Well I guess harley decided to step up to the plate they are now offering a BB kit to go from 1130cc to 1250cc for $2499.00 The part number # 29863-04 LET ER RIP!!!!! :plause:

Mine order is in.... at the show - KSP

Is this a bolt on kit, or will it need some machining to the case and heads?

Is this a bolt on kit, or will it need some machining to the case and heads?
PRICE INCLUDES MACHINING, COMES WITH NEW HEADS,CAMS,LINERS AND PISTONS.

Harley's web site says it needs to be dealer installed....Anybody know what the installation costs would be?

From what I have heard from my local tech who just came back from V-Rod school, there is no machining required of the cases. Also, if you want to port your own heads, you can buy the cylinder liners and pistons and save a bunch of money. I think the part number is 22928-05K.

From what I have heard from my local tech who just came back from V-Rod school, there is no machining required of the cases. Also, if you want to port your own heads, you can buy the cylinder liners and pistons and save a bunch of money. I think the part number is 22928-05K.
MAN YOUR SCARING ME, OR AT LEAST YOUR TECH IS,CHANGE THE BORE
ON A LINER ENCLOSED CASE AND MACHINING IS ABSOLUTELY NECC. NO
QUESTION.HOPE HE RETAINED SOME KNOWLEDGE FROM SCHOOL.( I HAVE
3 MASTERS OF TECH.THAT HAVE BEEN TO BOTH VROD SCHOOLS.)

According to harley-davidson.com machining is to be done buy a specific shop not listed in the description, we are thinking it's Wisceo, but not sure. One thing I do know is that anytime a BB is getting installed machining of the cases is required and looking at book time just the labor to pull the motor split the cases is 17.6hrs. then you will have 1500-2000 in machining cost depending on if you choose to do the heads.....

PRICE INCLUDES MACHINING, COMES WITH NEW HEADS,CAMS,LINERS AND PISTONS.

Thanks Rick, I thought I heard someone say before that I was a bolt on kit, but yep, usually some machining is needed (like the case for new liners).

MAN YOUR SCARING ME, OR AT LEAST YOUR TECH IS,CHANGE THE BORE
ON A LINER ENCLOSED CASE AND MACHINING IS ABSOLUTELY NECC. NO
QUESTION.HOPE HE RETAINED SOME KNOWLEDGE FROM SCHOOL.( I HAVE
3 MASTERS OF TECH.THAT HAVE BEEN TO BOTH VROD SCHOOLS.)


:stupid: Do your own heads????? I am scared............. This kit has gone through the same testing that the factory motor has - that is a very strong selling point for me. KSP

MAN YOUR SCARING ME, OR AT LEAST YOUR TECH IS,CHANGE THE BORE
ON A LINER ENCLOSED CASE AND MACHINING IS ABSOLUTELY NECC. NO
QUESTION.HOPE HE RETAINED SOME KNOWLEDGE FROM SCHOOL.( I HAVE
3 MASTERS OF TECH.THAT HAVE BEEN TO BOTH VROD SCHOOLS.)

Well, I stand corrected. I guess I better not listen to that guy any more !

Guess it's back to the piggy bank.... :eek:

Any guess on labor Rick - KSP

According to harley-davidson.com machining is to be done buy a specific shop not listed in the description, we are thinking it's Wisceo, but not sure. One thing I do know is that anytime a BB is getting installed machining of the cases is required and looking at book time just the labor to pull the motor split the cases is 17.6hrs. then you will have 1500-2000 in machining cost depending on if you choose to do the heads.....
I HAVEN'T HEARD YET WHO THE APPROVED SHOP IS, I'AM WITH YOU ABOUT
WIESCO,BUT ON THE OTHER HAND THEY HAVE THERE OWN BIG BORE.
AND THE PRICE FOR MACHINING ACCORDING TO H.D. IS INCLUDED WITH THERE PRICE. I QUESTIONED BEFORE IF THE PRICE INCLUDES MACH.MINUS THE
HARD PARTS IN THE KIT WHO EVER DOES IT THE REMAINING IS ABOUT $600.00

Any guess on labor Rick - KSP
MY SHOP WILL DO IT FOR 12 HOURS IF YOU DONT WANT THE CAMS DEGREED.
YOU ONLY NEED TO SPLIT THE TOP CASE OFF. WE PULLED MY MOTOR IN
50 MINS. AND HAD IT APART COMPLETELY IN 1 1/2 HOURS AFTER PULLING IT.
OF COURSE THERE WAS TWO OF US AND WE'VE DONE THIS AT LEAST A DOZEN
TIMES BETWEEN BOTH BIKES.

