: What Size Big Bore
vrod kev 10-11-2005, 06:50 PM Well as fall and winter approach I am really getting the "itch" to get a big bore done. Thought of the Sprintex system but really not sure if I want that, no running history. I already have three people I am looking at to do the B.B. Here's where I'd like to get some input from the forum family. Should I go with a 1430 set up approx 140hp or a 1550 approx 150 + hp. I do not plan to do any racing, maybe an occasional track night. Something that has good torque at low and mid range and streetable. Maybe add some NOS also but not too sure of that yet. Right now I'm running with Rhineharts, a powercommander and 240 rear. Look forward to everyones comments :popcorn
Cheatin 10-11-2005, 06:56 PM Paul Diener's 1550. I rode Bad Rod in KC, also rode Paul's 1430 test mule. I can't believe the difference between the two. Bad Rod rips the front end off the ground just twisting the throttle, yet the 1430 is NO slouch either.
tyson876 10-11-2005, 07:21 PM Paul Diener's 1550. I rode Bad Rod in KC, also rode Paul's 1430 test mule. I can't believe the difference between the two. Bad Rod rips the front end off the ground just twisting the throttle, yet the 1430 is NO slouch either.:stupid: call paul at eagle hd thats the only way to go these guys know there stuff
Frank Storms 10-11-2005, 08:20 PM Do the 1550. One thing that I got from KC was seeing BadRods Eagle HD 1550 put out 246 hp. It sure makes me feel good about going 1550. Jeff's bike took all of the runs at the track (WPB, KC & others), then the runs on NOS at the dyno shoot out, and then a slow ride in a group. Like Cheatin said the difference between stock and 1430 is about the same as 1430 & 1550. The look on Cheatin's face when he got off Jeff's bike was awesome.
http://www.v-rodforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19461&highlight=rock+solid
Frank
vrod kev 10-11-2005, 10:46 PM Yeah I remeber riding Paul's 1550 in WPB that's why I have the itch now.
VrodG 10-11-2005, 10:57 PM Kevin that black bike was a 1430
Qwk Rod 10-11-2005, 11:22 PM I too rode the 1430 at KC and was very impressed and after seeing Bad Rod make the kind of power it did I spoke to Paul & Larry and brought my bike to them the next day after KC for a 1550. Eagle is going to have to come up with some more tricks because with so many 1550s running around especially in Florida which is Jeff's (Bad Rod) home turf Jeff won't be satisfied to just slightly be the fastest but will want to be extremely the fastest. LET THE LEAP FROGGING BEGIN.
BeerMe 10-11-2005, 11:33 PM If you have the money, go BIG. If you have extra money (to quote Troy) I'm looking for a sponsor so I can get a 1550.
WipeOut 10-12-2005, 02:38 AM I had heard that the counter balancer had to be removed for the 1550 big bore.. Is this the case?
BADROD 10-12-2005, 05:40 AM I had heard that the counter balancer had to be removed for the 1550 big bore.. Is this the case?
No sir it is not the case. Jeff
WipeOut 10-12-2005, 06:53 AM No sir it is not the case. Jeff
Cool, thats what put me off the 1550 idea.. Guess its back on the table.. :)
VRODScout 10-12-2005, 07:58 AM Ok.
Let's cut to the chase...
I would like a ball park $$ number for a "rock solid" 1550 with the requsite internal parts so as to not come apart in the first 100 miles. I am lookng for a total from those of you who have taken the plunge. Thanks in advance, fellas....
Mike
Frank Storms 10-12-2005, 08:02 AM Ok.
Let's cut to the chase...
I would like a ball park $$ number for a "rock solid" 1550 with the requsite internal parts so as to not come apart in the first 100 miles. I am lookng for a total from those of you who have taken the plunge. Thanks in advance, fellas....
Mike
Mike,
A little over $10,000. ROCK SOLID
Frank
BADROD 10-12-2005, 08:22 AM Ok.
