: Mount test
As many of you may remember the camera mount quest I had been having. Well two purchased mounts (that both stunk) and a lot of head scratching later and I got to do my first test with the new mount tonight. It really is clean simple and small and works very good, now to do a test in the daylight.
http://www.v-rod.net/movies/mounttes01.wmv
Total cost to produce the mount was less then 5 dollars, made from scraps laying around the garage. And looks clean enough that it can be left on the bike all the time. I'll post pictures of the mount later.
Danno 11-19-2004, 10:14 PM Max, That's cool!! Can't wait to see your mount. By the way, what type of camcorder are you using??
vrodman 11-19-2004, 10:17 PM hey max rev that thing up let those pipes bark what are they ?
vrodman that is the just installed CFR pipe. Deep throaty growl that sets off car alarms at will. :)
Danno your going to be surprised when you see how simple the mount is. I use a Canon Camera but I got a ccd lens seperate that is running at 480 lines of resolution.
Shawn Nelson 11-19-2004, 10:44 PM that mount works GREAT!!!
kreator 11-19-2004, 11:02 PM That is awesome Max! I am looking forward to finding out how you did this:)
Very nice Max. Very smooth throughout the rev range, even while those CFR pipes are screeching. Which, by the way, sound AWESOME. Look forward to the pics of the mount... another quality Max custom product.
vrodrjs 11-20-2004, 12:11 AM Well I wanted to watch the video, went to download it and it said I could watch it in an hour. Dialup sucks!!!!! Can't wait to get back to work so I can see the video and the mount Max.
ion-man 11-20-2004, 12:44 AM Awe shucks, I thought by the title of this thread that Max was posting in the men's lounge!
vrodrjs 11-20-2004, 12:49 AM :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I think I just wet myself!
AKvrod 11-20-2004, 01:50 AM Excellent Max! :thumb: All my experiments at the end of the season didn't work out. I could get a decent steady frame, but not in any way where the gauge cluster was visible.
mr_vrodder 11-20-2004, 04:55 AM I like the fact you can see the clocks, makes a differance. :thumb:
rjrivero 11-20-2004, 05:42 AM Max, Post lots of these to help me through the winter !!!!!!
Super Kaz 11-20-2004, 08:32 AM I need one of Those for Bonneville! :thumb:
Johnny HotFoot 11-20-2004, 09:08 AM ... excellent point of view for making cool riding videos! I believe you have solved everyone's problem Max! Post them pics soon! Thanx
Max, were you ACTUALLY going the speed limit????
A miracle!
Very stable mount. Can't wait for more Max Productions.
Redbullssg 11-20-2004, 03:07 PM looks pretty stable and solid. Can't wait til you show some pics...
ihringert 11-20-2004, 04:34 PM Hey, my v-rod doesn't go 0-60 that fast. :plause:
ion-man 11-20-2004, 07:07 PM Shooting this at night with the gauges on really makes it look cool. Next up, spending more than 1/2 a second on 3rd - 5th gear and getting those RPMs up. Everybody seems to think we need a 6th gear on the V-rod, but let's face it. IF we stuck to the speed limits we could get away with two.
Dave-04 11-20-2004, 07:46 PM Better wait a second or two before making that left turn at the lights Max. Red light runners will git ya. Especially if you removed your fork reflectors. ;-)
Good tune. Did you see "The Big Labowski"?
Shooting this at night with the gauges on really makes it look cool. Next up, spending more than 1/2 a second on 3rd - 5th gear and getting those RPMs up. Everybody seems to think we need a 6th gear on the V-rod, but let's face it. IF we stuck to the speed limits we could get away with two.
Who sticks to the speed limits. I usually run around 85-90 most of the time and a sixth gear would be nice.
kreator 11-20-2004, 09:33 PM I agree, crusing down the highway at 80-85 in 5th gear I would feel like years gone by on my old 883.. Every time I went on the freeway I felt like I was tearing up the motor...
Sorry about the delay, we have a house full of company spending the week with us. Here are the pics as promised.
mattj 11-20-2004, 10:51 PM Max, what kind of remote lens is that
Matt it is a sony 480 line resolution ccd, it is designed for security I think.
mattj 11-20-2004, 11:16 PM I have a Nikon coolpics5400 and have been wondering about a remote lens where did you get if from
http://skullcamz.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=details&prodID=342
Genius! Way to get around the airbox vibration. So let's hear it, when are you starting up cameramountsbymax.com ?
diomedes, there is no need to, it is a simple piece of 2.5 inch wide 1/8 inch thick flat stock aluminum. I then put it in the vice to bend my angles. I took and rounded all the corners and polished it so it wouldn't look out of place and then mounted it to a spare cluster bottom that I had. Since I have a small end mill in my garage I keep a stock of aluminum around just to cut up from time to time.
Redbullssg 11-21-2004, 08:17 PM So was that lens all that you need. Does it just plug into the RCA on your camera? How, PLEASE Explain? I am very interested in this MOD...
So was that lens all that you need. Does it just plug into the RCA on your camera? How, PLEASE Explain? I am very interested in this MOD...
