I really like the fact my V-Rod can go well over 100 mph but it scares the crap out of me after that speed. I'm too old to have my face skin pushed behind my head. And no I only wear a helmet when I'm touring using my RKC. I want to go 0 to 100 QUICKLY. I'm more of a stop light to stop light type rider when I'm town.

My '04 has a 28 tooth sprocket already. Can I go to a 26 or 27 tooth with a new belt or a third wheel belt tensioner? Will this get me the performance for light to light? If so, does anybody make this sprocket?

Thanks, I would appreciate any input.

Fred

There a a couple guys here that have converted to Chain/sprocket set ups. They will surely read this and give you the heads up !
BobT

I Have A Company That Is Making 26-tooth Sprockets As Soon As
They Firm Up Pricing I Will Post It.

Cool, that would nice to see what type of jump you would get off the line! :diablo:

Thanks guys .................... I'm looking forward to the info!

If Going over 100 scares you then don't put a chain on her.Even with out the nitrous my bike screams to 100 as fast as any gsxr 1000!I would get a shorter fat rear tire and that will give you some more gear.Put a good pipe / topless,and tune up on her and you should be fine! ;)

Thanks Kaz. I will look into your advice.
Fred

Oldhd -- I have the configuration Kaz suggests. Could I be any quicker off the line -- sure, but I want to keep my license. The 'Rod is plenty quick for the street. And with V-Mods you'll sound like you own the street.

OldHD "I'm too old to have my face skin pushed behind my head."

Yes, but you'll be looking younger without a facelift while we will be stretching ours prematurely. Don't you find that interesting? No? Wear a full face helmet.

Nah! I'd go with Kaz's recc's.

I emailed Steve at Main Street and he said Rich Products will release the Thunderheader around mid-February for the public. I told him I would check back in a couple weeks for availability and pricing. I also told him I would be interested in the black ceramic pipe on my black V-Rod to keep that dark look. I'll keep everyone posted ...........

By the way, I'm thinking of getting the wheels powder coated black with the exception of the outside edges. What do you think? Any recommendations?

Sorry, I posted in the wrong thread ..................... It should be in 'Thunderheader Now Availible'.

HEy Rick - good to see you posting - you need to do an intro of yourself and your racing program - You will be a great add to this community. I am interested in the 26 tooth - if they are at a reasonable price I will start with that setup this year instead of playing with the chain for now. Tell me when you get a price. Great to have you on board.
Kevin

Sorry, I posted in the wrong thread ..................... It should be in 'Thunderheader Now Availible'.
No you didn't! It'll help stoplight quickness :laugh: . I think it'll look awesome on that black V-Rod and who knows? It'll look faster as well. Of the new colored V-Rods I would only get a black one :diablo: . HOT mama!

HEy Rick - good to see you posting - you need to do an intro of yourself and your racing program - You will be a great add to this community. I am interested in the 26 tooth - if they are at a reasonable price I will start with that setup this year instead of playing with the chain for now. Tell me when you get a price. Great to have you on board.
Kevin


I'am a service manager at a harley dealership,I race my personal
v-rod in the street bike class at our local track.I'am also in
charge of the shops v-rod that we race in the pro class and street bike
at our track.Combined both bikes have over 200 pass's down the track.
Our pro v-rod finished the year 12 out of 30 racers(we missed 6 races
because the rider was in the hospital) starting the year with 12.20 passes
ending running consistant 10.80s.The best being10.84@121.08 m.p.h.
We played with gearing and tune-up all year.My v-rod won the 100m.p.h
eliminator street bike class.(100 m.p.h. min.in the1/4)
I weigh 230 lbs so i was never very quick but very consistant.
Both bikes are being big bored right now one at eagle h.d. one at
zippers.(machine work)I'll run the belt pulley on mine for the track.
Leave the chain on the other.(having 20 tooth front sprocket made.)
I could go on and on about last year but this is just an intro.