Thats sounds real quick Rick. When I get to work tomorrow I'll look up times for just pulling the upper cases. The time I posted was to r&r the crank I wasn't sure if the lower cases needed spit due to the machining process. Also with the maching and or the approved company that can do this according to harley. I was under the impression that Zippers and Wisceo were the only 2 places currently building and readilly able to do the machine work required for the big bores? Are there other companies out their that are speciallizing in Vrod BB's?

Ill leave mine alone! am happy with the 1130 cc.

We Bore the Cases. If you have a machine center you can do it. Takes a lot of time and you have to watch your spindle load.
The SE Big Bore looks like a good deal, but I think it will be very mild in power. The Cams are not very hot, and the Bore is not maxed out. Maybe 10% for 4K by the time your done. The EPA appoved is a nice touch.
I would be surprised if the engine cases were not bored at the crate engine plant. They have to bore them to make them.

Kevin:

The testing was done at Tilley's remember last year???

Rick is right on with the hours from what I recall from my endeavor. 3hrs R&R and 4 plus to do it right when you tear the motor down and redo it TIMES the hourly shop rate EQUALS $$$$$$$ PLUS AND A TUNER--RT OR PC OR ?? AND DYNOTUNING AND PIPES AND AIR CLEANER AND STACKS AND INJECTORS DID I MENTION $$$$$.

Even with the LONG AWAITED Harley BB kit, I am still convincecd that I would go the extra mile and do a 1320 or larger upgrade since everything else is essentially the same.

ALSO, Steve (V-MOD) has the best overall pricing UNLESS YOU CAN WORK A DEAL ELSEWHERE.

STAY WARM

VROD I FL

hell yeah im about ready for some more power out of my bike what is the hp diff. from stock to bb.. one more question i want to get some louder pipes but i really love the look of the stock ones does anybody mod. the stock ones if so some info would be greatly appreciated..

hell yeah im about ready for some more power out of my bike what is the hp diff. from stock to bb.. one more question i want to get some louder pipes but i really love the look of the stock ones does anybody mod. the stock ones if so some info would be greatly appreciated..

remove the baffles or send them to Steve to have them removed for $150

I thought I would post a correction. After reading the information provided by HD again it states the machining price is included in the $2499.00. I guess I was so excited I couldn't get all the way through the paragraph....... Anyway. I found out today we have a kit ordered for our dealership so when we get it done I'll post our results.

Thats sounds real quick Rick. When I get to work tomorrow I'll look up times for just pulling the upper cases. The time I posted was to r&r the crank I wasn't sure if the lower cases needed spit due to the machining process. Also with the maching and or the approved company that can do this according to harley. I was under the impression that Zippers and Wisceo were the only 2 places currently building and readilly able to do the machine work required for the big bores? Are there other companies out their that are speciallizing in Vrod BB's?
I COULD'NT FIND ANYONE BUT THE COMPANYS YOU NAMED.AND IT WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME THAT HARLEY WORKED WITH THE AFTER MARKET TO DO WORK FOR THEM,SO I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO SEE.THE FLAT RATE TIME FOR AN 04 VROD TO REPLACE THE CASES IS 11 HOURS AND INCLUDES REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION IN THE FRAME.I ADDED AN HOUR FOR MISC.SPROCKETS ON THE
CAMS ECT. AND I'AM SURE MY TECHS CAN BEAT IT. :mrgr:

We Bore the Cases. If you have a machine center you can do it. Takes a lot of time and you have to watch your spindle load.
The SE Big Bore looks like a good deal, but I think it will be very mild in power. The Cams are not very hot, and the Bore is not maxed out. Maybe 10% for 4K by the time your done. The EPA appoved is a nice touch.
I would be surprised if the engine cases were not bored at the crate engine plant. They have to bore them to make them.
Steve, who's tooling do you use to bore out the case? You can use hydraulic chucks on your machine center for lower run out and let it fly if you've got the RPM's on the machine. Hmm sounds like I might work for a tooling supplier.

