you use for everyday riding? Were you burning any special fuel to attain those performance numbers? Are you totally pleased with the blower kit, reliability, the final outcome? How many miles have you put on since the installation? Thx.

I know someone is going to jump me and say PS and HP are not the same but I know they are close... Anyway, attached is my dyno sheet. I pulled 117 PS at the wheel. The only figures on the supercharger that I saw was 141 HP. Now you take 141 and subtract 117 and you come up with a magic number of.....24

Here in Australia the standard V ROD dynos at between 102 and 104 that I know of

I run premium pump gas which is 95ron, i have never had it det or ping on me

The dyno runs where all done on pump gas premium 95ron

done about 10,000 klms on the road and dyno since it was installed

really happy with the outcome, was a bit of a guinea pig on the whole thing

hope this helps

I know someone is going to jump me and say PS and HP are not the same but I know they are close... Anyway, attached is my dyno sheet. I pulled 117 PS at the wheel. The only figures on the supercharger that I saw was 141 HP. Now you take 141 and subtract 117 and you come up with a magic number of.....24

You can't compare dyno numbers between different dynos, especially when you have no idea what standard each one is calibrated to.

My bet is that on this particular dyno you would see around 160 PS at the same boost levels as Hammer.

BTW, is there a particular reason you are trying to throw water on this SC kit? SC's work, that's indisputable and this one is a very well designed kit, I've seen it and heard from people I trust that it works.

You can't compare dyno numbers between different dynos, especially when you have no idea what standard each one is calibrated to.

My bet is that on this particular dyno you would see around 160 PS at the same boost levels as Hammer.

BTW, is there a particular reason you are trying to throw water on this SC kit? SC's work, that's indisputable and this one is a very well designed kit, I've seen it and heard from people I trust that it works.

Nooooo...not at all. Let me be the first to say that I know NOTHING about this stuff. And I didn't think about the dyno diff... You say I may see 160 PS...that is a huge difference. I was just explaining where I came up with the number of 24...

I really would appreciate all the info anyone can offer on this v. the turbo kits that are out there. I have a buddy that is all about superchargers because of the imediate tourque and no turbo-lag, less heat. But they are more power-robbing than turbos. Less efficient.

My goal is this. I'd like something streetable and lower 1/4 mile times. I am not interested in top speed, nor do I want to change a bunch of headgaskets and replace pistons. And, this may seem lame, but I like the look and sound of a turbo and blow-off valve. I need something to turn heads and draw attention. I do not necessarily want stealth.

But I know torque is more important than HP in a 1/4 mile time...right? I just want to figure out best bang-for-buck and what will I be happier with?

A turbo kit for a VW golf VR6 is like 2500 bucks with intercooler. It's hard to justify 5-6k$ for such a tiny little thing. Now I know that the kits are being worked hard on and its not easy to fit all of this in such confined spaces and that costs money and time...but I want to be sure.

Money aside, which is a better application for riding hundreds of miles on end and wanting to play with the sportbikes at the track and on the street? I know I am not going to catch a Hyabusa but imagine his surprise when I beat him light to light?

And in Germany? There is no way I will run into another one. I want people to see and hear that something is different and I wnat htme to say "are you mad?"

I saw a Supercharger and turbo V Rod at the bike fest in Sydney

both had trouble putting the power down and wheel standing down the strip

rear end grip was the problem

you just have to check both options out and put you bucks down for the one that makes you happy

I went for the Blower cause its clean and stealthy I wanted a sleeper and I didnt want to wait 5 weeks for the motor to be rebuilt with a big bore. Turbo wasnt an option here for me, neither was NOS

so i hope it helps ya

I saw a Supercharger and turbo V Rod at the bike fest in Sydney

both had trouble putting the power down and wheel standing down the strip

rear end grip was the problem

you just have to check both options out and put you bucks down for the one that makes you happy

I went for the Blower cause its clean and stealthy I wanted a sleeper and I didnt want to wait 5 weeks for the motor to be rebuilt with a big bore. Turbo wasnt an option here for me, neither was NOS

so i hope it helps ya

Clean and stealthy - maybe to a blind man riding a fast horse.......... I know that it does not look as bad as hanging a lawn mower off the side of the engine but......... the externals on that sytem kill the looks of the VRod IMHO....... Need a cust fabricator to do some work here as Spindex certainly did not pay attention to style - just mfg simplicity and function.

Note: I do have a few ideas on this cover that I am thinking about that I think might address the styling issue - basically trying to keep with the lines of the head and possibly doing a number plate at the bottom portion - I might try to sketch this up - but if you can do something here it could really make the system blend and be a head turner.....
KSP

Clean and stealthy - maybe to a blind man riding a fast horse.......... I know that it does not look as bad as hanging a lawn mower off the side of the engine but......... the externals on that sytem kill the looks of the VRod IMHO....... Need a cust fabricator to do some work here as Spindex certainly did not pay attention to style - just mfg simplicity and function.
KSP
I have too agree with this comment, a little more styling could have been incorporated...I would love to see one up close....:karate

Just looking at the pictures from the Vance and Hines website, it appears as though their version of the belt cover has changed up the aesthetics a bit to make them appear more like the fins on the heads. This was the direction I was planning to go as well.

Just seen a Night Rod with a different cover

will take a picture and post it for you

Hey, I was was just thinking of the spacer that is used for the destroyer air box cover. It spaces the air box lid up 1" or something like that.....I wonder if using the piece would allow for the BPP to be used???? Anybody have a take on this???? I know that clearance is an issue and I would like to go this route, but dont want to change the air box cover and go through paint again.

One of you guys at Eagle bolt the bbp air box on the SC with the destroyer spacer and tell me :wazzup:

Thanks
Jack

Actually, I'm thinking what Sprintex did with the belt/pulley cover is just right; maximum metal. Now it's up to the owner to hike on over to the water jet/laser cutter guy and have the cover carved into his own vision of what's cool.

Hey, I was was just thinking of the spacer that is used for the destroyer air box cover. It spaces the air box lid up 1" or something like that.....I wonder if using the piece would allow for the BPP to be used???? Anybody have a take on this???? I know that clearance is an issue and I would like to go this route, but dont want to change the air box cover and go through paint again.

One of you guys at Eagle bolt the bbp air box on the SC with the destroyer spacer and tell me :wazzup:

Thanks
Jack


I'm definately interested in seeing if that works out. I'm in the same boat with my BPP airbox and don't want to change it. Especially with my custom gauge setup.

Looks like a really nice installation but they need to come up with a better looking belt cover. (IMHO)
:popcorn

What about a lexan/plexiglas belt cover? Would be cool to see the belt.

That might be kinda cool if the Plexiglas was smoked or tinted in a complimentary shade.