It is great to have you here Rick -I am sure that many will come to value your advise as they find out just how much knowledge you have - it is always good to bring in additional expertise, and folks that like this stuff. I know that there are many here that will look forward to hearing about your experiencewith the big bore as well as the wealth of developmental knowledge that you have gained building and tuning those VRods.
Kevin

Rick,
Good to have you here on the forum hope that you can share some of your knowledge with all of us. Thanks for all the information on the phone today... I promise I will bring it up over 5000 rpm ........ :moped: :moped: :moped:

Rick,
It's always Nice to Meet other Racers.I'm a little on the Extreme side"Heads Up Type" trying to see just how fast these Bikes can go!Always willing to Help! :kaz:

I'am a service manager at a harley dealership,I race my personal
v-rod in the street bike class at our local track.I'am also in
charge of the shops v-rod that we race in the pro class and street bike
at our track.Combined both bikes have over 200 pass's down the track.
Our pro v-rod finished the year 12 out of 30 racers(we missed 6 races
because the rider was in the hospital) starting the year with 12.20 passes
ending running consistant 10.80s.The best being10.84@121.08 m.p.h.
We played with gearing and tune-up all year.My v-rod won the 100m.p.h
eliminator street bike class.(100 m.p.h. min.in the1/4)
I weigh 230 lbs so i was never very quick but very consistant.
Both bikes are being big bored right now one at eagle h.d. one at
zippers.(machine work)I'll run the belt pulley on mine for the track.
Leave the chain on the other.(having 20 tooth front sprocket made.)
I could go on and on about last year but this is just an intro.


Rick,
Can you list ALL the mods that were done to accomplish 10.80's please. I know of no other normally aspirated V-Rod running sub 11's w/o a BB kit.


Thanks in advance,
John


P.S. My best is a lowly 11.29 @ 119 mph

It is a skinny guy thing John - :) There was a fellow out of columbus that ran a 10.8 on well set-up and tuned bike. and also Sam's had a slightly bored set-up in the 10's and there was a fellow from Tennesse that does not eat enough that was also in the tens on AHDRA circuit - starved the bike also - making it very light - I also count you and your machine as among the malnourished - as your set-up in around 750 lbs bike and rider isn't it? Kaz is also in the malnourished, underweight overachievers. All of you light weights need to put on some weight (and your bikes too...)so that you can hang out with the BIG DOGS.......
TAke care - John you will enjoy hearing about some of Rick's past and future setups.
Kevin

750 lbs is correct Kevin.

Rick's et was much better than mine but his mph was only slightly better. I didn't think my 60ft time (1.686) was that shabby :(. My goal will be 10.60's or so with a BB kit this summer. :)



John

Oh to be skinny and willing to play with big boars - Oh well - my heavy weight (850 running on fumes)goal with a small bore (stock) setup will be 11.34 @ 118mph.
Kevin

Oh to be skinny and willing to play with big boars - Oh well - my heavy weight (850 running on fumes)goal with a small bore (stock) setup will be 11.34 @ 118mph.
Kevin

YES, ITS TRUE MY RIDER WEIGHS 150LBS.YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE
OF THE BIKE IN THE NORTHWEST REGISTRY.WHEEL CHANGES,.
CHAIN DRIVE, REMOVED RADIATOR COWL,PUT REAR PEGS ON SWING
ARM.WENT THROUGH 4 DIFFERENT REAR SPROCKETS. RAN 10.99 AND
QUICKER THE LAST 2 MONTHS OF RACING.WITH A STRING OF 10.90's
22 tooth front 68 rear spun motor to 10,000 rpm. with 165 passes
on motor with 3700 miles on it when we tore it down we where
amazed at how little wear we found. the trans looked perfect.
its just power to wieght ratio. ALSO ELECTRIC SHIFTER DALES
HOLE SHOT ON THE PRO BIKE. KILKTRONICS ON MINE.