:popcorn

I COULD'NT FIND ANYONE BUT THE COMPANYS YOU NAMED.AND IT WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME THAT HARLEY WORKED WITH THE AFTER MARKET TO DO WORK FOR THEM,SO I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO SEE.THE FLAT RATE TIME FOR AN 04 VROD TO REPLACE THE CASES IS 11 HOURS AND INCLUDES REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION IN THE FRAME.I ADDED AN HOUR FOR MISC.SPROCKETS ON THE
CAMS ECT. AND I'AM SURE MY TECHS CAN BEAT IT. :mrgr:
Come on Rick why won't you tell these guys who is doing the machining for H-D. If you don"t know call me and I'll tell you and then you can let the world know. For a clue It is some one that has been Boring cases long before Wisco or Zippers where thinking about it.

Jims??? They built the 120 for HD. A complete motor.

Once your in the Harley Family........

120 thats not a big bore thats a mini bore if i go big bore im going big like 1550cc from v-mod

The SE Big Bore looks like a good deal, but I think it will be very mild in power. The Cams are not very hot, and the Bore is not maxed out.
We don't have to run the puny cams that come with it.Port the heads a little more and add some bigger cams.

120 thats not a big bore thats a mini bore if i go big bore im going big like 1550cc from v-mod


The 120 inch TC motor is a big bore stroker at 4.125 x 4.500 puts it around 2000 cc almost double a stock Vrod and 500 cc bigger than your 1550cc. This motor is available through a HD dealer directly from Jims USA.

The 120 inch TC motor is a big bore stroker at 4.125 x 4.500 puts it around 2000 cc almost double a stock Vrod and 500 cc bigger than your 1550cc. This motor is available through a HD dealer directly from Jims USA.

..and will not work in the V-Rod.

Pointless.

Hi Kev, we use a Modified Kaiser Bar. on a Tree VMC-760. Its an expensive setup. And I'm not sure we will ever be able to walk away while its machining, just too scary!

Hi Kev, we use a Modified Kaiser Bar. on a Tree VMC-760. Its an expensive setup. And I'm not sure we will ever be able to walk away while its machining, just too scary!
LOL Steve get back to the machine while my engine is in it. Or else I hope your laptop is near the boring machine. Now ya got me scared! Donald

..and will not work in the V-Rod.

Pointless.


The point is to make someone aware of what is available in the motorcycle world whether it works in the Vrod or not. 120 is NOT a minibore.

The whole reason that I mentioned Jims is that they are currently working with Harley on this motor so they may also be working on the Vrod motor.

The 120 inch TC motor is a big bore stroker at 4.125 x 4.500 puts it around 2000 cc almost double a stock Vrod and 500 cc bigger than your 1550cc. This motor is available through a HD dealer directly from Jims USA.
what i ment is the h-d big bore is only 120cc than stock just not enough for me for the money

Come on Rick why won't you tell these guys who is doing the machining for H-D. If you don"t know call me and I'll tell you and then you can let the world know. For a clue It is some one that has been Boring cases long before Wisco or Zippers where thinking about it.
o.k. PAUL THE KANSAS PLANT IS BORING THE CASE FOR THE FACTORY
BIG BORE KITS,DEALERS WILL BE SENDING THEM THERE.(ACTUALLY THE
MACHINE SHOP THAT BORES THE CASES FOR THEM). :rolleyes:

from the HD web site:
" Fits '05 VRSCA and VRSCB models. Does not fit '06 VRSCR models. "

what about my 03?

from the HD web site:
" Fits '05 VRSCA and VRSCB models. Does not fit '06 VRSCR models. "

what about my 03?
FROM THE H.D. CATALOG FITS 02 TO 05 MODELS.
THERE ARE TWO KITS AVAIL. ONE IS THE PRO BIG BORE (RACING.) 02 TO 05
THE SECOND KIT IS STREET LEGAL AND FITS 05 ONLY.(STOCK MUFF.)

what is the difference between the 2 kits Rick

what is the difference between the 2 kits Rick
DOWN LOADS AND MUFFLERS. THE STREET LEGAL KIT USES THE SAME DOWN
LOAD AS A STOCK VRSCSE. THE OTHER IS FOR S.E. SLIP FIT MUFFLERS AND
IS NOT STREET LEGAL.(EPA) :sinister:

In other words one will void your warranty and one will not.