Let's cut to the chase...
I would like a ball park $$ number for a "rock solid" 1550 with the requsite internal parts so as to not come apart in the first 100 miles. I am lookng for a total from those of you who have taken the plunge. Thanks in advance, fellas....
Mike
As Frank said I also spent just over 10k on the engine build. I'd have to say that "rock solid" is an understatement for the abuse I have put the BadRod through. Jeff
VRODScout 10-12-2005, 08:31 AM Lets see...
5 more months in a combat zone.... Hazadrous duty pay, family seperation pay, tax free... Well if I can convince the wife that we really don't need new living room furniture until next year (currently we have NONE!), that may be doable... or I might just want to stay in Iraq another year and do both!
Mike
BeerMe 10-12-2005, 08:43 AM How much for the 1430?
wpbvrod 10-12-2005, 09:09 AM How much for the 1430?
From Paul:
Just to set the price in stone and no more guessing around. To build a motor just like the one in our Black Demo bike (1430) costs under 8000 for labor to remove and reinstall motor, do all machine work and give back to you running. Most of the time it cost more because everyone seems like they want 100 other times done when they get started. Cost of turbo's after purchase, installation, and fuel mapping is very close to this price. I like turbo,s and think the are great they just fit different peoples life styles and riding habits. Turbos will probably make more HP at peak RPM than big bore but lacks that low end grunt that jecks the handlebars out of you hands at 3500 RPM.
This includes everything for motor (parts and labor) Crank,rods, pistons,liners,cams, gaskets,big throttle body,clutch plates,bearings, etc,etc. You ride your in to our shop as a 1130 and it leaves as a 1430. Motors make around 140 to 145 HP at rear wheel with stock size tire , run on pump gas and start pulling from idle. Any thing else you want to add to the bike which is not between the throttle body and oil pan is extra " new wheels,brakes,exhaust,handlebars,heated grips,seat, braided cables, tail light, etc,etc
Lets see...
5 more months in a combat zone.... Hazadrous duty pay, family seperation pay, tax free... Well if I can convince the wife that we really don't need new living room furniture until next year (currently we have NONE!), that may be doable... or I might just want to stay in Iraq another year and do both!
Mike
Mike have a glass top cut for the bike and tell her it's the new coffee table. :rofl:
VRODScout 10-12-2005, 09:51 AM Mike have a glass top cut for the bike and tell her it's the new coffee table. :rofl:
Now there is a great "out-side-of-the-box" idea! That way I could park the bike inside and then free up garage space for the Tahoe!!!! Great idea Max! ;)
Mike
landglider 10-12-2005, 09:57 AM http://www.zippersperformance.com/catalogue/listproducts.asp?cat=852
Zippers has been around for 20 years and are out of Maryland...
Their 1550 kit says they remove the counter balancer... I just sent them an email and asked if they can make an everyday streetable 1550 that keeps the counter balancer in the works.
Note: Zippers information is for comparison purposes.
wpbvrod 10-12-2005, 11:01 AM Note: Zippers information is for comparison purposes.
These prices doesnt include the removal, installation of your engine. This is just for the Kit.
turfpro 10-12-2005, 11:31 AM How big can you go without getting into the bottom end? 1320? And is a 1550 just a 1320 stroked 1/2"?
ggecko 10-12-2005, 12:17 PM There is no replacement for displacement.........
WipeOut 10-12-2005, 12:59 PM How big can you go without getting into the bottom end? 1320? And is a 1550 just a 1320 stroked 1/2"?
As far as I know you can't do anything without getting into the bottom end because the pistons and their liners are in the bottom casing, all you are seeing when you look at the motor are the heads..
landglider 10-12-2005, 01:23 PM These prices doesnt include the removal, installation of your engine. This is just for the Kit.
Right... but it does include cams, head work, oversize valves, springs ...