Rick,
It's always Nice to Meet other Racers.I'm a little on the Extreme side"Heads Up Type" trying to see just how fast these Bikes can go!Always willing to Help! :kaz:

KAZ, BEEN FOLLOWING YOU ON V-MODS SITE,OUR GOAL THIS YEAR
IS TO RACE AND BEAT THE TRACK CHAMP HEADS UP ON HIS HYABUSA
THATS WHY I'AM DOING JAMIE MCNAUGHTENS SET UP I OPPTED NOT
TO STROKE IT FROM A MAINT. STAND POINT I HAVE ENOUGH TO DO
IN THE SUMMER.BUT THE NITROUS EXPRESS KIT ARRIVED TO DAY.
THE HYABUSA I MENTIONED BEFORE HAS IT IN CASE HE NEEDS IT.
(AND HE WILL!)I WAS JUST GOING TO RUN IT AT THE END OF THE SEASON
BUT ITS HERE, SO? WE'LL SEE.ON MY V-ROD WE'RE DOING WIESCO'S
KIT BECAUSE I RIDE 92 MILES A DAY TO AND FROM WORK I WANT TO
SEE HOW IT STANDS UP TO TRUE STREET RIDING AND RACING.

This is going to be one heck of a summer .
I can hardly wait for all the different members going after personal bests.
Then there are our resident customizers.
I will not name any because there are many.
And some of our inventors/part manufacturers are doing wonders.
Very good time to be into V-Rods and a member of Max' Forum .
BobT

Rick:

Tired the Holes hot electric shifter last year. When it was turned on it caused a hesitation when I rolled on the throttle between 3 and 4 grand. When I set the delay time very short it had a slight hesitation but it was hard on the tranny. When I set it to the recommended delay, the hesitation was bad, and it set off the Engine Light. Dale tried to diagnose it and we switched some parts but never got it to work properly. I removed it from the V-Rod and installed it on my son Bandit. It works perfectly. It’s still there. I came to the conclusion that something was incompatible with the V-Rod.

I cut the black and yellow wire going to the coils and wired the horn button at the handlebars. How did you install yours?

Larry

Rick,
.....I know of no other normally aspirated V-Rod running sub 11's w/o a BB kit.


I kave posted that my dealer has run 10.8's on stock internals.The driver was a good 200lbs.

Rick,
Theres a bunch of Harley VIP in town doing a bunch of testing on HD'S and the Other out at LVMS.Tripp Nobles is one of the Harley Demo Riders .He invited me out .Anyways there a Bunch of new Rules in the V-rod class this year!80ci limit.A few of NASCAR's Legends are showing interest so the future looks Bright!I have a few ways I might go depending on Rules and Time.My pistons for my BB Kit disappeared at the Machine shop so I'm waiting for a new set.My Bike is having the motor checked to see why I'm down 50% cylinder pressure in my rear cylinder.Valves?Guides,seat?NO SMOKE BUT LOSS OF POWER! :hmm:

p.s I'VE GONE 10.83@123 ON THE MOTOR
with Slick and Wheelie Bar No Nitrous! :diablo:

Cool, cool, and so very cool!
This will be a great season for the V-Rod in general.
Wanna see Kaz hit low 9's. And please Rick, beat the 'busa.
Kevin, 11.34 is cool for us chubby sided with stock internals.
I'm going to fly over and see you guys racing.

Wish all dealerships had personnel as interested in motorcycles as you and your dealership are Rick. It is great for business and great for your company. Being here, your findings can reach all across the nation and you will find a great appreciation for the time and effort you are expending. Thanks for being here!!

Ride on!!