Rick - Does the Pro Bigbore includes an ECM download for SE pipes for an 02 model?

Rick - Does the Pro Bigbore includes an ECM download for SE pipes for an 02 model?
YES FOR AN EXTRA 149.95 FOR S.E. PIPES ONLY. ANY OTHER R.T.

I am assuming that I can get the map for free to use with my race tuner.... do you agree. Kevin

I am assuming that I can get the map for free to use with my race tuner.... do you agree. Kevin
YES THE DOWNLOAD IS ON THE R.T.

My RT is older version - Can the ecm downloads be downloaded from HD.... KSP

My RT is older version - Can the ecm downloads be downloaded from HD.... KSP
NO!

My RT is older version - Can the ecm downloads be downloaded from HD.... KSP
You can buy the newest version software from HD.$20.Has the map for the CVO with SE slipons.

FYI: I was told today from our performance specialist that Zippers told him that at no time is there any cutting into water jackets or welding to build material inside the cylinder back up no matter what size of big bore (that is currently offered). This would be different then what info I have seen posted on this site. I thought I'd pass that along for the people that also had heard that.

FYI: I was told today from our performance specialist that Zippers told him that at no time is there any cutting into water jackets or welding to build material inside the cylinder back up no matter what size of big bore (that is currently offered). This would be different then what info I have seen posted on this site. I thought I'd pass that along for the people that also had heard that.
These people must have never seen a 4.700 bore piston in a V-rod block because it takes a lot of cutting and welding. :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:

???? We always cut into the water jacket. No welding, but deffinitly into the water jacket.

These people must have never seen a 4.700 bore piston in a V-rod block because it takes a lot of cutting and welding. :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:
YI: I was told today from our performance specialist that Zippers told him that at no time is there any cutting into water jackets or welding to build material inside the cylinder back up no matter what size of big bore (that is currently offered). This would be different then what info I have seen posted on this site. I thought I'd pass that along for the people that also had heard that.

WELL THEY CUT INTO MY WATER JACKET WHEN THEY DID MY BLOCK.
THEY ALSO WENT THROUGH THE HEAD AND REWELDED IT. :ithappen:

I wonder why he was told this? He's also a member of this site I'll have him read this thread.

remove the baffles or send them to Steve to have them removed for $150

ok how much louder would it be?? i dont like it to loud!! and how much of a diff in hp??

We don't have to run the puny cams that come with it.Port the heads a little more and add some bigger cams.

now there is a man that nows what i like i love the sound of a good bump stick could i put a bigger set of cams in my stock 04 without changing anything i would like to get my stock pipes modified cause i really love the looks of them and get a more aggressive set of cams for that kick ass ruff idle and i want to get that diff swingarm for a 280 tire there was a rod at the world of wheels that had the 280 and it was awesome.. made it look so much better more like a drag bike! :blahblah:

I MAY be wrong BUT the picture of the 1250 kit only show one set of cams. That will keep the expense down too. I would think that they increased the size of the intake cams and continued to use the stock exhaust cams.

Also, in reference to the 06 R not being alble to use the upgrade, I wonder if HD has deciced to "upgrade" the cases to allow for the bigger BB in 06 i/e the maching has already been done. Just a thought.

Regards

OK, so now I'm confused. I like the idea of the BB for my '02 but what gain will I see on the dyno and what will the cost be for the HD kit including machining and shop time?

What are my options (cost-wise) for cams, etc.? What gains would I see for the extra $$$?

Not interested in drag performance but LOVE the extra passing/fun power.

Scott

now there is a man that nows what i like i love the sound of a good bump stick could i put a bigger set of cams in my stock 04 without changing anything i would like to get my stock pipes modified cause i really love the looks of them and get a more aggressive set of cams for that kick ass ruff idle and i want to get that diff swingarm for a 280 tire there was a rod at the world of wheels that had the 280 and it was awesome.. made it look so much better more like a drag bike! :blahblah:


Yes, you can put a bigger set of cams in without changing anything else, I had mine that way before I decided to port it. I put a set of V-mods (chopperSteve) Mega-Cycle street cams in. They arent as aggressive as his race set but more aggressive than the HD stock ones. You will need a good tune though. You will definitely get a rough idle and notice they are in there and probably pick-up about 5hp and a little torque too.