Yes the ccd lens plugs into your video camera that I put in the tool bag on the front. I also put a remote mic inside the bag. Then you select to record using AV. Almost all cameras allow for the AV record mode.
Redbullssg 11-21-2004, 08:37 PM Thanks, what about the power? Did you purchase the power pack, or do you somehow plug into the video cam? I think I found what I want for Christmas...
MarkSW 11-21-2004, 08:58 PM Super Mod Max!! This to me (my :2cents: ) is a big piece of what this forum is all about. :vrodforu: Transforming your ride to do what you want to do and keeping expences :broke: under control. Kudos Max! We want more!!!
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diomedes, there is no need to, it is a simple piece of 2.5 inch wide 1/8 inch thick flat stock aluminum. I then put it in the vice to bend my angles. I took and rounded all the corners and polished it so it wouldn't look out of place and then mounted it to a spare cluster bottom that I had. Since I have a small end mill in my garage I keep a stock of aluminum around just to cut up from time to time.Cool, I have an extra cluster bottom and would like to borrow your method here, hopefully before the spring. My current mount _may_ work, but I haven't tested it, and your great idea looks much nicer anyway. I'll have to make one myself before the slew of patents, web sites, and infomercials featuring Max and his incredible invention!!
Coolbreeze 11-22-2004, 02:20 AM Max,
Your new camera mount is innovative, thats for sure. It just could be dangerous as hell.
Personally, I wouldn't use a mount like that because of the other possible use of it. That is possibly becoming a dagger should God forbid someone get thrown forward into it. Riders have been easily cut on mirrors, clusters, windscreens. You name it. That mount has the potential of becoming a large knife doing major damage to a rider which its pointing directly at. (Might sound far fetched, but I'm just being honest.) One minor incident and a spine gets cut in half or stomach all cut up. The odds of that happening might be low but I wouldn't want to see that happen to you or any other member here for a video. Why chance it?
My guess is also, you're still going to a shaky picture as aluminum transmits vibration very easily when its not secured as a solid base.
If you check out some of my vids Max, you'll notice a pretty smooth picture in most of the recent videos. That's with a mount placed directly on the airbox. Plus you can acheive the same shot of the cluster. I don't film the cluster because it blocks a lot of the scenery ahead. Accept that one doing 120 that is :).
I remember you talking about the configuration of your camcorder not being able to view over the cluster with your other mount. I never knew you had a problem with vibration as well. I've filmed literally thousands of miles and I'd be happy to share whatever advice I can to help. Just ask.
The other point is on the camera lense. To those thinking about getting one, make sure your camera has the input capability to accept a remote camera. Many don't.
My JVC GRD72 doesn't have input capabilities for a remote camera.
My Panasonic PV-GS120 does. Just double check your video camera manuals before buying a remote camera lense you may not be able to use.
I look forward to seeing some of your flicks Max. Just be careful out there with that mount.
Scott it is soft aluminum with rolled edges and pre-bent and should I hit it, it would simply fold right over the cluster. I gave that much thought, it is probably much safer then having a full camera on the sticky mounts that we had been using.
While it may still have a few very minor vibration points I found that you get the same vibration that you feel with your hands on the bars, which is half of what is on the air box. And it is bolted solid to the cluster. Scott believe me I tried just about everything with the other mount but by the time I could get the vibration out using foam and other things the mount was so high and had so much crap on the air-box cover that you hated to ride the bike. This is not intrusive at all and still allows full view of the cluster and gages since my seating angle puts me looking over the top of the camera which was something the sticky mounts did not allow. I also think that people want to see the gages to get an idea of RPM and speed and that was one thing I hated about the other mount, by the time you could see it you couldn't see what was going on around. The camera is almost wide angle so you still get an excellenct view and still get all of the gages.
Last there is no chance that this will come loose so you don't spend any time checking or baby sitting the camera. And it leaves no marks on the air-box cover so I don't have to change to my plain stock cover for fear of scratching the cover.
Coolbreeze 11-22-2004, 10:02 AM I hope you're right Max.
I know the mount is bent but it is rigid. As far as being soft aluminum, hell, paper is pretty soft but can cut you. I think the odds are low of getting hurt by that mount, but I can see where it could be possible. Just don't want to see anyone get hurt is all.
I'm gonna attach my wide angle lense and see how that affects the overall view of the cluster. Haven't tried that yet. Good idea! Will solve the problem of the cluster taking up too much of the picture.
I forgot to mention, that night scene is very cool!
Looking forward to seeing more of your vids!
Staney 11-23-2004, 10:40 AM Coolbreeze, you said you use an airbox cover mount. Which one? Anypics of it? I would like to start making some vids next riding season.
Great job Max!!
Redbullssg 11-23-2004, 10:55 AM Is it the 3.6mm lens or the 6mm? What is the difference?
sfarson 11-23-2004, 11:54 AM Max,
Nice and creative mount. Your 480 line lipstick camera looks almost like the one I purchased at helmetcamera.com (guess they all look about the same though). And I've learned it works best (as you have) to have the mic in a bag and not out in the wind. Nice having different mount options. BTW, one can get a nice mount for your 1000RR at sportbikecam.com. I used it here (http://www.farson.com/video/rrmijar.wmv) for a tour up a local canyon.