Rick,
Theres a bunch of Harley VIP in town doing a bunch of testing on HD'S and the Other out at LVMS.Tripp Nobles is one of the Harley Demo Riders .He invited me out .Anyways there a Bunch of new Rules in the V-rod class this year!80ci limit.A few of NASCAR's Legends are showing interest so the future looks Bright!I have a few ways I might go depending on Rules and Time.My pistons for my BB Kit disappeared at the Machine shop so I'm waiting for a new set.My Bike is having the motor checked to see why I'm down 50% cylinder pressure in my rear cylinder.Valves?Guides,seat?NO SMOKE BUT LOSS OF POWER! :hmm:

p.s I'VE GONE 10.83@123 ON THE MOTOR
with Slick and Wheelie Bar No Nitrous! :diablo:

KAZ,
MY RIDER KEPT SHIFTING THE BIKE INTO 6TH OR WAS TRYING TO.
THE SHIFT LIGHT WOULD COME ON WHEN HE WOULD SHIFT IN 5TH
EVEN THOUGH THE REV LIMITER WAS SET AT 10000 RPM.
10.84 WAS WITH A SLICK NO WHEELIE BAR 4700 FT. CORRECTED
ALTITUDE.TRIPP WAS RUNNING 10.77 WITH THE SAME SET-UP AT
SEA LEVEL.THIS YEAR WILL BE WITH A BAR, NLR TWO STAGE REV LIMITTER,
MPS HYDR.CLUTCH RELEASE,MTC MULTI-STAGE CLUTCH.JAMIE IS NOT
GOING TO RACE IN AHDRA THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE RULE CHANGES.
HE'LL RACE IN AMA PRO-STAR TRYING TO BEAT THE YAMAHAMMER.

Cool, cool, and so very cool!
This will be a great season for the V-Rod in general.
Wanna see Kaz hit low 9's. And please Rick, beat the 'busa.
Kevin, 11.34 is cool for us chubby sided with stock internals.
I'm going to fly over and see you guys racing.

WE BEAT THE BUSA A COUPLE OF TIMES.I JUST WANT TO
DIAL HIS NUMBER AND BEAT HIM HEADS UP.

Ya "The Boys" aren't Very Happy with the New Rules but THATS RACING! :ithappen: I have a few options I'm looking into but really don't fit in a Class right now with out Major changes.I want a 8 second street legal V-rod with the Time slips to prove it! :kaz:

Ya "The Boys" aren't Very Happy with the New Rules but THATS RACING! :ithappen: I have a few options I'm looking into but really don't fit in a Class right now with out Major changes.I want a 8 second street legal V-rod with the Time slips to prove it! :kaz:

NHRA IN MY OPINION IS THE EASIEST CLASS TO MAKE. MC/ET.
BUT ITS BRACKET RACING. STREET LEGAL AT OUR TRACK IS
LICENSE, REGISTRATION AND INSURANCE NO WHEELIE BAR,
STREET TIRES.

Rick - how much juice are you planning on running with your setup this year.
Kevin

Rick:

Tired the Holes hot electric shifter last year. When it was turned on it caused a hesitation when I rolled on the throttle between 3 and 4 grand. When I set the delay time very short it had a slight hesitation but it was hard on the tranny. When I set it to the recommended delay, the hesitation was bad, and it set off the Engine Light. Dale tried to diagnose it and we switched some parts but never got it to work properly. I removed it from the V-Rod and installed it on my son Bandit. It works perfectly. It’s still there. I came to the conclusion that something was incompatible with the V-Rod.

I cut the black and yellow wire going to the coils and wired the horn button at the handlebars. How did you install yours?

Larry

LARRY, I ASSUME YOU INSTALLED A THREE POSITION TOGGLE SWITCH BETWEEN YOUR HORN BUTTON,AND THE COILS. WE HAD THE SAME PROBLEM
WHEN THE TOGGLE WAS IN THE BYPASS POSITION. THERE FOR WE USED
JUST ON AND OFF. THE TOGGLE SWITCH SHOULD BE ON-OFF-ON.

Rick - the ignition that I was talking to you about is made by Factory direct - http://www.factorydirectperformance.com/mc4.htm - how does that compare?
Kevin

Rick - the ignition that I was talking to you about is made by Factory direct - http://www.factorydirectperformance.com/mc4.htm - how does that compare?
Kevin

MSD IS GREAT FOR CARBED BIKES OURS BEING INJECTED,YOU MAY BE
ABLE TO ADAPT.CONTACT THEM.