My RT is older version - Can the ecm downloads be downloaded from HD.... KSP

Just ordered an RT from Chicago HD. They had to get it from the MoCo so it will have the latest software. Might be able to save you $20 if you haven't got it yet. Tracking says I'll have it Feb. 22.

Just ordered an RT from Chicago HD. They had to get it from the MoCo so it will have the latest software. Might be able to save you $20 if you haven't got it yet. Tracking says I'll have it Feb. 22.

Thanks - I think that I have one on the way..... but if I run into a problem I will give you a shout - KSP

got my dealer to price the kit installed, said 3639.00 out the door, hope he's in line with every other dealer.

Sounds fair to me - it is a heap load of work - engine tear down to nothing. KSP

You might want to think about replacing the shift fork with the new and improved model - the one for fourth to fith.... KSP

got my dealer to price the kit installed, said 3639.00 out the door, hope he's in line with every other dealer.
Which dealer in NC?????

3639.00, what does that convert to hp and tq?

did you notice that the 1250 harley kit says it will not fit the R ? anyone have an idea why?

did you notice that the 1250 harley kit says it will not fit the R ? anyone have an idea why?
Dave I'm Developing a Turbo Kit just for the R!You will Love it when you see it! :kaz:

did you notice that the 1250 harley kit says it will not fit the R ? anyone have an idea why?

It fits but since there aren't any EPA legal maps for this combination they can't advertise it as fitting this model. It would require a custom Race Tuner map.

At least that's what I understand.

did you notice that the 1250 harley kit says it will not fit the R ? anyone have an idea why?

The reason is that MoCo does not have a FLASH for the VRSCR. I am getting the SE 1250 installed on my new VRSCR and what the guy I talked with with the VROD Powertrain Group said it would not be a problem as long as I made a custom map with the Race Tuner. The Parts are ordered and I will have Lozano Brothers do the tuning. I will post the results when all is done.

Keep your fingers crossed.

The reason is that MoCo does not have a FLASH for the VRSCR. I am getting the SE 1250 installed on my new VRSCR and what the guy I talked with with the VROD Powertrain Group said it would not be a problem as long as I made a custom map with the Race Tuner. The Parts are ordered and I will have Lozano Brothers do the tuning. I will post the results when all is done.

Keep your fingers crossed.

Scott - we fired it up with the 2005 VRSCE map - with some modifcations to the AFR tables to make it a bit fatter.... then did the dyno thing. Worked great - there should be a map on th -d version of software for 2005 ECM.
Kevin

Scott - we fired it up with the 2005 VRSCE map - with some modifcations to the AFR tables to make it a bit fatter.... then did the dyno thing. Worked great - there should be a map on th -d version of software for 2005 ECM.
Kevin

SWEET! That is what I was hoping. I will use that as Baseline and let Mike Lozano work his magic.

The SE Big Bore is on it's way. Kit will be in hopefully be in this week. My understanding is that the jugs need to be sent back to KC to get honed.

I talked with Gil about his box, but he recommended that I go with the R/T becuase of what I'm doing. So, that's the next thing I have to put money on.

Any idea how long the turn-around is for the jugs? Need the bike with in 4 weeks.

Case boring took a week - the shop had the heads diamond cut - that took three.
KSP

Case boring took a week - the shop had the heads diamond cut - that took three.
KSP

Where did the cases get bored? Locally or did you have to send them to KC?

Where did the cases get bored? Locally or did you have to send them to KC?

They sent them to the address that HD had in the instructions - I never asked where that was so..... I am clueless..... there are some great advantages to sponsorship..... they take care of the details. :cheers:
KSP

Chicks HD in ABQ installing (includes all labor) big bore kit, K&N filter and power commander with SE slip fit mufflers (I want to keep the look of the stock V-ROD exhaust) for $4867 on 05 VRSCB. Parts on order.

got my dealer to price the kit installed, said 3639.00 out the door, hope he's in line with every other dealer.

Go to the USA HD web site, click on the big bore kit part description, there is a HP/torque curve comparing before and after. Note, in round numbers, you pay about $200/hp on new bike purchase, $400/hp on modification.

3639.00, what does that convert to hp and tq?

Ordered big bore kit, filter, exhausts and wanted best (cost not an object) tuner- dealer doing work says they get more HP out of VROD on dyno with Power Commander but for other HD bikes get more HP with the other tuner. Didn't see it for myself but they did cut themselves out of about $300 parts and labor recommending PC over other tuner.

The SE Big Bore is on it's way. Kit will be in hopefully be in this week. My understanding is that the jugs need to be sent back to KC to get honed.

I talked with Gil about his box, but he recommended that I go with the R/T becuase of what I'm doing. So, that's the next thing I have to put money on.

Any idea how long the turn-around is for the jugs? Need the bike with in 4 weeks.

Ordered big bore kit, filter, exhausts and wanted best (cost not an object) tuner- dealer doing work says they get more HP out of VROD on dyno with Power Commander but for other HD bikes get more HP with the other tuner. Didn't see it for myself but they did cut themselves out of about $300 parts and labor recommending PC over other tuner.

Kaz is looking for a sponsor, Mr. Warbucks.

:notworth: HEY! Sponsor me, I's just a poor ugly biker and I's need more power............

Ordered big bore kit, filter, exhausts and wanted best (cost not an object) tuner- dealer doing work says they get more HP out of VROD on dyno with Power Commander but for other HD bikes get more HP with the other tuner. Didn't see it for myself but they did cut themselves out of about $300 parts and labor recommending PC over other tuner.
Having recently gone through this, I can tell you that sounds strange. I got more power from RT ( I actually had PCIII on first then decided to go with RT). Also rev limit not able to be changed with powercommander.
I think others will agree...but go ahead and try it. You can always unplug it.

May Technology and MFG., Inc.
2922 Wheeling
Kansas City, Mo. 64129

Originally Posted by dooly12
According to harley-davidson.com machining is to be done buy a specific shop not listed in the description, we are thinking it's Wisceo, but not sure. One thing I do know is that anytime a BB is getting installed machining of the cases is required and looking at book time just the labor to pull the motor split the cases is 17.6hrs. then you will have 1500-2000 in machining cost depending on if you choose to do the heads.....

I got a copy of the instructions from a local dealer and the approved shop for machining as per the instructions is:

May Technology and MFG., Inc.
2922 Wheeling
Kansas City, Mo. 64129

the instructions also say that SE liners and pistons have to be installed in the upper crankcase. If anyone wants a copy of the 9 pages of instructions let me know.

Brian

Originally Posted by dooly12
According to harley-davidson.com machining is to be done buy a specific shop not listed in the description, we are thinking it's Wisceo, but not sure. One thing I do know is that anytime a BB is getting installed machining of the cases is required and looking at book time just the labor to pull the motor split the cases is 17.6hrs. then you will have 1500-2000 in machining cost depending on if you choose to do the heads.....

I got a copy of the instructions from a local dealer and the approved shop for machining as per the instructions is:

May Technology and MFG., Inc.
2922 Wheeling
Kansas City, Mo. 64129

the instructions also say that SE liners and pistons have to be installed in the upper crankcase. If anyone wants a copy of the 9 pages of instructions let me know.

Brian



I just had the SE Big Bore done on my '06 VRSCR. The boring of the cases was included in the kit cost. Cases when out per instructions on a monday and were back on Friday of the next week.

Increasing the purchase price of the bike $4500 for the big bore kit, etc and increasing displacement raised my annual insurance bill from about $525 to almost $950.

Plus, I wonder how many miles I'll get out of this little fuel tank now before having to refuel. . .

There are additional costs to doing this than the installation cost. Then again, if money were the object, I'ld be on some other bike instead of an HD!

3639.00, what does that convert to hp and tq?

Increasing the purchase price of the bike $4500 for the big bore kit, etc and increasing displacement raised my annual insurance bill from about $525 to almost $950.

Plus, I wonder how many miles I'll get out of this little fuel tank now before having to refuel. . .

There are additional costs to doing this than the installation cost. Then again, if money were the object, I'ld be on some other bike instead of an HD!

Who do you have insurance with? I updated my policy with Geico and the premium did not change. You need to check around with different insurance companies and compare rates.