It shouldn't cost 2k to pull the motor and stick it back in...
Frank Storms 10-12-2005, 01:31 PM Regarding BIG BORES. IMHO, There is only one place to go EAGALE HD. Ask for Paul or Rick.
Frank
wpbvrod 10-12-2005, 06:22 PM Right... but it does include cams, head work, oversize valves, springs ...
It shouldn't cost 2k to pull the motor and stick it back in...
Right, so at the end you will be spending the same $ as sending it to HD EAGLE. As Frank said, there's no other place for BB than HD EAGLE.
vrod kev 10-12-2005, 08:26 PM Regarding BIG BORES. IMHO, There is only one place to go EAGALE HD. Ask for Paul or Rick.
Frank
I'm waiting to hear back from Paul. Stop in at Tilley H-D in Statesville NC today and spoke to them.
ChopperSteve 10-12-2005, 08:35 PM On the 1550, the counter balancer has to be "Modified" to clear the conrods .The strengthening rib on the back [ opposite the weight ] has to be ground down. So far its working,but I do worry about it. If its removed, the engine will vibrate at idle[ not bad, just noticable ] Both the 1550 and 1430 use the same pistons. the 1550 uses a shorter rod [ -.125 ]
Theres more than one place to get BB's done. Mine is in the low 9's now and will be in the high 8's next year. No, I don't run it on the street, but when it ran high 9's I did. Don't get me wrong, Paul and Rick do great work, there are others though. And there will be more coming. Its a Tough markett, very small, but about to get very big. So shop around, I think you will find some good values out there.
Thanks: Steve
Frank Storms 10-12-2005, 09:22 PM On the 1550, the counter balancer has to be "Modified" to clear the conrods .The strengthening rib on the back [ opposite the weight ] has to be ground down. So far its working,but I do worry about it. If its removed, the engine will vibrate at idle[ not bad, just noticable ] Both the 1550 and 1430 use the same pistons. the 1550 uses a shorter rod [ -.125 ]
Theres more than one place to get BB's done. Mine is in the low 9's now and will be in the high 8's next year. No, I don't run it on the street, but when it ran high 9's I did. Don't get me wrong, Paul and Rick do great work, there are others though. And there will be more coming. Its a Tough markett, very small, but about to get very big. So shop around, I think you will find some good values out there.
Thanks: Steve
Steve,
Just to let you know it was not my intent to say anything negative about you or anyone else building BB's. I just wanted to let Kevin and others know what a pleasure it is to work with Eagle HD. BTW, it was great to meet you at KC. You and your son did a great job with your 1550 turbo. Cannot wait to see you post in the 8's with that beast.
Respectfully
Frank
landglider 10-13-2005, 10:24 PM Received this update from Zippers... Looks like Zippers is not a player for a streetable 1550...
With our 1550cc Big Bore Kit for the V-Rods, we do require that you require
removing the counter balancer and the piston cooling jets. We do include
this machining as part of the kit.
We do not recommend using the 1550 kit for street use. This is a Race Only
Kit.
I hope this answers your questions. If there is anything else that I can do
for you, please let me know.
Thank You
Pete Stewart
410-379-0909 ext 127
pete.s@zippersperformance.com
www.zippersperformance.com
Super Kaz 10-13-2005, 10:58 PM Received this update from Zippers... Looks like Zippers is not a player for a streetable 1550...
ask Eagle how many motors it took to master that Kit! :popcorn
ChopperSteve 10-14-2005, 10:34 PM Thanks Frank, no problem. It was a pleasure seeing you at the track, I really enjoyed it, too short, but fun.
Thanks: Steve
mjw930 10-14-2005, 11:12 PM ask Eagle how many motors it took to master that Kit! :popcorn
As long as they aren't learning on mine why do I care? :confused:
wpbvrod 10-14-2005, 11:31 PM As long as they aren't learning on mine why do I care? :confused:
:stupid:
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