: BB $ per HP..
WipeOut 10-23-2005, 10:31 AM Open to correction but this is what it looks like..
Stock we will set at 105 rwhp..
1320 @ +- $4500, output around 135rwhp..
$ per HP - $150
1430 @ +- $8000, output around 145rwhp..
$ per HP - $200
1550 @ +- $10000, output around 165rwhp..
$ per HP - $166.67
If we add turbos..
Turbo @ +- $5000, output around 145rwhp (keeping the boost streetable)..
$ per HP - $125
Turbo @ +- $5000, output around 160rwhp (streetable according to Kaz :angeldev: )..
$ per HP - $83.33
I figure this should give members some help in the decision making process.. or not.. :)
Super Kaz 10-23-2005, 10:45 AM Open to correction but this is what it looks like..
Stock we will set at 105 rwhp..
1320 @ +- $4500, output around 135rwhp..
$ per HP - $180
1430 @ +- $8000, output around 145rwhp..
$ per HP - $200
1550 @ +- $10000, output around 165rwhp..
$ per HP - $166.67
So by the looks of it the best value for money HP is to go for the 1550 Big Bore..
The down side is parting with the $10k.. :)
If we add turbos..
Turbo @ +- $5000, output around 145rwhp (keeping the boost streetable)..
$ per HP - $125
I figure this should give members some help in the decision making process.. or not.. :)
Sorry but that 145rwhp is Way to Low for one of my RCC Street Kits :wazzup: !They make 160rwhp on Pump Gas and 6.5lbs of Boost on a Box Stock V-rod all day long :eek: Add some Race gas and Turn up the Boost and Your at 200rwhp on a Stock V-rod :angeldev: Bang for Buck Nothing come Close :2cents:
WipeOut 10-23-2005, 11:14 AM Sorry but that 145rwhp is Way to Low for one of my RCC Street Kits :wazzup: !They make 160rwhp on Pump Gas and 6.5lbs of Boost on a Box Stock V-rod all day long :eek: Add some Race gas and Turn up the Boost and Your at 200rwhp on a Stock V-rod :angeldev: Bang for Buck Nothing come Close :2cents:
I think its hard to decied the output of a turboed engine because the boost can be so easily changed to make more power, as you said anything up to 200hp.. Also woudn't 160hp make the bike a little lethal on the road with how hard the power band would kick in if your weren't concentrating?
But even at my guess of 145 for the calculation the Turbo ws still the cheapest option for power.. :coff:
I added a second entry to the turbo list at 160hp.. :)
landglider 10-23-2005, 11:16 AM 1320 @ +- $4500, output around 135rwhp..
$ per HP - $180
1430 @ +- $8000, output around 145rwhp..
$ per HP - $200
1550 @ +- $10000, output around 165rwhp..
$ per HP - $166.67
If you factor in the added stress on other components (belt, clutch, bottom end) the 1320 is the wisest cost effective increase in power without lowering the life expectancy of the other engine parts.
The 1550 stroker and 1430 stroker (1/2" = 1550 & 1/4" = 1430) will affect maximum RPM and life of the motor.
The above opinion is based on traditional air cooled HD's with stroked S&S type motors where the larger the stroke = lower life, more stress on the motor, and lower RPMs. It would be awesome if old school math no longer applied to the V-Rod so tell me I'm wrong :stooge:
ggecko 10-23-2005, 11:22 AM If ya want the sound, there is no replacement for displacement. If you want the low end grunt, see above.
Elgavilan 10-23-2005, 11:51 AM Ya might want to check your math on the 1320 option. 30 hp for $4500 = $150 per hp. which makes it a little more competetive in the price range war.
Mike
Super Kaz 10-23-2005, 12:15 PM I think its hard to decied the output of a turboed engine because the boost can be so easily changed to make more power, as you said anything up to 200hp.. Also woudn't 160hp make the bike a little lethal on the road with how hard the power band would kick in if your weren't concentrating?
But even at my guess of 145 for the calculation the Turbo ws still the cheapest option for power.. :coff:
I added a second entry to the turbo list at 160hp.. :)
COOL! :plause: Now you can Add allot to it if you want,but the stock Motor is Super Strong if you have the right tune up :wazzup: !When the stock motor gave in it was because of a Very Lean condition"Bad Fuel Pump" not parts Failure with my old NOS Setup 180+RWHP :biker: !My first Turbo setup was on a Stock Motor with Ti Rods and it made 231rwhp@27lbs of Boost.The Last Motor was Stock Sized with Dryer Top Rods,J&E Pistons,and Mild Cams made 238.6rwhp@22lbs!Nothing exotic except some 12mm Headstuds and Sam Terranova's Engine Building Expertise! :notworth: For 10k you Could have a 300rwhp Turbo Motor but what will BREAK FIRST :eek: ?Speed Cost Money How Fast you wanna GO? :kaz:
CRAZY CLIVE 10-23-2005, 01:37 PM Speed Cost Money How Fast you wanna GO? :kaz:
:broke: As fast as wipeouts wallet can empty !!! :broke:
WipeOut 10-23-2005, 01:52 PM Ya might want to check your math on the 1320 option. 30 hp for $4500 = $150 per hp. which makes it a little more competetive in the price range war.
Mike
Thanks for picking that up, I have corrected it..