Rick - how much juice are you planning on running with your setup this year.
Kevin
KEVIN
50 HP. TO START WILL SEE FROM THERE. WILL RUN 100 HP. ON
THE DYNO JUST TO GET A BIG NUMBER.

Rick:
Did the same thing in bypass and on.
When it was off no problem.
How I wonder if it was a bad switch. Dale sent me a new contact switch, thought that would solve it.
Thinking about an air shifter>\.
Thanks for your response
Larry

Rick:
Just remembered. In bypass it was worse.
Larry

Rick:
Did the same thing in bypass and on.
When it was off no problem.
How I wonder if it was a bad switch. Dale sent me a new contact switch, thought that would solve it.
Thinking about an air shifter>\.
Thanks for your response
Larry

LARRY
FOR RACING THE AIR SHIFTER IS THE WAY TO GO,WE DID'NT BECAUSE
WE ALLREADY HAD THIS UNIT. I RUN THE KLILKTRONIC UNIT ON MINE
PINGEL NOW SELLS IT. I STILL USE DALES KILL BOX.WITH MY SET-UP.
I LIKE ELEC.SO I DONT HAVE TO KEEP THE BOTTLE FULL.

Rick,
Do you have a Tilley Motor?What have you done to it?Special Rods?Special NOS Pistons?How Big of a Bottle do you have to be able to support a 100 shot for more THAN a few seconds.If your gonna race on the stuff to support anything over 50hp takes at Least a 5lb bottle and we still loose 700+lbs from begining to end!Rick these Motors Love the stuff,but CHECK your Plugs after ever pass,and even then your sometimes to late! :sad:

Rick,
Do you have a Tilley Motor?What have you done to it?Special Rods?Special NOS Pistons?How Big of a Bottle do you have to be able to support a 100 shot for more THAN a few seconds.If your gonna race on the stuff to support anything over 50hp takes at Least a 5lb bottle and we still loose 700+lbs from begining to end!Rick these Motors Love the stuff,but CHECK your Plugs after ever pass,and even then your sometimes to late! :sad:

KAZ,
IT'S THE SAME AS JAMIES WITH OUT THE STROKER CRANK. BIGGER VALVES
SPRINGS,61MM THROTLE BODY, WEB CAMS. HALS RODS. 4.350 BORE.
WE DYNO TUNE SEVERAL BIKES WITH NOS INCLUDING THE OWNERS DYNA
THAT HAS 166 H.P. 180LBS TORQUE OUT OF 103 INCH MOTOR.AS WELL
AS KAWASAKI'S AND HYABUSA'S. NOS IS AVAILIBLE AT OUR TRACK.
ARE YOU USING BOTTLE WARMERS?ARE YOU USING WET OR DRY SYSTEM?
I OPTED FOR A WET SYSTEM AND ALLWAYS TUNE IT A LITTLE RICH.
WE USE THE LOAD CONTROL TO VERIFY AIR/FUEL AND GET REALLY CLOSE.

Very Nice!
I run a Custom Fogger Wet system"Direct Port".No bottle heater.I preheat in the Pits before stagging.There is a few pics on the dyno sheet thread of my setup.

Rick,
What exhaust are you running?My dealer had Rinehart make a custom 2-1 stepped.I haven't seen them yet,planning on getting over there to check the progress of their drag bikes.They have 2 that they are doing.They have a similar set/up what to Tripp Nobles is running this year.My dealer and the Tilley family are good friends.I've seen some tricked out parts,that are out of my budget.But someday I'll be there with you guys.