Good riding,
Steve
Redbullssg 11-23-2004, 12:23 PM I found a 600 line ccd for 110bucks. Looks the same but It doesn't come with the velcro mount that you have but instead comes with a swivel mount and I believe 6' cables. I don't have the link on this computer, but I will post it when I get on my other...
OOPS, my bad. It was a black and white. After looking around, man, there are alot to choose from...
Here is another good link...
http://www.bulletcam.com/helmet_Cams_products.htm
Coolbreeze 11-23-2004, 01:29 PM Coolbreeze, you said you use an airbox cover mount. Which one? Anypics of it? I would like to start making some vids next riding season.
Great job Max!!
Staney,
This thread http://www.v-rodforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8109&highlight=camera+mount+flaws has a lot of information in it.
I posted it because the mount I use isn't perfect but the bugs can and should be worked out.
The kind of mount you chose should depend on the kind of filming you want to do and what perspective you with to acheive. Some mounts are limited including the one I use.
I started with a mount on the handlebars. If you go back about 8 or 9 pages you'll see some of those early vids using that mount. It's the vids with the ShAkY pictures.
Although the mount I use now isn't perfect, It's the best one I've used so far. It attaches with suction cups that I've tested to 120mph. Using a tether isn't a bad idea though if you go with that type of mount. I don't have a shop or tools to build my own or there's a lot of things I'd do different.
I have found you get the most stable picture with your camera mounted to a solid base. Once you move the camera from the base you'll be more likely to get vibration.
Good luck and I look forward to seeing your vids!
Karl Scott 11-23-2004, 11:46 PM If Coolbreeze is worried about injury, is there any reason why you couldn't mount it forward of the guage cluster? There are bolts and stuff up there for windscreens, can anything simple, like what you have done Max, be fabricated to sit in front, say over the headlight? That way there would be no danger, real or theoretical, to the rider.
That said - it looks pretty sweet Max! Nice and uncluttered, and the camera I assume is in that little bag up front.
Yes Karl the camera is in the bag, my reason for keeping it behind the cluster is so that you get the view of the gages. The mount is perfectly safe though, since I don't plan to sell the idea simply use it myself I can tell you that I can bend it with one hand for quick adjustment so I'm sure that if my body hit it that it would fold right over the cluster.
Here is a test doing a little more shock removal, funny after trying several things I found that if I took my glove and wrapped it around the camera that it removed most of the 1800-2500 rpm motor vibration that my mount was getting just off of idle. It also put heavy leather on the end of the mount to double my protection.
Before anyone ask yes that is the new CFR pipe running in the clip, very low growl.
mattj 11-26-2004, 07:47 PM Max, this lens connection is just the yellow rca jack right? Or is there other ways to hook it up. On my 5400 it has a a/v out but it doesnt look like an rca jack
Max, this lens connection is just the yellow rca jack right?
Yes it is a single lead that plugs into the video in on the camera.
VrodG 11-26-2004, 08:03 PM Nice work Max !
A quick speed test, no vibration upto 100mph
Vibration free. Real nice.
That wasn't the George Bush Turnpike... that was private property!
rjrivero 11-26-2004, 11:13 PM I Think you've got something good......Nicely Done!!!
Here is most of last nights vibration test. After going through the footage I still find a couple of spots that I get a harmonic vibration but it is still the best trade off I have found to make film from my bike.
http://www.v-rod.net/movies/mount01.wmv
VrodG 11-27-2004, 09:10 AM Looks good Max, I know you have more miles on your bike than that. Could the men in blue get us for speeding with one of these vids? Is it hard mounted or you using some type of rubber bushing?
Greg I'm not sure what the law says but it was not me riding the bike so I doubt they could do anything. :)
The camera is hard mounted but I have tried several different ways. If I use foam or other means of anti-vibration it seems to move a lot at high speed in the wind and it becomes so bulky I hate to ride the bike. The way I have it now you have to really look to see that I even have a camera.
I always leave the odo on trip, as a back up fuel gage.
Coolbreeze 11-27-2004, 11:33 AM Here is most of last nights vibration test. After going through the footage I still find a couple of spots that I get a harmonic vibration but it is still the best trade off I have found to make film from my bike.
http://www.v-rod.net/movies/mount01.wmv
I didn't notice any vibration. Your system provides an excellent picture Max!
Cali-V 11-28-2004, 01:37 AM Max
Your mount looks great and seems to produce some pretty steady shots!
You may be able to reduce vibration even further using a polyurethane material, in a sheet or bushing form, as your dampening device...
Here is a similar mount with the same camera on a CBR, without the v-twin it is stable as rock.
http://www.v-rod.net/movies/cbr1000rr.wmv
rjrivero 11-28-2004, 10:13 AM Dang that SUV that swooped right........punk
Looks like it works pretty well MAX!!!
Here is a similar mount with the same camera on a CBR, without the v-twin it is stable as rock.That really is solid on the CBR. The only vibration is with the bike rocking back when you upshift--there is no engine vibration at all.
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