WipeOut 10-23-2005, 01:56 PM :broke: As fast as wipeouts wallet can empty !!! :broke:
My wallet is already empy Dude.. :broke:
Any talk from me on mods and the moment is purely for educational value.. :)
All I am currently planning is a PC3 so I can run topless.. :thumb:
Daniii 10-23-2005, 02:00 PM My wallet is already empy Dude.. :broke:
Any talk from me on mods and the moment is purely for educational value.. :)
All I am currently planning is a PC3 so I can run topless.. :thumb:
Not sure you need a PC3 to run topless. I'd check.
shiningrmur 10-23-2005, 02:51 PM Speed kills.....my bank account
Paul Diener 10-23-2005, 02:56 PM Hey Wipeout ,, what about when we just spray nos on stock displacment and make 185 HP for about a grand. 1000 by 80 = $12.5 per HP
WipeOut 10-23-2005, 03:14 PM Not sure you need a PC3 to run topless. I'd check.
Daniii,
The StreetRod is lean when it comes from the factory so I would not trust running topless without some way to add some fuel..
WipeOut 10-23-2005, 03:16 PM Hey Wipeout ,, what about when we just spray nos on stock displacment and make 185 HP for about a grand. 1000 by 80 = $12.5 per HP
Now thats a thought.. :twisted:
Zeeroder 10-23-2005, 03:17 PM Hey Wipeout ,, what about when we just spray nos on stock displacment and make 185 HP for about a grand. 1000 by 80 = $12.5 per HP
I am in... can i pay 2000 and make 265 HP ??? :popcorn
WipeOut 10-23-2005, 03:22 PM I am in... can i pay 2000 and make 265 HP ??? :popcorn
That would make some nice fireworks.. :popcorn
VrodG 10-23-2005, 03:24 PM Hey Wipeout ,, what about when we just spray nos on stock displacment and make 185 HP for about a grand. 1000 by 80 = $12.5 per HP
Wouldn't it be short lived like that ?????
CRAZY CLIVE 10-23-2005, 03:24 PM wasnt there an ad in the classified for a pc3?
WipeOut 10-24-2005, 03:55 AM wasnt there an ad in the classified for a pc3?
Just picked one up off Ebay for £155 ($275) from Fuelmoto..
So after shipping, VAT and charges it should come in at about £70 ($123) cheaper than getting it here.. :thumb:
I have asked them for a price on a K&N filter as well and if its reasonable I will ship both together..
Don't know what the going price is for VRSC K&N filters so will have to look it up on the internet somewhere before they reply so I will know if its a good deal or not.. :coff:
CRAZY CLIVE 10-24-2005, 04:25 AM nice one,wipeout.now to get mapping !
WipeOut 10-24-2005, 04:45 AM nice one,wipeout.now to get mapping !
Yup, as soon as it arrives.. Probably in about a week or so.. :angeldev:
Going to have to try and find a dyno and tuner near by to get it dialed in right, at least I will have the map from the PC website as a base but I am sure going topless and putting in the K&N filter will require some adjustment.. :banghead:
Rick Nielson 11-02-2005, 11:32 PM Wouldn't it be short lived like that ?????
I SPRAYED MY 1320 C.C. AT LEAST 25 TIMES DOWN THE TRACK,IF MANAGED
CORRECTLY DAMAGE WILL NOT OCCUR.IT WILL WEAR A LITTLE FASTER BUT
NOT EXESSIVE, PROVIDED THERE ISNT ANY WEAK PARTS TO BEGIN WITH AS
NOS WILL FIND THEM QUICKLY.IF YOU RETARD THE ING.RUN COLDER PLUGS
ADD ENOUGH FUEL WITH IT YOU CANT BEAT THE BANG FOR THE BUCK :sinister:
mikelewis 11-03-2005, 08:00 AM We sprayed a Suzuki low compression motor EVERY pass for over two years with everything from 120-160hp shot.......ended up breaking a crank but it was a welded stock crank....nothing exotic....and it just finally gave out....
If you put the good parts in the motor up front....and stay to the conservative side on the air/fuel mix and the timing......it'll last forever...
LARRY EDMONDSON 11-29-2005, 08:51 PM Mike, I have to agree i had a kaw turbo with 2 stages of nos that that ran 7.80`s at 190 mph for 3 years and only changed the rings twice, and didn`t have 1 breakdown
harleypower69 11-29-2005, 09:00 PM Mike or Rick...I may have missed this but could you share a link for a serious NOS system, please. I run mine as a bagger and would love to have a stealth setup hidden in one bag. Thanks guys. :cheers:
Super Kaz 11-29-2005, 09:45 PM Mike, I have to agree i had a kaw turbo with 2 stages of nos that that ran 7.80`s at 190 mph for 3 years and only changed the rings twice, and didn`t have 1 breakdown
Hey Sam Terranova's Brother John has something like that!I think it runs Faster but I could have bought it for 1/4 of what I have in just 1 of my v-rods:yak: !It's crazy how much it cost to go that kinda speeds on a Harley:broke: Got any Pics?:cool:
LARRY EDMONDSON 11-29-2005, 10:18 PM Yea, it`s really easy and cheap to do that shit with a jap bike, but to run close to that with a HD no matter what it cost is just no comparison when you think about it.I take our demo out and **** with the Hayabusa`s all the time !
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