Kaz,
NX site projects .8 lbs of nitrous for 100HP for 10 seconds - they told me that I could run a 30HP shot for ten seconds on a single 10 oz cheater bottle - how long do you have the nitrous on - are you on the juice when you do your burnout, are you launching on the juice? What exactly is a custom fogger? I thought that you just mounted the foggers in the manifold? or bottom of the throttle body.
Kevin
Kevin

Thats Total BS!To make that kinda of power for that long take a Bunch More then they recommend!My setup shoots Nitrous/Gas directly into the cylinder for maximum effectiveness! :twisted: No Juice on the Burn out. :eek:

When I use the nitrous on my car,I spray 150hp.I got a 10 lb bottle.I get 5 good runs for 10 sec.each,before it starts to lose bottle pressure.
How much are you spraying KAZ?100,125,150?

Vinny,
Thats a Good Question!
I HAVE 2-3LB Bottles and use about 700lbs of Bottle Pressure per Run can you figure it out? :confused:

You don't have any leaks do you?Are there siphon tubes in the bottles?If you have tubes in it then you need to have it more at an angle 15degrees,with the front pointing up,and the outlet facing the ground.
With nitrous you are actually spraying the liguid part.Once it gets down to the gas(20% of bottle weight) it's not going to have enough pressure.and if you have no tube then you are all gas.You should run the psi gage off the bottle,not on down the line.
Nos recommends 900-1000psi bottle prssure.
Kaz,I didn't see any 3lb bottles in my catalog but I saw 2 1/2lb and 5 lb bottles.
Do you freeze the bottles before you fill them?Colder air is more dense.and takes up less room.
Do you empty the bottles completely before refilling?

I'm curious because you seem to be using alot.

Rick,
What exhaust are you running?My dealer had Rinehart make a custom 2-1 stepped.I haven't seen them yet,planning on getting over there to check the progress of their drag bikes.They have 2 that they are doing.They have a similar set/up what to Tripp Nobles is running this year.My dealer and the Tilley family are good friends.I've seen some tricked out parts,that are out of my budget.But someday I'll be there with you guys.

WE RAN SCREMIN EAGLE 16GA.SHOTGUN WITH NO BAFFLES.IN THE RACE
BIKE. IN MINE I MODIFIED THE BAFFLES.ALOT OF PEOPLE WOULD'NT
RIDE NEXT TO ME BECAUSE OF HOW LOUD IT WAS. RHINEHART
OFFERED TO DO AN EXHAUST FOR US AT A SHOW WE WERE AT.(GERALD)
I OPTED TO DO A CUSTOM COLLECTER THAT MOUNTS TO THE STOCK
HEAD PIPES.FOR THE RACE BIKE. IF IT WORKS I'LL CERTIANLY LET EVERY ONE KNOW.I'AM WAITING FOR THE THUNDER HEADER ON MINE.

Vinny,
I don't mean to sound Like a Dick Head but this is not my first Rodeo Brother! :slap: I also Have The Best NOS Tuners in the World working with me .Don't believe what all company say or write in magazines!Real World is Often Very Very Different.I do not run a standard NOS System on my Bike so my Reqiurements are a little different.The Bottle Pressures you spoke about are BS at least at the Gage.I have about 200 Runs on the dyno and at the track to confirm this.As for Bottle sizes I thought Sam Told me there were a 10oz,2lb,3lb,5lb,10,lb,ect.ect!He got me 2-3lb .The have been Polished so I can read any old writing or #'s.The Siphone Tubes are in and in the right direction! :rolleyes: I weigh the bottles before and after each run so I know excatly how much has been put in and used! ;) and yes they a freezing before they are Filled :cool:

Damn,you don't need to bite my head off. :moon: I was just offering up my REAL world experience.I've been running NOS for 15yrs.But,I don't have the money to blow on "the best NOS tuners in the world" ;)

I was just throwing in my :2cents:

vindog,
I'm Sorry I'm just a Little Touchy Today over my Bike and a couple other Mini Dramas I have going on in my Life today. :hitfan: By the way My Tuner is also a Friend and Neighbor"Gil Naverez Specialty Dyno Service".We pit next to each other at the races and he READS my Plugs for me after Each Pass! I will admit I don't ALWAYS LISTEN TO HIM THOUGH! :hidesbeh: