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blown08vrscdx
07-15-2008, 11:11 PM
This thread is for all those who have this pipe on there bike. Have any of you all put it on for some miles & then removed? Maybe 1k or so? If you did or are curious if you have the same problem as I am experiencing PM me. The issue in question is clearance on the lower clutch cover.

RacerXS
07-16-2008, 12:20 AM
Where do I start.....

1. Pipe burned a hole in my oil line causing it to burst & completely drench from the radiator back going 70MPH on the parkway, the line was not even actually touching the pipe AND it was wrapped. (replaced line, re-wrapped pipe, tied line back as far as possible. Total cost approx $400- including towing costs)

2. The design of the pipe is lame, it sticks out too much so you have to take care not to burn your leg, its too low & drags if you have standard or lower suspension in semi aggressive right turns. (wrapped pipe for heat, got arnott air rides for height, the pipe could use a rear bracket to hold it up a bit)

3. yea, it rubs the cover your talking about (wrapped pipe helps with this too)

4. lost baffle (on the parkway again....lol) despite blue locktite on bolt holding it in, i theorize that the bolt either sheered off or dragged & broke. ($90- for new baffle, added 2nd bolt so it wont happen again)

5. Before I got new baffle I rode without it, the Vance & Hines tag literally turned brown & eventually fell off (had to contact V&H and explain what happened & they sent me a new one N/C, but still a PITA & time I will never get back)

6. Finish is flaking off all over, mostly on the header sections, but some on the rear section. (This is one of the reasons I initially wrapped it. Almost $200- in header wrap & paint, I had to do it twice because of the oil debacle. This winter I will send the back section out for a PROPER powder coat job from Jet-Hot. More time & $$ I will never get back)

I have had so many issues with this pipe as you can see, but I still have it & hopefully all the kinks are worked out now. It is the coolest looking & sounding pipe IMO, but the engineering sucks and I would never recommend it.

ger
07-16-2008, 06:13 AM
Where do I start.....

1. Pipe burned a hole in my oil line causing it to burst & completely drench from the radiator back going 70MPH on the parkway, the line was not even actually touching the pipe AND it was wrapped. (replaced line, re-wrapped pipe, tied line back as far as possible. Total cost approx $400- including towing costs)

2. The design of the pipe is lame, it sticks out too much so you have to take care not to burn your leg, its too low & drags if you have standard or lower suspension in semi aggressive right turns. (wrapped pipe for heat, got arnott air rides for height, the pipe could use a rear bracket to hold it up a bit)

3. yea, it rubs the cover your talking about (wrapped pipe helps with this too)

4. lost baffle (on the parkway again....lol) despite blue locktite on bolt holding it in, i theorize that the bolt either sheered off or dragged & broke. ($90- for new baffle, added 2nd bolt so it wont happen again)

5. Before I got new baffle I rode without it, the Vance & Hines tag literally turned brown & eventually fell off (had to contact V&H and explain what happened & they sent me a new one N/C, but still a PITA & time I will never get back)

6. Finish is flaking off all over, mostly on the header sections, but some on the rear section. (This is one of the reasons I initially wrapped it. Almost $200- in header wrap & paint, I had to do it twice because of the oil debacle. This winter I will send the back section out for a PROPER powder coat job from Jet-Hot. More time & $$ I will never get back)

I have had so many issues with this pipe as you can see, but I still have it & hopefully all the kinks are worked out now. It is the coolest looking & sounding pipe IMO, but the engineering sucks and I would never recommend it.

I agree with you , I think you said it best although I have not had the pipe burn a hole in my oil hose yet I watch it and the cover is melted a bit , I have tied it back now . I am going to wrap mine for the heat issue and mine is peeling everywhere but they did look after that . I want to cut my rear and moove it up a hair as I do scrape it and I have stock suspension

stevel
07-16-2008, 01:59 PM
I have an 07 and have had no problems at all - am I right in thinking that its all you 08 owners that have had issues?

Steve

RacerXS
07-16-2008, 02:15 PM
I have an 07 and have had no problems at all - am I right in thinking that its all you 08 owners that have had issues?

Steve

No, it's the same pipe. How many miles do you have on it?

Demthios
07-16-2008, 02:17 PM
I have an 05B with this pipe and the only problem I have is that is drops down and rubs on the side cover there haven't figured out a way to keep it off yet...

Herr. Monk
07-16-2008, 02:31 PM
I have had all the issues above. I would not buy this pipe again. If it made amazing power, that'd be one thing... but the sound is not enough to justify the rest IMHO.

ScottyStills
07-16-2008, 02:48 PM
Guys I've had the pipe on my 07DX for a couple weeks and a couple thousand km now (yes we ride a lot when the weather's nice up here). I haven't had a single issue.

The only "problem" I've had is that because the 07 doesn't have O2 sensors, I left the plugs in and one of them fell out while riding; keeping in mind they're probably not in there very tight because they're supposed to be taken out. I emailed V&H at around 3:45AM, and by the time I got out of bed 3 hours later I had two emails back:

1. Don't worry about it I'll find one for you.
2. Hey I found a plug for you, what's your address I'll send it this morning.

I got the plug two days later. That's some pretty damn good customer service if you ask me. I love the look of the pipe, the finish is sitting beautifully, it sounds great, and V&H has given me customer service second to none. I think all these issues must be with the 08DX, I hate to say it!

sinic
07-16-2008, 03:26 PM
I have an Indy on my 08DX and I have put a couple thousand on mine as well ...

The ONLY complaint I have is the coating which is peeling in some spots, but I'll have it recoated for $80 in the winter and never worry about it again

Do I drag it? Yup ... even with the Arnotts at the full height, it still drags all the time. I can't see any damage unless I look under the pipe. I could care less ... makes no difference and I knew exactly what I was getting into when I bought it.

When it was installed, the oil line was moved out with zipties to compensate for the extra heat ... small sacrifice

All in all, I think it is the best sounding, best looking pipe for the DX ...

Of all the pipes available for the DX (minus a full custom job), the Indy would still be my first choice

jsims002
07-16-2008, 04:02 PM
Whew, this thread was starting to bring me down. I'm a soldier deployed overseas with a new Indy sitting in my garage that I haven't installed, or even seen. I'm going to keep it and give it a try. I'm sure I could sell it used if I don't like it and still cover the cost of a new alternative.

I have seen a bunch of posts stating that it's "too loud".

I have the baffle.

vrscdx105
07-16-2008, 04:05 PM
had no problems at all with my thunderheader hehehe

stevel
07-16-2008, 04:22 PM
No, it's the same pipe. How many miles do you have on it?
About 1500 miles so far .....
Steve

sinic
07-16-2008, 04:26 PM
Whew, this thread was starting to bring me down. I'm a soldier deployed overseas with a new Indy sitting in my garage that I haven't installed, or even seen. I'm going to keep it and give it a try. I'm sure I could sell it used if I don't like it and still cover the cost of a new alternative.

I have seen a bunch of posts stating that it's "too loud".

I have the baffle.

loud is a relative term. The Indy is loud, no doubt about it ... but there are louder pipes out there. I have heard the Thunderheader, CFR and Indy pipes and they are all about the same level of loudness, but the actual sound is very different

Slick Willy
07-16-2008, 05:08 PM
have about 300 miles on mine:

The good:

Zero flaking - finish is perfect
No oil line issue - everything looks totally unaffected there
Runs real nice


The bad:

I have scraped a bunch...mostly with the wife on back, though. Very very seldom when riding solo.

The reason I am going to have this on the classified section shortly:

Weird, weird, harmonics. I have PM'd a few people about this.

When I ride with a 1/2 helmet the sound of the pipe is beatiful, and I have no issues.

When I ride with a full face for long rides, its almost like the helmet collects the vibrations and "jingo/jangos" them around in my head. Much like bass on a subwoofer is nondirectional...the sound waves from the Indy colect in my helmet and make my ears ring for a few hours after a long ride.

If I put in my $200 custom fit earplugs, this phenomena becomes even worse. Go figure. An Arai helmet and custom earplugs is the most uncomfortable way for me to ride.

I have always enjoyed riding with a full face helmet on long rides because of the wind protection and quietness....but it all goes the opposite way with this pipe and my set up.

I love sound around town, with a half or no helmet, but I'm going to witch because long rides are making me suffer.

**p.s.** Mine is on an 08

ScottyStills
07-16-2008, 05:19 PM
Whew, this thread was starting to bring me down. I'm a soldier deployed overseas with a new Indy sitting in my garage that I haven't installed, or even seen. I'm going to keep it and give it a try. I'm sure I could sell it used if I don't like it and still cover the cost of a new alternative.

I have seen a bunch of posts stating that it's "too loud".

I have the baffle.

Man, you have nothing to worry about. Honestly all these problems (only seems to be on the 08 too) seem like they can be avoided with a little planning. You're in a good spot too! If you're overseas, get somebody to grab your pipes and take them to jet-hott while you're gone; no down time! I'll probably take mine in over the winter just because. I haven't had any problems with the finish though. I made sure I gave them a good run to temp and a cool down when I first installed them (as per the instructions) and I don't see any problems at all.

Herr. Monk
07-16-2008, 05:35 PM
... I don't know what you'd say that would lead you to believe the problems have anything to do with the 08s... the 02 sensors have not led to any of the problems... in fact, 07 users have had problems with the bung screws coming out... he he

The only differences between 07s and 08s is the bore of the engine... the bottom-end of the engine is exactly the same... it's not an 08 thing, Racer has an 07 and has had by far the worst experience with the pipe.

The coating will come off. It just will. Get it re-coated if you like. The pipe will drag way before your right side peg drags, that's a fact. It's the best sounding pipe out there (not a fact, but I think so). the little V&H thing will fall off...

It has a dip in power around 3k that can't be tuned out. Every map I've seen for this pipe has it, even the one from V&H, it's a small dip in an area that you probably don't spend much time in.

ampsdx
07-16-2008, 05:55 PM
I have a 07dx, just got the Indy on Monday. When the bike was delivered I checked for issues. Found the oil line starting to melt, and it does rub on the engine housing a little. I retied the oil line. I'm not sure what to do about the rubbing.

One thing to keep in mind is they had the bike on the Dyno for 5 hours.

Herr. Monk
07-16-2008, 05:58 PM
I have a 07dx, just got the Indy on Monday. When the bike was delivered I checked for issues. Found the oil line starting to melt, and it does rub on the engine housing a little. I retied the oil line. I'm not sure what to do about the rubbing.

One thing to keep in mind is they had the bike on the Dyno for 5 hours.

What kind of numbers did you make.

ampsdx
07-16-2008, 06:04 PM
Not a very "happy" dyno.

Herr. Monk
07-16-2008, 06:08 PM
5 hours for that?

You're A/F should be a straight line right at 13.3:1 A/F. You Are way way almost all the way though, and they didn't even run your bike up to redline... It was not a happy dyno, I'll give you that, but I don't think the tech knew what he was doing...

Again, numbers only mean something before and after the tune to compare. But your A/F should be a nice straight line... especially after 5 hours...

They should also be tunning from 2k to at least 9k...

ampsdx
07-16-2008, 06:26 PM
Unfortunately Iím at the mercy of the tech since I know very little in this area. I will be taking it back for a redo once a new air cover is painted. Any suggestions I can give the tech on the next run?

diverse
07-16-2008, 06:57 PM
I have an 07 and have had no problems at all - am I right in thinking that its all you 08 owners that have had issues?

Steve

Nope, coating started coming off my pipe within 30 miles.

Fitted by dealer, going in next week for warranty replacement/re-coating, don't know TBH.

Had an issue burning boots on pipe, header at bottom sticks way further forward than stock.

I forewarned dealer about oil pipe so it's cable tied to the frame tube, well out the way (touch wood).

sinic
07-16-2008, 07:25 PM
The bad:

Weird, weird, harmonics. I have PM'd a few people about this.

When I ride with a 1/2 helmet the sound of the pipe is beatiful, and I have no issues.

When I ride with a full face for long rides, its almost like the helmet collects the vibrations and "jingo/jangos" them around in my head. Much like bass on a subwoofer is nondirectional...the sound waves from the Indy colect in my helmet and make my ears ring for a few hours after a long ride.

If I put in my $200 custom fit earplugs, this phenomena becomes even worse. Go figure. An Arai helmet and custom earplugs is the most uncomfortable way for me to ride.

I have always enjoyed riding with a full face helmet on long rides because of the wind protection and quietness....but it all goes the opposite way with this pipe and my set up.

I love sound around town, with a half or no helmet, but I'm going to witch because long rides are making me suffer.

**p.s.** Mine is on an 08

you are absolutely bang on the money here ... I noticed the same thing

I love riding with my half helmet, but with my full face the sound bouncing around in the helmet drives me crazy after half an hour. I think it is because the pipe is short and the sound is right there (I rode a CFR VRod the other day and this did not happen)

If I wear my Shoei and ear plugs, it is fine ... without earplugs after 1/2 hour I start feeling like a headache is forming

Vrod-Mike
07-16-2008, 08:20 PM
you are absolutely bang on the money here ... I noticed the same thing

I love riding with my half helmet, but with my full face the sound bouncing around in the helmet drives me crazy after half an hour. I think it is because the pipe is short and the sound is right there (I rode a CFR VRod the other day and this did not happen)

If I wear my Shoei and ear plugs, it is fine ... without earplugs after 1/2 hour I start feeling like a headache is forming

I have a CFR and usually use and half helmet and I'm fine, but with my FF the sound seems to echo inside the helmet and it's very annoying. The only time I use my FF is in the cold weather on short rides though so it's not that bad.

blown08vrscdx
07-16-2008, 08:38 PM
The issue I am having is I took it off yesterday & there is a divot in the clutch cover. When I say divot I mean divot. The paint is completely gone & the stainless is eating the aluminum like water on a lollypop. It just looks so F&$*ing good I am going to have to keep it and make a bracket to push it off ever so slightly & support it.

954rrmike
07-16-2008, 09:05 PM
For a company the size of v&h and for how long they have been around, surely they can do better than this. Seems like you guys paid more than top dollar for a pos pipe. I agree it looks awesome but it could have been engineered and coated properly. I know guys that have built pipes in their garage that never had half of the issues you guys are having. Come on v&h step up to the plate!

Demthios
07-16-2008, 09:18 PM
Even with the issue of it rubbing on the cover I still love the look and sound of this pipe...wouldn't give it up for anything...

Consig64
07-17-2008, 07:47 AM
This pipe really is a POS. It looks and sounds great, but after 500 miles the coating is flaking off everywhere, it is way too close to my oil line (I needed to insulate the line with a piece of metal pipe to keep the boot from melting even though the line is tied back as far as it can go) and when I removed it last night to install some new exhaust gasgets that I finally got around to getting yesterday, I found a nice divit in my clutch cover where the pipe had worn completely through the powder coat. I am pissed and plan to replace this with either a real Destroyer pipe (if I can figure out how to get a baffel fitted), a Joker pipe (if the rumors about its return are true), or a Bub7 (which appears to not have any of the Indy's issues). I can't believe V&H would sell such a piece of garbage.:soapbox:

gritgolfer
07-17-2008, 08:20 AM
I'm glad that I went with the tamer 2n1 model. Not a glitch, good (not obnoxious) sound and reasonable performance.

Herr. Monk
07-17-2008, 11:53 AM
Unfortunately Iím at the mercy of the tech since I know very little in this area. I will be taking it back for a redo once a new air cover is painted. Any suggestions I can give the tech on the next run?

Not really, it takes allot of fuel...

My advice is for you.

Ask to see 4th gear pulls. Make sure you get a before and after 4th gear pull. Make sure the bike is warmed up, and not using warmup fuel for your base run, otherwise, even if they do nothing your "after" run will look better.

What you are looking for is number improvements.

The big thing you care about is the A/F (air fuel ratio). They should be putting the A/F table to 13.3 for the tune, and tuning the entire RPM range to 13.3 for you. That's where the most power is made. If you want to lighten it up after the tune, you can have the tech to that.

But you want the A/F on the printout to be as close to a straight line at 13.3 A/F running from 2krpm to your rev limiter, you will not hurt this engine running it up to the rev limiter unless it's set well above 10k, have them tune the entire rpm range, even after peak power. You will use it if you hit it hard because of the gearing gap between first and second.

stevel
07-17-2008, 03:45 PM
I'm going to post up some photos of my install tomorrow night as there is a fair bit of adjustment when you install the pipes.
I have clear daylight between the front pipe and oil line and the pipe is nowhere near touching the clutch cover , so it sounds to me like you guys need to remove the silencer (!) and slacken off the manifold bolts then twizzle the pipes into the best position before tightening up again.

Steve

ampsdx
07-17-2008, 06:10 PM
Not really, it takes allot of fuel...

My advice is for you.

Ask to see 4th gear pulls. Make sure you get a before and after 4th gear pull. Make sure the bike is warmed up, and not using warmup fuel for your base run, otherwise, even if they do nothing your "after" run will look better.

What you are looking for is number improvements.

The big thing you care about is the A/F (air fuel ratio). They should be putting the A/F table to 13.3 for the tune, and tuning the entire RPM range to 13.3 for you. That's where the most power is made. If you want to lighten it up after the tune, you can have the tech to that.

But you want the A/F on the printout to be as close to a straight line at 13.3 A/F running from 2krpm to your rev limiter, you will not hurt this engine running it up to the rev limiter unless it's set well above 10k, have them tune the entire rpm range, even after peak power. You will use it if you hit it hard because of the gearing gap between first and second.

Sounds good. I'll make those suggestions next tune. Thanks a ton!

stevel
07-18-2008, 01:58 PM
I'm going to post up some photos of my install tomorrow night
Steve
Here's the pics

Steve

jsims002
07-18-2008, 02:45 PM
I have my Indy sitting in my garage, will be home next week & plan on installing it next weekend. Good tip, I'll make sure to twizzle it. Funny thing is, I know what you mean.

ger
07-18-2008, 02:47 PM
still watch the oil line , mine was like that and it melted the outer layer

stevel
07-18-2008, 03:05 PM
still watch the oil line , mine was like that and it melted the outer layer

Good tip , ta.
Sometimes I look at it and think it would be better with the little bracket removed , then there would be a good 15mm between metal and oil line......

Steve

ampsdx
07-18-2008, 06:27 PM
It looks like I have a different version of the Indy than Stevel. Mine doesn't have the smaller bung. If so, that might explain the differences in fitting these pipes.

I understand V&H modified it to fit the '08 better, but they say on their web site the oil line stand off is one of the improvements, so it looks as though we both have the '08.

Any ideas?

mnerren
07-18-2008, 06:57 PM
Don't ever try to order any replacement heat shields for these, you will be on a serious wait list.

Demthios
07-18-2008, 09:43 PM
Does anyone have an Idea on how we could make a bracket on these to keep them from moving? Because like Stevel pics I had that much room on mine but over time they slipped down and started rubbing on the cover...was trying to think of a way to make a bracket that will keep it from slipping down again....

blown08vrscdx
07-18-2008, 10:21 PM
Does anyone have an Idea on how we could make a bracket on these to keep them from moving? Because like Stevel pics I had that much room on mine but over time they slipped down and started rubbing on the cover...was trying to think of a way to make a bracket that will keep it from slipping down again....

Yes, there are a couple of bolts on the bottom of the frame which will make a good support place. A simple L bracket will do the trick. I am waiting on my new pipe to come in before I weld onto it

Seems to be the only real fix but if u have to return then forget about it. I am thinking about making the brace & just sending it to jet hot this winter. Then I will not have to f&$k with it again

ScottyStills
07-22-2008, 11:30 AM
Does anyone have an Idea on how we could make a bracket on these to keep them from moving? Because like Stevel pics I had that much room on mine but over time they slipped down and started rubbing on the cover...was trying to think of a way to make a bracket that will keep it from slipping down again....

Have you really tightened down the exhaust flanges? They might have loosened up from the temperature changes after your initial install. I adjusted mine again after a couple hundred km and haven't had a problem; up to around 3000km (18-1900mi) on mine since the install.

Also for the other posts, I have the little out-sticking doohicky that is contacting my oil line, but there's no sign that even the out cover has started to melt whatsoever. I've been checking it pretty much constantly for fear of an oil slick and a scraped up Scott... I guess I just got lucky with mine?

sinic
07-22-2008, 02:31 PM
After another 2000km on mine, the front section of the header is almost completely bare ... all of the ceramic coating is just about gone

ScottyStills
07-22-2008, 02:44 PM
After another 2000km on mine, the front section of the header is almost completely bare ... all of the ceramic coating is just about gone

Really... Did you warm it right up then let it cool down immediately to cure the finish as per the instructions? I haven't had any problems with the finish yet... Again, maybe I just got lucky.

sinic
07-22-2008, 03:50 PM
The curing right after the install was done exactly to spec ... It is very disappointing

ScottyStills
07-22-2008, 03:52 PM
The curing right after the install was done exactly to spec ... It is very disappointing

I should say so. I'd be right along with you if I were in the same boat.

per4mancehouse
07-22-2008, 07:36 PM
wow i didnt realize that these pipes were so problematic! was thinking of buyings these maybe I should hold off huh! LOLZ

Vrod-Mike
07-22-2008, 07:49 PM
wow i didnt realize that these pipes were so problematic! was thinking of buyings these maybe I should hold off huh! LOLZ

I've seen first hand the problems this pipe can cause. While they look and sound great the problems they are having are totally unacceptable . Especially considering how expensive they are. IMHO

sinic
07-22-2008, 08:24 PM
I decided to wait until winter too pull them off and recoat them at a local place ... the coating they come with is embarassing. My local guy said it is among the worst he has ever seen

He'll recoat the whole thing for me for $75 ... Oh well

Consig64
07-22-2008, 09:22 PM
Good tip , ta.
Sometimes I look at it and think it would be better with the little bracket removed , then there would be a good 15mm between metal and oil line......

Steve

I came to the same conclusion and removed the stand-off bracket. There is now much more space between the pipe and the oil line. I also re-adjusted the pipe to move it further off of the clutch cover - hopefully it will not sag down again. But the biggest issue is the completely unacceptable ceramic coating. I followed the curing instructions to the letter when I first installed this pipe and the coating just continues to flake off. I do not understand how Vance & Hines could use such a crappy coating on an $800 pipe. It is an embarrassment and honestly makes me question the quality of all of their products.

NRspl
07-22-2008, 09:52 PM
For anybody not to sure about this bracket on the pipe take a look at these pics still makes me sick. I have to add that the Oil line was NOT tied back, but if your ties should happen to let loose on a long run this could possible happen and trust me it makes a mess.......

Louis
07-28-2008, 01:33 PM
Hmm. I just bought Slick Willy's pipe, so this isn't good news. And, on another thread, Herr Monk's has just cracked its megaphone. But, on the upside, the friend and neighbour who'll be helping me out with this Badass custom build runs an exhaust company (Renegade) so we should have the facilities.

Seems to me there are seven problems, and I'd like advice on how to avoid them:

1) Coating. That's OK, I'll wrap it.
2) Ground clearance. This is my biggest worry - we'll make a bracket to attach to the frame and bend it up a bit. Sensible?
3) Slips down and contacts clutch cover. See 2.
4) Baffle drops out. Will fit extra bolts.
5) Power dip at 3K. I don't ride at 3K. Not when I'm pushing on anyway.
6) Megaphone cracking. Again, could this be fatigue because it isn't properly supported? See 2)
7) Melts oil line. OK, we'll clip it back.

Will that sort it?

Consig64
07-28-2008, 01:54 PM
With respect to the oil line melting issue, in addition to removing the stand-off bracket from the pipe (in order to increase the space between the pipe and the oil line) and tying the line back to the frame tube, I installed a metal half-sleeve (basically a small pipe that I cut in half length-wise and zip-tied to the line) over that section of the oil line that is closest to the pipe. This adds an "unmeltable" layer of insulation between the pipe and the line and so far seems to have solved the problem.

Herr. Monk
07-28-2008, 02:00 PM
See this here... (http://www.1130cc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1518217#post1518217)

stevel
07-28-2008, 03:14 PM
Hmm. I just bought Slick Willy's pipe, so this isn't good news. And, on another thread, Herr Monk's has just cracked its megaphone. But, on the upside, the friend and neighbour who'll be helping me out with this Badass custom build runs an exhaust company (Renegade) so we should have the facilities.

Seems to me there are seven problems, and I'd like advice on how to avoid them:

1) Coating. That's OK, I'll wrap it.
2) Ground clearance. This is my biggest worry - we'll make a bracket to attach to the frame and bend it up a bit. Sensible?
3) Slips down and contacts clutch cover. See 2.
4) Baffle drops out. Will fit extra bolts.
5) Power dip at 3K. I don't ride at 3K. Not when I'm pushing on anyway.
6) Megaphone cracking. Again, could this be fatigue because it isn't properly supported? See 2)
7) Melts oil line. OK, we'll clip it back.

Will that sort it?

I'd say:
1) I think i'm going to wrap mine as its too easy to burn your leg. Still,keeps you alert....
2)No need really - I haven't scraped mine but maybe i'm a wuss?
3)No need - just bolt it up properly.
4)No need - just bolt it up properly.
5)Its a stumble at 3200 - can be damn useful for getting cars out of your way.....
6)Not happened to me so can't comment although I suspect "just bolt it up properly."
7)Tie back oil line and remove stand off bracket - I have an inch of clearance between the 2 now....

I'll be getting it dyno'd soon so as soon as I have a map based on the UK map i'll let you know......

Steve

Louis
07-28-2008, 04:02 PM
I'd say:
1) I think i'm going to wrap mine as its too easy to burn your leg. Still,keeps you alert....
2)No need really - I haven't scraped mine but maybe i'm a wuss?
3)No need - just bolt it up properly.
4)No need - just bolt it up properly.
5)Its a stumble at 3200 - can be damn useful for getting cars out of your way.....
6)Not happened to me so can't comment although I suspect "just bolt it up properly."
7)Tie back oil line and remove stand off bracket - I have an inch of clearance between the 2 now....

I'll be getting it dyno'd soon so as soon as I have a map based on the UK map i'll let you know......

Steve
A stumble's not good...

Hmm. Maybe I've been a bit hasty - oh well, it wasn't expensive (second hand) and it is all a learning curve. I have a Twinscan II+ coming, plus access to a dyno, so between we should be able to do the best map ever...

mwdhand
07-28-2008, 04:06 PM
A stumble's not good...

Hmm. Maybe I've been a bit hasty - oh well, it wasn't expensive (second hand) and it is all a learning curve. I have a Twinscan II+ coming, plus access to a dyno, so between we should be able to do the best map ever...

V-rods stuttering at 3200 rpm is very common with lots of pipes. Mine did it with the Supertrapp 2:1 after a $300 dyno tune. I tweaked it out by richening it up at that rpm and I don't notice it anymore, but I bet it's still there to some degree.

sinic
07-28-2008, 04:17 PM
Withe the V&H map I used before my tune, the stumble was noticeable, but nothing serious

After the dyno tune, I don't notice any stumble any more. Bike is very smooth through the whole range

haglunddaniel
07-28-2008, 04:34 PM
Hi.

The finish is flaking off for me too. I asked Vance & Hines Motorsports about it. THey told me they have never heard about it. The reason why the finish came off was that we have high octane fuel in Sweden. I guss they did lie to me then...

//Daniel from Sweden.

blown08vrscdx
07-28-2008, 10:37 PM
I still think it is the best looking pipe out there & the sound is awesome. The clutch cover is not cheap but I think cheaper than having to deal w/ guts flying everywhere.

So I am taking mine off but keeping it and making a brace sometime this winter to keep it off the cover. See the sprintex thread on why.


The funny thing about this pipe is that everywhere you read about it V&H openly says it is for race use only. We have to keep in mind that something made for racing is not meant to be run through the crap we put them through. That being said clearance issues are really just not cool. Also, to anyone who has aftermarket wheels this thing is a royal nightmare. Exhaust particulates constantly & sometimes flames come out of mine & reaching inside the rear wheel for an hour to every 4 hours of riding is just not fun at all.

I suppose the best analogy is where everyone wants a seat that is as thick as a pack of cigarettes because it looks cool but then we also want to not be sore. Cannot have both in this case as the bike does not allow for it.

blown08vrscdx
07-28-2008, 10:44 PM
With respect to the oil line melting issue, in addition to removing the stand-off bracket from the pipe (in order to increase the space between the pipe and the oil line) and tying the line back to the frame tube, I installed a metal half-sleeve (basically a small pipe that I cut in half length-wise and zip-tied to the line) over that section of the oil line that is closest to the pipe. This adds an "unmeltable" layer of insulation between the pipe and the line and so far seems to have solved the problem.

Did you put any insulation inside the metal? Otherwise I agree that it will keep it's shape but metal carries energy quite well so really I would think you are sort of defeating the purpose...

Vrod-Mike
07-29-2008, 05:27 AM
I still think it is the best looking pipe out there & the sound is awesome. The clutch cover is not cheap but I think cheaper than having to deal w/ guts flying everywhere.

So I am taking mine off but keeping it and making a brace sometime this winter to keep it off the cover. See the sprintex thread on why.


The funny thing about this pipe is that everywhere you read about it V&H openly says it is for race use only. We have to keep in mind that something made for racing is not meant to be run through the crap we put them through. That being said clearance issues are really just not cool. Also, to anyone who has aftermarket wheels this thing is a royal nightmare. Exhaust particulates constantly & sometimes flames come out of mine & reaching inside the rear wheel for an hour to every 4 hours of riding is just not fun at all.

I suppose the best analogy is where everyone wants a seat that is as thick as a pack of cigarettes because it looks cool but then we also want to not be sore. Cannot have both in this case as the bike does not allow for it.

Every pipe on the market says it's for Race or Off Road use only so that story doesn't fly with me. They made a shit product and they need to step up to the plate and fix the problems. Anyone that orders this pipe after reading these threads should have their head examined.

Louis
07-29-2008, 05:30 AM
Every pipe on the market says it's for Race or Off Road use only so that story doesn't fly with me. They made a shit product and they need to step up to the plate and fix the problems. Anyone that orders this pipe after reading these threads should have their head examined.
I don't see how they can fix it, if I were them I'd quietly drop it. I HAVE ordered one after reading all this, but is S/H from the US, and as such a fraction of the cost of anything sensible at a UK shop, so I'll hope a proper bracket fixes it.

Does anyone have any comments form the dyno - I was hoping for quite a major gain, or will I be disappointed there too?

Vrod-Mike
07-29-2008, 05:34 AM
I don't see how they can fix it, if I were them I'd quietly drop it. I HAVE ordered one after reading all this, but is S/H from the US, and as such a fraction of the cost of anything sensible at a UK shop, so I'll hope a proper bracket fixes it.

Does anyone have any comments form the dyno - I was hoping for quite a major gain, or will I be disappointed there too?

Gain over what the stock pipes? The stock pipes make very good power. Most of the gains we see after changing pipes has more to due with the bike being tuned properly then it has with the change in pipes. The bikes come very lean from the factory. My guess is that if you left the bike stock and put a PC3 or RT and properly tuned it you would have the same or more power then if you changed the pipes.

Louis
07-29-2008, 05:38 AM
Gain over what the stock pipes? The stock pipes make very good power. Most of the gains we see after changing pipes has more to due with the bike being tuned properly then it has with the change in pipes. The bikes come very lean from the factory. My guess is that if you left the bike stock and put a PC3 or RT and properly tuned it you would have the same or more power then if you changed the pipes.
Of course the UK pipes also have a cat, which isn't going to help... It is true that if you make the pipes large enough you can do a lot of noise reduction without much power loss, and the pipes are indeed huge.

Even so a well designed race pipe should find a fair bit more power than something that has to meet EU noise regs, at least 3 or 4 BHP, probably more. The trouble is, as so often with anything Harley related, it is hard to find things that are functional rather than cosmetic.

Vinny
07-29-2008, 06:50 AM
What the hell are all of you doing to these pipes?????:soapbox:I haven't ONE single problem you guys are havening except right hand turns,Which I have learned to adapt my riding style.

Here's my take on some off these issues.

Coating:Improper tune,incomplete or no curing process
Burnt legs:Move your foot further out on the peg(Jokers are worse).
Stumbles:Your tuner SUCKS......
Scrapping:Change your riding style.
Burnt oil line:Too much heat in pipes.Tune<
Lack of lowend HP:Your tuner SUCKS.....Indies like lower AFR's for
accel:deal:.
Clutch cover:improper install.
Cracking:See,scrapping above,also to much heat>Tune


These are IMHO,based from what I have seen and read from posts from people who have used them,also maybe w/ the Indies being my 6th afternarket exhaust in 5 yrs,I've learned what and what not to do.

I forgot,that these are fricking RACE pipes,not your "off road use only" BS that's on every other pipe sold.With that said you have to take that into consideration,and adapt when riding on the street.

Louis
07-29-2008, 06:56 AM
What the hell are all of you doing to these pipes?????:soapbox:I haven't ONE single problem you guys are havening except right hand turns,Which I have learned to adapt my riding style.

Here's my take on some off these issues.

Coating:Improper tune,incomplete or no curing process
Burnt legs:Move your foot further out on the peg(Jokers are worse).
Stumbles:Your tuner SUCKS......
Scrapping:Change your riding style.
Burnt oil line:Too much heat in pipes.Tune<
Lack of lowend HP:Your tuner SUCKS.....Indies like lower AFR's for
accel:deal:.
Clutch cover:improper install.
Cracking:See,scrapping above,also to much heat>Tune


These are IMHO,based from what I have seen and read from posts from people who have used them,also maybe w/ the Indies being my 6th afternarket exhaust in 5 yrs,I've learned what and what not to do.

I forgot,that these are fricking RACE pipes,not your "off road use only" BS that's on every other pipe sold.With that said you have to take that into consideration,and adapt when riding on the street.
Well, I haven't got one (it's coming, I think), but I'm not very amused at scraping with a race pipe, and adapting my riding style is a non starter. I'll see if I can tuck it up a bit.

I do wonder if V&H haven't ALREADY dealt with flaking issue, and the people complaining have older stock, because it seems to be very either / or around here.

sinic
07-29-2008, 07:17 AM
What the hell are all of you doing to these pipes?????:soapbox:I haven't ONE single problem you guys are havening except right hand turns,Which I have learned to adapt my riding style.

Here's my take on some off these issues.

Coating:Improper tune,incomplete or no curing process
Burnt legs:Move your foot further out on the peg(Jokers are worse).
Stumbles:Your tuner SUCKS......
Scrapping:Change your riding style.
Burnt oil line:Too much heat in pipes.Tune<
Lack of lowend HP:Your tuner SUCKS.....Indies like lower AFR's for
accel:deal:.
Clutch cover:improper install.
Cracking:See,scrapping above,also to much heat>Tune


These are IMHO,based from what I have seen and read from posts from people who have used them,also maybe w/ the Indies being my 6th afternarket exhaust in 5 yrs,I've learned what and what not to do.

I forgot,that these are fricking RACE pipes,not your "off road use only" BS that's on every other pipe sold.With that said you have to take that into consideration,and adapt when riding on the street.

I agree with all of these points except #1 ... my pipe was cured exactly as they stated it should be and it started peeling within 25 kms of riding

As for the tuning, my tuner really set the bike up nicely and I love how smooth the bike is now with no stumbles and constant power.

I knew that the pipe would drag on right handers ... even with the Arnotts at full height I still drag because I like to really lean the bike. I knew what I was getting into and accept it ... why though would you place the bolt that holds the baffle at the lowest point where the most scraping occurs? My baffle bolt is wearing out very quickly and I wouldn't be surprised to have the baffle bolt breaking and having the baffle pop out the back while riding ...

There are a lot of weird design flaws with the pipe and the quality is not what I expect from V&H ...

mwdhand
07-29-2008, 07:22 AM
I never considered the tune and what effect it would have on the pipe. It certainly could make a massive difference in the temperature of the exhaust gas.

How are the non-black versions holding up? Do they discolor badly?

Louis
07-29-2008, 07:42 AM
I never considered the tune and what effect it would have on the pipe. It certainly could make a massive difference in the temperature of the exhaust gas.

How are the non-black versions holding up? Do they discolor badly?

Can't have it both ways - if it is a genuine race pipe it should expect to get fried.

mwdhand
07-29-2008, 07:48 AM
Vance & Hines has been tormenting me by using a bike identicle to mine in it's photos of this pipe on their website. I was holding out considering it until I saw power numbers and more information about it's performance and where it's power band is from members here. I also understand the stainless will turn yellow and brown and I have been hoping to see what people without DXs are doing about it, I was thinking along the lines of a chrome like finish ceramic coat or something. Now I'm watching the threads about quality issues very intently, Herr Monk is catching holy hell with this pipe.

Vinny's post has just added to my confusion, I had written it off until I read that he hasn't had a single problem. :banghead:

Consig64
07-29-2008, 07:51 AM
Did you put any insulation inside the metal? Otherwise I agree that it will keep it's shape but metal carries energy quite well so really I would think you are sort of defeating the purpose...

I would agree with you if the metal was touching the pipe - but it's not; there is a good inch of space between the two.

sinic
07-29-2008, 10:21 AM
Look at how the headers look ...

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll151/mikesinic/vandh.jpg

I understand that you are suppose to cure the pipe (though the pipe should come pre cured for the over $800 price tag), but even people who did cure them (myself included) get this kind of shit happening ...

It is absolutely unacceptable and no one should buy this pipe until the quality issues are resolved

Herr. Monk
07-29-2008, 10:27 AM
Cracking:See,scrapping above,also to much heat>Tune


Vinny, I'm happy your pipe is working for you so far, we are all happy with it 'till we're not. I can tell you I started with the map V&H provided, and then went to the tuner with it from there. There was no excessive heat on the tune, in fact, it runs a little rich and cool. The issue is the pipe, and I'm not the first to have this happen.

Good Luck with yours.

ScottyStills
07-29-2008, 10:52 AM
Vinny I've got to say I'm with you, as I've stated earlier I haven't had any problems with it either other than losing a sensor plug, might not have put it quite so bluntly though lol!

As far as the EGT as a function of the tune, this is obvious. That being said though, I don't have any header issues, haven't removed the seperation tab (which is still contacting the oil line with no sign of heat damage) but in the same breath I know the engine is running fairly rich which does keep the heat down.

My bike is going in to the dyno on Thursday so I'm curious about two things.

1. What are the numbers going to be?!?!! (c'mon, obviously!)
2. How hot is the bike going to run once it's tuned for peak power?

With best power is also going to come a peak in your EGT. I'm sure there are a couple other pilots out there who will know that small planes have a richening lever so you can adjust your A/F ratio during flight, and there is an EGT gauge so you can adjust your mixture for best power/engine safety/endurance. Again, your best power comes at peak EGT, but there are two ways to tune the engine for cruise, tune to peak EGT, then richen to bring the temp down a little, or tune to peak EGT then lean to bring the temp down a little. Either way you're just off of your peak performance, but you do it for the sake of your engine. It's obvious when you think about it, heat is energy and power is how fast you get that energy out, so you're getting some of your best power when your engine's putting out the most heat (obviously not that simple of course). Everybody gets their bike tuned for max power, but I'll tell you now I'm going to have the dyno guy tune it for top power, then richen it just a little to keep the temp out of the extreme range.

That being said though I'll post the numbers and map this weekend sometime. :)

diverse
07-29-2008, 12:29 PM
Hi.

The finish is flaking off for me too. I asked Vance & Hines Motorsports about it. THey told me they have never heard about it. The reason why the finish came off was that we have high octane fuel in Sweden. I guss they did lie to me then...

//Daniel from Sweden.

They are telling you porkies! They know about this issue, i'm still waiting for my crap coating to get sorted. Dealer install, dealer cured, V&H map. All BAD :chainsaw:

Vinny I've got to say I'm with you, as I've stated earlier I haven't had any problems with it either other than losing a sensor plug, might not have put it quite so bluntly though lol!

As far as the EGT as a function of the tune, this is obvious. That being said though, I don't have any header issues, haven't removed the seperation tab (which is still contacting the oil line with no sign of heat damage) but in the same breath I know the engine is running fairly rich which does keep the heat down.

My bike is going in to the dyno on Thursday so I'm curious about two things.

1. What are the numbers going to be?!?!! (c'mon, obviously!)
2. How hot is the bike going to run once it's tuned for peak power?

With best power is also going to come a peak in your EGT. I'm sure there are a couple other pilots out there who will know that small planes have a richening lever so you can adjust your A/F ratio during flight, and there is an EGT gauge so you can adjust your mixture for best power/engine safety/endurance. Again, your best power comes at peak EGT, but there are two ways to tune the engine for cruise, tune to peak EGT, then richen to bring the temp down a little, or tune to peak EGT then lean to bring the temp down a little. Either way you're just off of your peak performance, but you do it for the sake of your engine. It's obvious when you think about it, heat is energy and power is how fast you get that energy out, so you're getting some of your best power when your engine's putting out the most heat (obviously not that simple of course). Everybody gets their bike tuned for max power, but I'll tell you now I'm going to have the dyno guy tune it for top power, then richen it just a little to keep the temp out of the extreme range.

That being said though I'll post the numbers and map this weekend sometime. :)

Ooooh, I'd really like to try your map, do you have CAT's in your stock pipes do you know. Louis has opened a possible can of worms there (in a good way).

Vinny, I'm happy your pipe is working for you so far, we are all happy with it 'till we're not. I can tell you I started with the map V&H provided, and then went to the tuner with it from there. There was no excessive heat on the tune, in fact, it runs a little rich and cool. The issue is the pipe, and I'm not the first to have this happen.

Good Luck with yours.

My bikes running as rich as a Saudi Oil Company therefore must be as cool as a cucumer, but the coating's started coming off from day 1.

ScottyStills
07-29-2008, 12:43 PM
Ooooh, I'd really like to try your map, do you have CAT's in your stock pipes do you know. Louis has opened a possible can of worms there (in a good way).

Nope, nothing like that required in Canada. My setup's posted in my sig, so if it matches give it a go! I'm at work right now otherwise I'd post the map I'm using right now. It runs REALLY nice but it's definitely too rich and needs some spring cleaning by the pros...

RacerXS
07-30-2008, 08:42 AM
Why are you trying to defend this piece of crap pipe?

I used their FuelPak with their map setting & have all the problems except the seam splitting.

The pipe is GARBAGE, you can be in denial all you want but this is a fact.

What the hell are all of you doing to these pipes?????:soapbox:I haven't ONE single problem you guys are havening except right hand turns,Which I have learned to adapt my riding style.

Here's my take on some off these issues.

Coating:Improper tune,incomplete or no curing process
Burnt legs:Move your foot further out on the peg(Jokers are worse).
Stumbles:Your tuner SUCKS......
Scrapping:Change your riding style.
Burnt oil line:Too much heat in pipes.Tune<
Lack of lowend HP:Your tuner SUCKS.....Indies like lower AFR's for
accel:deal:.
Clutch cover:improper install.
Cracking:See,scrapping above,also to much heat>Tune


These are IMHO,based from what I have seen and read from posts from people who have used them,also maybe w/ the Indies being my 6th afternarket exhaust in 5 yrs,I've learned what and what not to do.

I forgot,that these are fricking RACE pipes,not your "off road use only" BS that's on every other pipe sold.With that said you have to take that into consideration,and adapt when riding on the street.

ger
07-30-2008, 09:25 AM
my pipe looks like sinics with the exception tha my megaphone is peeling too . I cured it as the instructions said . I think the earlier pipes were the bad one for coatings .
I dont find the scraping acceptible , what would it take to have it sit an inch higher and mine scrapes with stock exhaust.

Vinny you bashed them huge when you were buying yours due to the wait , maybe they make you a special one. you should be happy .
As for the engine casing damage , my pipe is installed correctly and mine still did it .
You cant blame all the problems on the user just because you got a good one . JMO

ScottyStills
07-30-2008, 05:08 PM
I don't want to beat a dead horse here guys, but all of you that have had major issues with this pipe, when did you originally install them, or when where they shipped to you?

I'm just wondering if V&H has made some imporvements in the last little while.

Herr. Monk
07-30-2008, 05:11 PM
I got my in Jan, it was one of the first. On the V&H website it looks like they've re-named and marketed it... and are bo longer baffle optional

ScottyStills
07-30-2008, 05:15 PM
I got my in Jan, it was one of the first. On the V&H website it looks like they've re-named and marketed it... and are bo longer baffle optional

Yep, Indy Outlaw now. I'm curious if at least the finish has been changed, because I have absolutely no problems with mine after almost 3000km already. Waiting for more feedback though.

44XCR800
07-30-2008, 06:30 PM
i have the outlaw and mine still is peeling.it does scape but it hasn't touched the casesand no other problems.i'll just have it recoated this winter.love the sound and look plus alot of people like the looks,

ger
07-31-2008, 09:16 PM
I don't want to beat a dead horse here guys, but all of you that have had major issues with this pipe, when did you originally install them, or when where they shipped to you?

I'm just wondering if V&H has made some imporvements in the last little while.

Mine was one of the first in Jan too . I know all the dealer I got it from didnt even know about it when I asked .

sinic
08-01-2008, 09:33 AM
Mine was in the first batch too ... but there are people who got a later batch that are having all of the same issues

blown08vrscdx
08-01-2008, 11:15 PM
Got my D&D in today, I am going to keep my indy for the drags though

BrianVRSCR
08-15-2008, 08:09 AM
I will have one of these pipes on my R with a 1350BB soon

jsims002
08-15-2008, 08:31 AM
I have the baffled Indy, only been running it for less than 1000 miles, but no peeling. I spent the first several hours running it for less than an hour then gradually increasing the time running. I don't see it peeling in the future. I haven't heard many other pipes, but I can't imagine any sounding any better than the baffled Indy. It's deep and sounds better than my wife's Softail Custom with drag pipes. Do have a question though. I seen on a post where someone said not to use the O2 sensors, but the instructions say connect them to the pipe for an 08DX, which is correct? I currently have the O2 connected.

ScottyStills
08-15-2008, 04:45 PM
I have the baffled Indy, only been running it for less than 1000 miles, but no peeling. I spent the first several hours running it for less than an hour then gradually increasing the time running. I don't see it peeling in the future. I haven't heard many other pipes, but I can't imagine any sounding any better than the baffled Indy. It's deep and sounds better than my wife's Softail Custom with drag pipes. Do have a question though. I seen on a post where someone said not to use the O2 sensors, but the instructions say connect them to the pipe for an 08DX, which is correct? I currently have the O2 connected.

I'm glad to see the pipes worked out for you! I'm glad mine weren't just a lucky shot (well they still might have been I guess).

Not sure about the O2 sensors though, somebody else will definitely have better information.

sinic
08-15-2008, 05:33 PM
I have the baffled Indy, only been running it for less than 1000 miles, but no peeling. I spent the first several hours running it for less than an hour then gradually increasing the time running. I don't see it peeling in the future. I haven't heard many other pipes, but I can't imagine any sounding any better than the baffled Indy. It's deep and sounds better than my wife's Softail Custom with drag pipes. Do have a question though. I seen on a post where someone said not to use the O2 sensors, but the instructions say connect them to the pipe for an 08DX, which is correct? I currently have the O2 connected.

if you are running a PC3 tuner, you bypass the O2 sensors ... the other fuel management systems utilize them IIRC

jsims002
08-15-2008, 07:46 PM
oops!!! Now I have to go dig for the plugs. So the answer is to unplug both O2 sensors and either install the plugs or leave the sensors in, but unplugged?

954rrmike
08-17-2008, 10:54 PM
Hi, I have been looking into this pipe and I was wondering why some have two ports for o2 sensors and some seem to have four. Was this a change as production increased. Also shouldn't this pipe have a rear bracket, wouldn't alot of stress be put on the head bolts without a rear bracket? I may buy a used one, I love the look but it does seem like a pos. Has anyone fabricated a bracket onto one yet?

Mike

stevel
08-18-2008, 06:29 AM
Hi, I have been looking into this pipe and I was wondering why some have two ports for o2 sensors and some seem to have four. Was this a change as production increased. Also shouldn't this pipe have a rear bracket, wouldn't alot of stress be put on the head bolts without a rear bracket? I may buy a used one, I love the look but it does seem like a pos. Has anyone fabricated a bracket onto one yet?

Mike

You dont need a bracket - it weighs next to nothing.

Steve

954rrmike
08-18-2008, 08:44 AM
Thanks stevel , what do you think about the two vs four ports.

ScottyStills
08-18-2008, 10:58 AM
You dont need a bracket - it weighs next to nothing.

Steve

Ya man, I think it's 6lbs total weight? No need at all...

sinic
08-18-2008, 11:13 AM
That's the best part of the pipe ... the weight savings are completely noticeable and the bike no longer pulls to the right when riding in a straight line

If the quality was what it was suppose to be, it would be the perfect pipe

ScottyStills
08-18-2008, 11:27 AM
I think the new production runs have fixed the previous flaws...

sinic
08-18-2008, 11:56 AM
So V&H's stance is that there was nothing wrong with the pipes so they refuse to repair the problems we have been having, but found it necessary to change the production on later pipes to avoid the issues that don't exist?

Yea ... not buying it

ScottyStills
08-18-2008, 12:37 PM
So V&H's stance is that there was nothing wrong with the pipes so they refuse to repair the problems we have been having, but found it necessary to change the production on later pipes to avoid the issues that don't exist?

Yea ... not buying it

lol like I said, it's good NOW! I know that doesn't help anybody, but now that the problems have been worked out I LOVE this pipe, wouldn't change it for the world.

954rrmike
08-18-2008, 03:38 PM
How many ports are on you guys, some seem to have 02 and egt and others like the used one I am trying to buy only have the 02. How many freakin versions of this pipe are there or is v&h quality so poor that they forgot the egt ports?

Mike

stevel
08-18-2008, 04:01 PM
Thanks stevel , what do you think about the two vs four ports.

I've got 2 ports on each header pipe on mine - I bought it in Feb 08.
Not seen one with only 1 port per pipe.

Steve

954rrmike
08-18-2008, 04:30 PM
Look in the classifieds under indy pipe for sale, I am trying to buy it but I am wondering what version it is. I want to get the one with the least problems. How many times has this pipe been changed?

cycorod
08-18-2008, 05:10 PM
i have the indy outlaw on my 08dxa, with all its flaws i still like this pipe. i think it is one of the better looking pipes for the dx, i black ceramic coated mine from jet-hot, it had to be done twice & the headers are bubbling (not peeling yet), but it still looks good, it sounds great with the baffle no packing, i adjusted it so it stays clear of the cover.

does anybody get a loud gurgling on decel (not popping or back fire)?
i'm thinking it's the shape of the megaphone end.????????

ScottyStills
08-18-2008, 07:07 PM
I've got one per pipe, two total. I got mine in June of this year.

ScottyStills
08-18-2008, 07:09 PM
does anybody get a loud gurgling on decel (not popping or back fire)?
i'm thinking it's the shape of the megaphone end.????????

I did get some gurgling/poppin on decel as well, but it was a result of having too lean a map for 0% throttle in each of the rpm ranges.

jsims002
08-18-2008, 07:26 PM
Is everyone running PCIII and filter running the map off the V&H site or running a map as a result of a dyno tune?

I've ran mine with the O2 sensors connected and now disconnected with the plug in that came with the pipe and there's no difference. It seems between 3k and 4k RPM there's a problem in the map or something, it seems to hesitate, anyone else having this problem?

ScottyStills
08-18-2008, 08:23 PM
Is everyone running PCIII and filter running the map off the V&H site or running a map as a result of a dyno tune?

I've ran mine with the O2 sensors connected and now disconnected with the plug in that came with the pipe and there's no difference. It seems between 3k and 4k RPM there's a problem in the map or something, it seems to hesitate, anyone else having this problem?

Ya man I think that's pretty normal for the bike itself, not so much something to do with the pipe/PCIII combination. It's not horrible, just seems like the engine is hesitating or bogged down somehow. I find mine to be only maybe 3-3.5k ish range.

954rrmike
08-18-2008, 09:25 PM
I find it very strange that some have two ports and others have four, how many versions exist for this pipe. It seems that the newer production have two ports and the original had four. I just want to make sure I buy the best version. Thanks guys.

Mike

Louis
08-19-2008, 05:59 AM
Ya man I think that's pretty normal for the bike itself, not so much something to do with the pipe/PCIII combination. It's not horrible, just seems like the engine is hesitating or bogged down somehow. I find mine to be only maybe 3-3.5k ish range.
I'd find that totally unacceptable myself.

Vinny
08-19-2008, 06:17 AM
Ya man I think that's pretty normal for the bike itself, not so much something to do with the pipe/PCIII combination. It's not horrible, just seems like the engine is hesitating or bogged down somehow. I find mine to be only maybe 3-3.5k ish range.

Cruizing or lite accel?If you it's during accel,richen up the corresponding cells.Indy's love a fatter AFR,when accelerating thru the lower Rs:deal:.If cruizing it may be on the rich side.

These pipes take some time to get tweaked in,Hell I've been tweaking mine for 2 months now...But once they are you'll get great mileage and power.:deal:

ScottyStills
08-19-2008, 03:47 PM
Yep absolutely! I've gotten mine down to almost no popping anymore, but I'd love to get the little flat spot taken out of the 3k range, andI know I'm running rich. Actually very rich! The only real problem I'm finding is that when I'm on the highway cruising in 5th around 150km/h I'm above 6k rpm, and the PCIII really throws the gas in in that power bar. I can only get about 170-180km on a tank. I'm sure that'll get worked out once I get it on one of the ridiculously busy dynos in town. I had an appointment two weeks ago and got bumped. NOT IMPRESSED!

954rrmike
08-19-2008, 08:29 PM
I found out that the newer versions have the two ports. Hey Vinny what map are you running? Will my best bet be to start with the map off the V&H website or is there something better for my 04. Anyone getting good fuel mileage with this setup?

Mike

ger
08-19-2008, 11:16 PM
If I highway ride I get over 300kms out of a tank , around town about 250kms

Opus
08-20-2008, 01:06 AM
The first indy versions were lower and the curvature of the front header are different than the second version.

Somewhere here, someone took the 1st version & customized it. They cut the headers so that the can was higher of the ground and the curvature of the front header was tighter. I think V&H probably got the idea from here and made the second version, IMO.

I have an '07 DX and I waited for the second version. I now have about a 1000 miles on it. The finish is chipping at the bends in the header, the rest is ok. I'm paranoid about the oil line so I'm constantly checking it. I'll be at a light and just glance down to make sure it's ok. So far so good, knock on wood.

About 3 months ago I went down on a slow blind corner with a bunch of debrise on the road. I managed to stand it up a little like a dirt bike. The front header, the can, the footpeg, the mirror got scratched up a little. Personally I think the exhaust saved the radiator shroud.

I picked the bike up and gave it a once over. Everything seemed ok, except my foot, which I later found out that I had fractured the heel. Well I hadn't noticed that the pipe was against the cover and in pain I rode it home. Once I looked at it more carefully, I noticed it was up against the case. It had wore a divot into it from a 180 mile ride home. So from now on I also check the distance between the pipe and the case. So far no problems, again knock on wood. I have had to retorque the exhaust flange hex-nuts once. I check those about once every 2 or 3 weeks. I have a 1/4 inch torque wrench that works well for the tight spots.

I love the look and the sound of the exhaust sytem, I am quite happy with it. I do all the stuff above because of the problems some people have had here.

Also, I to get the buzzing in the ear with a full face helmet. I will be trying custom earplugs eventually.

954rrmike
08-20-2008, 08:41 PM
I bought the pipe which will be going on my 04b. I can't wait to hear it.
Do you guys have any pc3 map advice for me. I am looking for smoothness and preserved fuel economy. Any help will be appreciated.

Mike

ger
08-21-2008, 10:27 PM
I wrapped my pipe (picks in gallery ) and I also took some wrap and did the oil line too . That scares the crap out of me thinking of it melting .

nic_a_bod
08-21-2008, 10:50 PM
I'm working on a map for my sert as I we speak. But I have heads, tb, cams so it won't do most of you any good.

Only real problem is the coating flaking off, didn't have a problem for awhile broke it in like it said. Went to MWt3 came home washed the bike, and the coating was on the wash mit when I wiped it down :(

No oil line issue, but I made sure it was out of the way when I had my destroyer pipe. I really think it needs to be away from the stand off also. It's not very hard to give the oil line a little more bend in the fitting while a person has the pipe off.............

It drags once and awhile, but nothing like my destroyer pipe did. I have the bike lowered 1-1/2". I think it's acceptable the bike isn't a sport bike so why try to ride it like one, trade up for a R if you want to ride it like that.

All in all satisfied with the pipe.

954rrmike
08-22-2008, 09:33 PM
nic a bod did you bend the oil line at the top or bottom?

Vrod-Mike
08-22-2008, 10:31 PM
nic a bod did you bend the oil line at the top or bottom?

The oil line is flexible where it comes in contact with the Indy so bending it at the top or bottom would have no affect on where it runs. What needs to be done is to tie it back to the fan bracket. I did that on RacerXS bike and he hasn't had any problems since.

nic_a_bod
08-23-2008, 12:03 AM
The oil line is flexible where it comes in contact with the Indy so bending it at the top or bottom would have no affect on where it runs. What needs to be done is to tie it back to the fan bracket. I did that on RacerXS bike and he hasn't had any problems since.

Unless they changed how the oil line goes into the radiator that isn't the case, I don't have mine zip tied back or nothing. Just bent the steel line some - where it goes into the radiator. I know either smokin joe, or bryan mentioned that's what they did with their indy pipe for the oil line.

As mentioned before about alot of the bikes being a 08 with the problems, are they running leaner since they have the 02 sensors?

I think that stand off on the pipe is a joke as that is going to get just as hot as the pipe, couple of the pictures in this thread you can clearly tell the sheath over the oil line was touching this and that is why they had a issue with stuff melting.

nic_a_bod
08-23-2008, 12:06 AM
also just another note, I put braided ss over the oil line and a heat shrink tube over that, and the heat shrink tube hasn't burnt up or shrunk anymore or anything and that's what it's made to do when heat is applied to it and like I said there isn't a single zip tie on it

latanea
08-23-2008, 07:53 AM
The Vance and Hines "Vrod Competition Series" is part number
75-106-4 for stainless and 75-107-9 for black ceramic.

where are you guys seeing a new name of "outlaw?"...

also there are still some series 1 comp pipes still out there - they are LOW and rub in places (as previously mentioned).


keep in mind that this pipe (series 1) was never intended to be run on the street...

series 2 came about because hundreds of guys bought the series 1 and bitched about the problems on the street...

when VnH realized there was a market - they made the pipe more street friendly.

BrianVRSCR
08-23-2008, 10:12 AM
several sites have the name "outlaw" on this pipe, here's one:

http://westendmotorsports.com/product_info.php?cPath=1733_1734_1746&products_id=11770

nic_a_bod
08-23-2008, 12:17 PM
The Vance and Hines "Vrod Competition Series" is part number
75-106-4 for stainless and 75-107-9 for black ceramic.

where are you guys seeing a new name of "outlaw?"...

also there are still some series 1 comp pipes still out there - they are LOW and rub in places (as previously mentioned).


keep in mind that this pipe (series 1) was never intended to be run on the street...

series 2 came about because hundreds of guys bought the series 1 and bitched about the problems on the street...

when VnH realized there was a market - they made the pipe more street friendly.

Go into v&h site, there is the competition indy yet which is low has the 4 ports and no oil line stand off just like the orginal, then there is the outlaw indy (street version) with only 2 ports, oil stand off and more clearance.

954rrmike
08-23-2008, 12:22 PM
The only one I can find on their site is the competition series. These pipes are confusing. They need to get their shit together. The one I bought has two ports, I email'd v&h and they said it is the indy's newest version.

954rrmike
08-23-2008, 12:27 PM
Can you guys post pics of what you did to the oil line. Are you just trying to get it to lay in beside the fan and frame as far as possible? I think I will cut the little bracket off before I install because that thing makes no sense at all. From the pics of the oil line rupture it appears the bracket chafed through the line.,

cycorod
08-23-2008, 12:55 PM
i was thinking of cutting the stand off bracket myself. i just checked it & the oil return line is touching, when i installed the pipe i zipped tied it back a little & "ERMS" gave me a piece of heater hose wrap which seems to be holding up even with the stand off bracket touching.

ampsdx
08-23-2008, 02:23 PM
Can you guys post pics of what you did to the oil line. Are you just trying to get it to lay in beside the fan and frame as far as possible? I think I will cut the little bracket off before I install because that thing makes no sense at all. From the pics of the oil line rupture it appears the bracket chafed through the line.,

See photos of the tied line on page 2 of this thread. I tied it up about 6 weeks ago, no problems yet. I also have had no flaking as of yet (knock on wood).

ceagleso
08-23-2008, 04:49 PM
I cut that stupid little tab off the front by the oil line during installation just for a little cheap insurance and zip tied the oil line to the frame so far no issues with melting the oil line.

Seven7
08-23-2008, 08:42 PM
I agree with you on the burn part. I just put my VH exhaust on this week and my jeans caught on fire. But the new design does elimnate the oil line burn. I may wrap mine too for the legs however.

954rrmike
08-23-2008, 11:02 PM
I went and looked at my bike and it seems that if I tywrap the oil line to the fan bracket there is a chance that the tywrap could damage the radiator. My fan bracket is pretty much touching the rad. I there another spot you guys are tying it back.

Seven7
08-24-2008, 05:06 PM
Whew, this thread was starting to bring me down. I'm a soldier deployed overseas with a new Indy sitting in my garage that I haven't installed, or even seen. I'm going to keep it and give it a try. I'm sure I could sell it used if I don't like it and still cover the cost of a new alternative.

I have seen a bunch of posts stating that it's "too loud".

I have the baffle.

I have put miles on mine... highway, city and some crazy hot stop and go blvds. Only complaint is burning my jeans. Loud, Looks great. Sounds great and good power. I need to retune as I am burning too rich.. but that's my goof. It's a great pipe.

nic_a_bod
08-25-2008, 08:08 AM
i was thinking of cutting the stand off bracket myself. i just checked it & the oil return line is touching, when i installed the pipe i zipped tied it back a little & "ERMS" gave me a piece of heater hose wrap which seems to be holding up even with the stand off bracket touching.

That stand off bracket is going to get as hot as the pipe, ever heard of conduction as a way for heat transfer. I wouldn't have anything touching it.

nic_a_bod
08-25-2008, 08:18 AM
I went to the v&h site, looks like they changed shit again to confuse people even more. Who's the brainiac behind changing it around all the damn time???.

Ok the (competition indy) new name = destroyer competition series race pipe - with the egt fittings for the race pack and 02 sensors, won't work on street bike very well, link http://www.vhmotorsports.com/products/indy_race_pipe.html#

Ok the (outlaw indy) new name = competition series exhaust. link http://www.vhmotorsports.com/products/indy_vrod_pipe.html

954rrmike
08-25-2008, 09:21 AM
First it was the indy, then it was the outlaw, now those names are not even used. That is just retarded. I wonder what the sign on the pipe says now or if it is blank so you can change the name with a high heat sharpie every other week.

BrianVRSCR
09-01-2008, 06:31 PM
I went to the v&h site, looks like they changed shit again to confuse people even more. Who's the brainiac behind changing it around all the damn time???.

Ok the (competition indy) new name = destroyer competition series race pipe - with the egt fittings for the race pack and 02 sensors, won't work on street bike very well, link http://www.vhmotorsports.com/products/indy_race_pipe.html#

Ok the (outlaw indy) new name = competition series exhaust. link http://www.vhmotorsports.com/products/indy_vrod_pipe.html

Here is a pic of what is says on my box the pipe came in. It says Outlaw Indy pipe:

954rrmike
09-01-2008, 09:06 PM
Did you get the stainless one on yet, if so post up a pic. Did the baffle come pre installed in it or did you have to put it in? What are your thoughts on it?

BrianVRSCR
09-02-2008, 06:15 AM
Did you get the stainless one on yet, if so post up a pic. Did the baffle come pre installed in it or did you have to put it in? What are your thoughts on it?

Got the pipe. Have not got it installed yet. Going to get it ceramic coated first. It did come with a baffle. I will let you know when I get it installed.

rail240
09-02-2008, 07:58 AM
I have the Indy Destroyer pipe on my Destroyer. I love it! Definately makes power, no doubt :deal:

Yes very noisey but it is a RACE ONLY PIPE even the V-ROD model it says RACE USE ONLY. They do get hot if you are revving the crap outta your rod, take my word for it!

You should always wear leathers with this pipe is my recomendation ;)

sinic
09-02-2008, 08:24 AM
The pipe absoluetlt gets hot ... even at idle

I was stuck at a border crossing for about an hour last week and I was wearing jeans ... the heat was absolutely unbearable and my right leg was roasting ... after about 20 minutes, I shut the bike off and duckwalked (looking like an idiot I'm sure) until I got to the front of the line (I was moving 7 feet every 5 minutes or so).

I am going to wrap my pipes to see if it helps a little ... but those who spend a lot of time in traffic, this will not be the pipe for you (quality issues aside)

nic_a_bod
09-02-2008, 09:41 AM
Here is a pic of what is says on my box the pipe came in. It says Outlaw Indy pipe:

It's probably old stock, yeah my box says outlaw on it too, but I bet the new ones come out of the factory doesn't say outlaw on the box

BrianVRSCR
09-02-2008, 07:42 PM
It's probably old stock, yeah my box says outlaw on it too, but I bet the new ones come out of the factory doesn't say outlaw on the box

Mine was manuf. 02-08

The pipe absoluetlt gets hot ... even at idle

I was stuck at a border crossing for about an hour last week and I was wearing jeans ... the heat was absolutely unbearable and my right leg was roasting ... after about 20 minutes, I shut the bike off and duckwalked (looking like an idiot I'm sure) until I got to the front of the line (I was moving 7 feet every 5 minutes or so).

I am going to wrap my pipes to see if it helps a little ... but those who spend a lot of time in traffic, this will not be the pipe for you (quality issues aside)

Why not just ceramic coat it?

I have the Indy Destroyer pipe on my Destroyer. I love it! Definately makes power, no doubt :deal:

Yes very noisey but it is a RACE ONLY PIPE even the V-ROD model it says RACE USE ONLY. They do get hot if you are revving the crap outta your rod, take my word for it!

You should always wear leathers with this pipe is my recomendation ;)

All pipes say that now-a-days, it's helps get passed the EPA B.S. Why not ceramic coat it, and you can wear ear plugs if it's too loud or put the baffle in.

KevinEleven
09-02-2008, 08:45 PM
Is it true that changing the fuel map while using this pipe will make it run cooler?

Will it still kick the fan on all the time?

latanea
09-03-2008, 06:39 AM
"my VnH pipe is hot and burns my leg etc etc"


no crap? IT IS FOR RACING ONLY

guys buy a race part and then complain about "ergonomics" or comfort or "its too loud"...


wake up boys - it stands to reason that a low race pipe with no shielding will burn you when you touch it.


as for a diff. map runing cooler - well yeah, if it is running fatter.

rich mix = cooler exhaust

lean mix = hotter exhaust..

but the whole thing that bothers me is the motive of the question...

It is much more imprtant to know what your AF ratio is - and keep your engine happy - screw your comfort.

KevinEleven
09-03-2008, 06:55 AM
"my VnH pipe is hot and burns my leg etc etc"


no crap? IT IS FOR RACING ONLY

guys buy a race part and then complain about "ergonomics" or comfort or "its too loud"...


wake up boys - it stands to reason that a low race pipe with no shielding will burn you when you touch it.


as for a diff. map runing cooler - well yeah, if it is running fatter.

rich mix = cooler exhaust

lean mix = hotter exhaust..

but the whole thing that bothers me is the motive of the question...

It is much more imprtant to know what your AF ratio is - and keep your engine happy - screw your comfort.


To be sure, I'm not worried about ME being too hot. I am worried about the engine. I was asking people who have the pipe, who have installed a power commander, will the fan still come on frequently.

I'm TRULY surprised no one has said "if you don't like it hot, go buy a scooter!" that was a frequently repeated phrase for a few months there.

rail240
09-03-2008, 10:44 AM
Mine was manuf. 02-08



Why not just ceramic coat it?



All pipes say that now-a-days, it's helps get passed the EPA B.S. Why not ceramic coat it, and you can wear ear plugs if it's too loud or put the baffle in.

Hey Brian,
I wasnt complaining at all. I LOVE THIS PIPE! Mine is on a Destroyer so there wont be any talk of baffles :D I also am always wearing leathers cause I am racing it so I know its hot, its hitting 9500+ most of its life :angeldev: New PB 9.71 today, looking for a 60 now!

ger
09-03-2008, 11:58 AM
The pipe absoluetlt gets hot ... even at idle

I was stuck at a border crossing for about an hour last week and I was wearing jeans ... the heat was absolutely unbearable and my right leg was roasting ... after about 20 minutes, I shut the bike off and duckwalked (looking like an idiot I'm sure) until I got to the front of the line (I was moving 7 feet every 5 minutes or so).

I am going to wrap my pipes to see if it helps a little ... but those who spend a lot of time in traffic, this will not be the pipe for you (quality issues aside)


Im with you , in traffic it was crazy hot ,it is way better wrapped but it still gets hot if I wear shorts (i know so I dont need to hear it either) even with the wrap . I dont think I would go without the wrap again .

cycorod
09-03-2008, 01:31 PM
my 08dxa fan came on constantly & the heat was blown through my frigging leg. with my indy outlaw the fan doesn't come on as much. i did get it ceramic coated.To be sure, I'm not worried about ME being too hot. I am worried about the engine. I was asking people who have the pipe, who have installed a power commander, will the fan still come on frequently.

I'm TRULY surprised no one has said "if you don't like it hot, go buy a scooter!" that was a frequently repeated phrase for a few months there.

rcwire
09-05-2008, 06:58 AM
"Pipe rubs on right corners" So did my stock pipes, all though not nearly as much.

"Does it run cooler with PC?" Absolutely. Huge difference in fan time than with my stock setup.

"Does it rub on clutch cover?" Yes. IMO the pipe needs some type of spacer. Some type of super high temp rubber standoff would be ideal.

As for finish, so far so good. Very few miles yet though.

nic_a_bod
09-05-2008, 09:24 AM
"Does it rub on clutch cover?" Yes. IMO the pipe needs some type of spacer. Some type of super high temp rubber standoff would be ideal.



Anyone that has their pipe that close to the cover needs to loosen up the header clamps and pull up on the pipe it should have sufficient clearance then. I'm able to get my finger between the pipe and clutch cover. This isn't just a slap it on pipe I'll give that much. A person needs to take some time installing it to make sure there is clearance around everything.

Question though all you with the clutch cover rub marks, did you check the nuts to see if they were loose on the header clamp? That would allow it to sag down and touch....

rcwire
09-05-2008, 02:05 PM
The header nuts should not be torqued tight enough to hold the weight if the pipe. Even if they are they don't stay that way.

RacerXS
09-05-2008, 02:42 PM
The header nuts should not be torqued tight enough to hold the weight if the pipe. Even if they are they don't stay that way.

It's pretty much the only thing holding this pipe at all, so you gotta.
I had the pipe & did try to loosen it up & pull it out, then tighten it. It stayed out for a while, then started rubbing again. A fabricated bracket would be the best solution.

This pipe is not intended for anyone who wants to ride everyday IMO, to me it's one giant design flaw.

If your just going to use it on the race track, or putt around & use your bike as a bar hopper then it's perfect.

BTW - If anyone wants one for $300-, here is the link: http://www.1130cc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108052

nic_a_bod
09-05-2008, 05:44 PM
The header nuts should not be torqued tight enough to hold the weight if the pipe. Even if they are they don't stay that way.

Torque in hd manual list (24-27 ft-lbs) for the nuts.

nic_a_bod
09-05-2008, 06:04 PM
Since my heads and pipe are off my motor at this time, I went and threw a header on and wrenched the nut down to what I do on it and checked the torque, it was around 12ft-lb and thats what was holding the pipe up for me and not dropping down.

Then I torqued it to the manual specs and I guarantee that pipe will stay up off the cover if a person torque's the nuts down to what they should be. So there should be no reason as why the pipe is rubbing on clutch covers.

Also this will help a ton on clearance, if it's touchin the cover it's hangin down that much more. I will shoot some pictures of mine touching the cover and how low it is to the ground and then when I pull up on it. If I was a betting man I'd say I would gain about a 1" in clearance

latanea
09-07-2008, 09:01 AM
ok - so here is the question of the day..


I am working on a buddies 07' dx

he wants a KnN filter - a black indy pipe - and a PCIII

where is the cheapest place to order them?:wazzup:

rcwire
09-07-2008, 04:02 PM
Torque in hd manual list (24-27 ft-lbs) for the nuts.

My manual lists 71-106 in-lbs. (5.9-8.8 ft-lbs.).

nic_a_bod
09-08-2008, 08:12 AM
My manual lists 71-106 in-lbs. (5.9-8.8 ft-lbs.).

You're right, in my 2002 manual page 2-12 I was looking at the exhaust clamp nut instead of the exhaust flange nut

KevinEleven
09-09-2008, 08:24 PM
But no luck.. I'm trying to find a PCIII map for this pipe..

I have a 2008 VRSCDX with the Indy outlaw and a K&N Filter - and obviously the Power Commander 3 unit. I looked at the files thread, but i found nothing.

Did I just overlook something? Can someone help me out?

rcwire
09-09-2008, 10:55 PM
http://www.vhmotorsports.com/products/indy_vrod_pipe.html

At the bottom of the page on left.

latanea
09-11-2008, 11:14 AM
ok - so here is the question of the day..


I am working on a buddies 07' dx

he wants a KnN filter - a black indy pipe - and a PCIII

where is the cheapest place to order them?:wazzup:



anyone?

rcwire
09-11-2008, 12:49 PM
http://www.vhmotorsports.com/products/indy_vrod_pipe.html

At the bottom of the page on left.

RacerXS
09-11-2008, 07:36 PM
anyone?

I have actually been seeing the Indy pipes on E-bay for pretty cheap......but I still advise staying away from it.

ROCKERDAN
09-11-2008, 10:54 PM
I have actually been seeing the Indy pipes on E-bay for pretty cheap......but I still advise staying away from it.

this pipe has the most issues out of any pipe ive seen for the vrods....shows how V&H has gone down in quality and research....i still cant believe they have no heat shields on the head pipes,just that small one on back pipe...when you can get a RH or bub with FULL COVERAGE heat shields for much much less money...

Dan

Louis
09-11-2008, 10:57 PM
this pipe has the most issues out of any pipe ive seen for the vrods....shows how V&H has gone down in quality and research....i still cant believe they have no heat shields on the head pipes,just that small one on back pipe...when you can get a RH or bub with FULL COVERAGE heat shields for much much less money...

Dan
Not fair on V&H - it seems it really is a race only pipe. The trouble is that so many exhausts say that as a way of being sold legally that a lot of people bought them anyway, without realising quite what they were getting.

I'd still run a mile from it on a road bike though, based on what I've read.

ROCKERDAN
09-11-2008, 11:04 PM
Not fair on V&H - it seems it really is a race only pipe. The trouble is that so many exhausts say that as a way of being sold legally that a lot of people bought them anyway, without realising quite what they were getting.

I'd still run a mile from it on a road bike though, based on what I've read.

I can see the scraping ect being its modeled after a drag pipe....but what about no heat shields where the oil line is?...why doesnt it have another bracket to hold it in place?....that is horrible design work IMO....and they know its an issue now,so why not have a heat shield there like stock headpipes do?..i dont get that....and for 700 plus dollars?...yikes!....RH is 579 only!

lol

pwrmad
09-11-2008, 11:06 PM
This thread is for all those who have this pipe on there bike. Have any of you all put it on for some miles & then removed? Maybe 1k or so? If you did or are curious if you have the same problem as I am experiencing PM me. The issue in question is clearance on the lower clutch cover.

Hey Bud, throw some pics of your bike in your gallery - we'd all like to get a better look.

44XCR800
09-15-2008, 07:02 PM
mine has been on for 4000plus miles on some of the worst roads.cause i'm in vt where they just don't seem to care.the only problem so far is just alittle flaking on rear pipe and it scapes real easy.but the looks just can't be beat.alot of people comment on how good it looks and it does sound awsome.no other pipe opens up the rear tire like that does.dealer did put it on and is way above the clutck cover.must be i was lucky.

cendres
10-17-2008, 09:26 AM
So this thread has been dormant for a while. Has anyone had a chance to put any real miles on the "new" version of this pipe? Did it solve the problems or am I buying the new Rinehart?

Seven7
10-17-2008, 10:27 AM
So this thread has been dormant for a while. Has anyone had a chance to put any real miles on the "new" version of this pipe? Did it solve the problems or am I buying the new Rinehart?

I just hit 2700 miles. I put the pipe on with around 500 miles on the bike. No flaking. No issues. I wrapped the pipe because I have burned some jeans. Looks kick ass wrapped.
I love the pipe.

ampsdx
10-17-2008, 12:42 PM
I've had the new version on since July. I cut off the spacer close to the oil line and tightened the pipe while pulled away from the cluch case. I haven't had any issues since it was then. No flaking of the coating. They shouldn't have that oil line spacer on the pipe, so cut it off before installing. I did install 12.5 440's and that did drop the bike enough that the Indy scrapes alot more. I'd suggest 13" 440s or Arnotts for this Pipe.

Herr. Monk
10-17-2008, 01:54 PM
This pipe sucks with mid-controls. I've now burnt holes in a half-dozen jeans...

ger
10-19-2008, 08:49 AM
I've had the new version on since July. I cut off the spacer close to the oil line and tightened the pipe while pulled away from the cluch case. I haven't had any issues since it was then. No flaking of the coating. They shouldn't have that oil line spacer on the pipe, so cut it off before installing. I did install 12.5 440's and that did drop the bike enough that the Indy scrapes alot more. I'd suggest 13" 440s or Arnotts for this Pipe.


I agree , I pulled the pipe out from the clutch case and tightened it , it has stayed , I scrape very little but I did put the 13" progressives on , I wrapped mine but it was already flaked anyway .

Still thinks it looks bad ass and sounds great . I have about 4000kms on it .

cendres
10-20-2008, 07:17 AM
Thanks all.

Spanky7
10-20-2008, 11:04 AM
this information was given with the pipe I was looking at:

A new development from the Race Shop - "The Competition Series Exhaust"

A replica of the Destroyer Indy Series Exhaust, this new system is designed specifically for all V-Rod Models including 2008 models and the Night Rod Special.

SPECIFIC CHANGES INCLUDE:

Redesigned heat shield for both front and rear controls.
Front headpipe stand-off to eliminate contact with the oil line.
O2 bungs relocated to allow stock O2 sensors on 2008 models.
Available in Brushed Stainless Steel or Black Ceramic Power Coated Stainless Steel.

Increased ground clearance on V-Rod models.
Stepped head pipes and full merge collector for maximum performance.
Slip fit collector joints with four "dual swivel end retention springs".
Tuned length megaphone.
O2 sensor bungs in both head pipes.
Weighs only 7.5 pounds.
Baffle included.
Fuel maps for many combinations

thoughts?

ampsdx
10-20-2008, 05:40 PM
this information was given with the pipe I was looking at:

SPECIFIC CHANGES INCLUDE:

Redesigned heat shield for both front and rear controls.
Front headpipe stand-off to eliminate contact with the oil line.
O2 bungs relocated to allow stock O2 sensors on 2008 models.
Available in Brushed Stainless Steel or Black Ceramic Power Coated Stainless Steel.

Increased ground clearance on V-Rod models.
Stepped head pipes and full merge collector for maximum performance.
Slip fit collector joints with four "dual swivel end retention springs".
Tuned length megaphone.
O2 sensor bungs in both head pipes.
Weighs only 7.5 pounds.
Baffle included.
Fuel maps for many combinations [/B][/SIZE]

thoughts?

My thoughts:
The heat shields don't do much good.
The front head pipe stand-off needs to be removed.(it still gets hot enough to melt the oil line)
O2 bungs are quiet visible but work well.
I think they have solved the ceramic coating issue.
Ground clearance is an issue, especially if you lower the bike. These and the CFR seem to be the lowest.
The springs need to be ceramic coated if included with the black pipes.
It will save you a little over 30 pounds off your bike's total weight.
It sounds and looks great.

There are a lot of great pipes out there, and these pipes have had their issues. But, I believe the kinks have been mostly worked out and all pipes seem to require some "finessing" to fit correctly.
Drew

Spanky7
10-21-2008, 09:49 PM
My thoughts:
The heat shields don't do much good.
The front head pipe stand-off needs to be removed.(it still gets hot enough to melt the oil line)
O2 bungs are quiet visible but work well.
I think they have solved the ceramic coating issue.
Ground clearance is an issue, especially if you lower the bike. These and the CFR seem to be the lowest.
The springs need to be ceramic coated if included with the black pipes.
It will save you a little over 30 pounds off your bike's total weight.
It sounds and looks great.

There are a lot of great pipes out there, and these pipes have had their issues. But, I believe the kinks have been mostly worked out and all pipes seem to require some "finessing" to fit correctly.
Drew


So would you buy the pipe again, or would anyone who's bought the pipe buy it again?

ger
10-21-2008, 10:32 PM
I would

Herr. Monk
10-22-2008, 10:12 AM
So would you buy the pipe again, or would anyone who's bought the pipe buy it again?

No.

Spanky7
10-22-2008, 10:50 AM
anyone have any pictures where the oil line melted? or pictures of the rubbing on the clutch cover?

RacerXS
10-22-2008, 01:23 PM
So would you buy the pipe again, or would anyone who's bought the pipe buy it again?

No Way. Worst aftermarket item I have ever purchased.

nic_a_bod
10-22-2008, 01:49 PM
Yeah, I'd buy it again.

Just don't go slapping it on, take your time and make sure everything has finger width clearance, (oil line, clutch cover)

Consig64
10-22-2008, 01:53 PM
No, I would not buy it again. I love the way it looks and sounds but the quality and functional design (in my opinion) sucks. I am either going to replace it or send it out to be re-coated this winter.

cycorod
10-22-2008, 02:45 PM
consig, if your gunna keep it & coat it, send it to JET-HOT. they had to do mine twice but it's been holding up, they warranty it for 3yrs.

pwrmad
10-22-2008, 05:31 PM
So would you buy the pipe again, or would anyone who's bought the pipe buy it again?

ABSOLUTELY WOULD!! Wait, you are talking about the ThunderHeader, right?

Consig64
10-22-2008, 06:40 PM
consig, if your gunna keep it & coat it, send it to JET-HOT. they had to do mine twice but it's been holding up, they warranty it for 3yrs.

Thanks. That is most likely what I will do. I am planning to do the 300 tire conversion this winter as well so a new pipe is probably not in the cards for a while.

ampsdx
10-22-2008, 10:36 PM
So would you buy the pipe again, or would anyone who's bought the pipe buy it again?

Now that you know what to watch for on the install, I think the weight savings alone warrants a serious look. It has a great sound and a great look. I want to stick with a full system replacement so on my '08 I'm going to try the black Rinehart.

freddie
10-23-2008, 05:14 AM
i notice you arent using the 02 sensors? is there a reason why youarent. and did you have to do anything else not to have them running with pipe.

cendres
11-05-2008, 11:35 AM
Here's an update for anyone interested. Since I couldn't find a Rinehart, I put an Indy on my 08 DX last week. I've ridden the bike a bit over 500 miles since, and I've had no issues whatsoever. Mine is what I believe to be the third generation of this pipe, PN 75-106-9.

I tie-wrapped the oil line, spaced the rear pipe away from the trans case while tightening the head nuts and heat cycled it twice prior to riding. So far, no burned line, no rubbing and no flaking. I like it.

lobe50
01-25-2009, 02:03 PM
Thanks for the update.
I was looking at this exhaust also, but am not so sure now.

what other full systems are a good choice???

BrianVRSCR
01-25-2009, 03:56 PM
Thanks for the update.
I was looking at this exhaust also, but am not so sure now.

what other full systems are a good choice???

Why are you not sure?? The 3rd gen pipe has pretty much fixed all the problems people had been having. I just put one of these pipes on my bike.:D I didn't have to fix any of the above mention items.

Here's the video of the pipe on my bike:hidesbeh:

lobe50
01-25-2009, 05:32 PM
Thank You. I am glad to hear that they straightened out those issues. I read this thread and said OK not gonna get those anymore.

Does the new version have a mount to the frame, or still just the flange bolts??

Is it too loud or streetable??
Did you get Black? Hows the finish issues?
Any pics?

I was actually tossing around getting stainless and wrapping them for the look.
Sorry for all the ?????'s

BrianVRSCR
01-25-2009, 05:38 PM
Thank You. I am glad to hear that they straightened out those issues. I read this thread and said OK not gonna get those anymore.

Does the new version have a mount to the frame, or still just the flange bolts??

Is it too loud or streetable??
Did you get Black? Hows the finish issues?
Any pics?

I was actually tossing around getting stainless and wrapping them for the look.
Sorry for all the ?????'s

I got the stainless and had it ceramic coated. Pics in video of it running. There is no rear frame mount. No real need to.

cendres
01-25-2009, 05:43 PM
I thought it would be louder than it is at idle and light throttle. At WOT, it makes some noise, but it is still nowhere near as loud as the typical airhead.

If you handle one, you'll realize how light they are and that there is no need to support it at the collector.

smoothrod
01-25-2009, 05:52 PM
I thought it would be louder than it is at idle and light throttle. At WOT, it makes some noise, but it is still nowhere near as loud as the typical airhead.

If you handle one, you'll realize how light they are and that there is no need to support it at the collector.

The one Brian put on his bike has a baffle, the ones with no baffle are very very loud.

o2man98
01-25-2009, 05:52 PM
Why are you not sure?? The 3rd gen pipe has pretty much fixed all the problems people had been having. I just put one of these pipes on my bike.:D I didn't have to fix any of the above mention items.

Here's the video of the pipe on my bike:hidesbeh:

Looks good. Nice air filter. :D

BrianVRSCR
01-25-2009, 05:54 PM
Looks good. Nice air filter. :D

That was just for you ken

lobe50
01-25-2009, 06:06 PM
Arrrghh
i am trying to extract the .zip file but windows is giving me a hard time:banghead:

Is there another way to see your video??
Thanx Again

BrianVRSCR
01-25-2009, 06:18 PM
Arrrghh
i am trying to extract the .zip file but windows is giving me a hard time:banghead:

Is there another way to see your video??
Thanx Again

PM me your email address

md_landrum
01-26-2009, 09:30 PM
have these on my 08dx. v&h customer service is the best. I got a set of the first generation and put 5k on the pipes in about six months. the power coating started coming off, called v&h and they sent me new pipes, said that there was a problem with the first gen powder coating and that they have fixed it and would send me new generation. I received the pipes, and took off old pipes. Pipes were mounted wrong by my local dealer. I notice the crank case was rubbed in two spots. I called them and told them about it, and am currently working with them to replace them. I mounted the second set of pipes and found that if you install them by the directions from v&h, you won't have rub issues of any kind, and the oil will have clearance if you mount the pipes correctly. You need to check header bolts a few times for the first few weeks and make sure they stay tight. The bolts should be checked regularly with any type or brand of pipes you install.

cycorod
01-26-2009, 09:58 PM
lobe, this is my video @ WOT & IDLE. :D

http://homepage.mac.com/antmissy/iMovieTheater30.html

nic_a_bod
01-27-2009, 02:20 AM
lobe, this is my video @ WOT & IDLE. :D

http://homepage.mac.com/antmissy/iMovieTheater30.html

Nice little wheelie you did there

Seven7
02-01-2009, 03:34 PM
I've combed through the threads but may have missed this one... I can't seem to keep my Indy from backfiring. I have an 08DX PCIII Mapped from PC download. I've gone through one baffle and now the packing is blowing out on my second baffle. 3800 miles. I will say that I was pleasantly pleased with a dyno at 111HP considering all the chugging and popping. Any ideas?

schamberlin5150
02-01-2009, 04:08 PM
lobe, this is my video @ WOT & IDLE. :D

http://homepage.mac.com/antmissy/iMovieTheater30.html

Whats ur trick for wheelies......Always bust into a rollin burny before the front end comes up.

00ttvr6
03-07-2009, 06:58 PM
lol i have the wheelie same issue. Aside from that wtf is up with the oil line route?

cycorod
03-07-2009, 11:03 PM
i'm not a wheelie expert but i do manage to find a way to get the front end up on almost anything i ride. what i do most of the time is pull the clutch in a 3rd or so & release it at the same time i wack the throttle. sum times i start rolling apprx. 10-15mph, i wack the throttle let the suspension dive then on rebound wack it again & usually i can get it up. another way was found by mistake & i shit my draws! :eek::stac::paper:on my 03' i wacked the throttle @ an intersection that had a little hill, bump type of grade to it, this was one of my best wheelies on the v-rod, i rode it out a decent distance looking straight up at the sky & managed to bring it down nice & soft. BALLISTICVROD witnessed this & he thought i was dun. :D

cycorod
03-07-2009, 11:09 PM
"I can't seem to keep my Indy from backfiring"

i have the same problem with my indy outlaw. i have an 08dxa w/k&n/ & sert. harley tech. told me he probably could make it a little better but i will have to give up some thing else in return. he said it was impossible to eliminate it entirely due to it being so short.

ROCKERDAN
03-07-2009, 11:13 PM
"I can't seem to keep my Indy from backfiring"

i have the same problem with my indy outlaw. i have an 08dxa w/k&n/ & sert. harley tech. told me he probably could make it a little better but i will have to give up some thing else in return. he said it was impossible to eliminate it entirely due to it being so short.

pc3 is alot easier to help decel pop...from my experience

Dan

cycorod
03-07-2009, 11:31 PM
some one else told me the same, i forgot who. right now the bike is running pretty solid besides the decel pop & a little burp @ 2800-3200rpm. i've come to not mind the decel pop, well most of the time, of course that could change over time.
i took a look @ my pipe last week & noticed a couple of things: (1) the rear header pipe is missing about 3-4inches of black ceramic near the engine, i might send it back to jet hot but they will probably have it for a month or so, & (2) the front header pipe nub & spring (where hook attatches) is almost gone , scraped off, i might have to get it welded. i take the corners pretty low, i actually might have the cause of this on video. :D

lobe50
03-09-2009, 07:02 PM
CYCOROD.... I finally downloaded QuickTime and watched the vid. Awesome. Now I really can't wait till spring to try the new DX out. My 06 "A" model would rip rollin burnouts bigtime. People would be like Holy Shit is that a Harley..LOL

And one time like you said on a slight incline it grabbed traction and stood right up all the way across the intersection. Guys w/ me were shocked and asked did you mean for it to stand up that high...I was like Suuurreeee :)

Thanx

error10
03-10-2009, 01:15 PM
I bought my pipe in June of `08. I've had none of the coating problems, but I was aware of the oil line melting, so I tied it back and put some pipe wrap between. My only complaint is the pipe scraping on right hand turns. I came up with a solution...

http://www.1130cc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117707

nic_a_bod
03-10-2009, 01:43 PM
I bought my pipe in June of `08. I've had none of the coating problems, but I was aware of the oil line melting, so I tied it back and put some pipe wrap between. My only complaint is the pipe scraping on right hand turns. I came up with a solution...

http://www.1130cc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117707

If a person wants to carve corners this pipe is for sure not for them. Make sure you replace that screw that holds the baffle in once in a while as the head will wear off and your baffle will be laying in the road. Don't ask me how I know.

error10
03-10-2009, 01:56 PM
If a person wants to carve corners this pipe is for sure not for them. Make sure you replace that screw that holds the baffle in once in a while as the head will wear off and your baffle will be laying in the road. Don't ask me how I know.

Maybe I should bust out the tig welder and tac it in a couple of spots?

fleshwound
03-10-2009, 02:19 PM
I bought my pipe in June of `08. I've had none of the coating problems, but I was aware of the oil line melting, so I tied it back and put some pipe wrap between. My only complaint is the pipe scraping on right hand turns. I came up with a solution...

http://www.1130cc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117707

i just put this pipe on , i havent had the grind problem ....yet. but if i do i think i'll take the headers to a muffler shop and have them bend the very ends where the go inside the can.i'm talking just a few degrees, giving me just a lil more clearance.

00ttvr6
03-11-2009, 07:43 PM
ive got the destroyer version of this pipe and there is no way I can get the hose far enough away to not touch. I have the top part of the pipe wrapped and the hose sleeved. I may have to get a custom hose made. I know everyone says its the pipes fault and i agree to some extent, but man, why would hd use that route for oil lines....just stupid!

BrianVRSCR
03-11-2009, 07:49 PM
ive got the destroyer version of this pipe and there is no way I can get the hose far enough away to not touch. I have the top part of the pipe wrapped and the hose sleeved. I may have to get a custom hose made. I know everyone says its the pipes fault and i agree to some extent, but man, why would hd use that route for oil lines....just stupid!

Why not zip tie it and pull it away. You realize on the VRXSE that there is no oil cooler so the lines may route differently. So if the pipe was designed for a bike with oil lines in a different position then if you have them going differently then you would naturally have an issue. H-D made the bike with thier pipe. No the V&H one so wouldn't it be V&H fault when they designed the pipe?? I am just saying. I have the outlaw pipe on my bike now. I really like it, but it is a hot SOB.

00ttvr6
03-11-2009, 08:09 PM
I didnt know the vrxse didnt have a cooler. I will try to ziptie it tomorrow. Im just afraid of having to ziptie it so tight that it chafes or chokes the flow.

nic_a_bod
03-11-2009, 09:27 PM
I didnt know the vrxse didnt have a cooler. I will try to ziptie it tomorrow. Im just afraid of having to ziptie it so tight that it chafes or chokes the flow.

Dude the line isn't like a garden hose that you can easily pinch shut. I really doubt that you could zip tie it that tight to pinch it. My 02 line isn't that flimsy anyways. Do like mike says in the other thread, remove that shield you put on it so it gives a little more. You just need to make sure that its not touching the pipe. The only reason these oil lines get a hole burnt in them is because they are touching the pipe.

md_landrum
03-12-2009, 04:09 PM
got my indy pipes back today, and after a few exchanges through vance and hines. They told me to do a few things to ensure the proper wear and performance of the pip.

1. As far as it goes for installin it. Tighten it up away from all the casing and snug it down good.
2. Heat cycling is important so that your powered coating cures to the pipe!!!! Vance and Hines recommends doing this 3 to 4 times.
3. After you heat cycle it, chech the header bolts and snug them down again. Check these bolts after the first 30 miles on the pipe, then after another 70, and finally after you put on an aditional 100 miles. Check them again and they still should be snug. If you do this, the pipes shouldn't rub if they were installed properly.
4. Get rid of the alluminum O2 sensor plugs!!!! "They were only designed to go 1/4 mile at a time!" Install some stainless steel plugs wthat have a brass washer, and secure them in place with red locktight, but don't over tighten these, for the threads in the O2 bungs are presses in and not threaded into the actual pipe.
5. They didn't say this, but Zip tie the oil line back. If you do this, you shouldn't have any problems!

I hope this information helped. Only time and a few hundred miles and I will know. ML

iraw
03-15-2009, 04:45 AM
Hey guys, can someone tell me what i'm doing wrong here, i just install V/H 2 to 1 pipe on a DX, BUT THE FRONT PIPE IS TOUGHING THE METAL BELOW BY THE BRAKE PEG.

don't know the name of the part, it's right below the brake peg, that is where the brake line is going thru.

THANKS KINDLY

BrianVRSCR
03-15-2009, 07:34 AM
Hey guys, can someone tell me what i'm doing wrong here, i just install V/H 2 to 1 pipe on a DX, BUT THE FRONT PIPE IS TOUGHING THE METAL BELOW BY THE BRAKE PEG.

don't know the name of the part, it's right below the brake peg, that is where the brake line is going thru.

THANKS KINDLY

pics?

md_landrum
03-15-2009, 01:07 PM
hey anyone know the difference between the competition series and the outlaw series of pipes?

BrianVRSCR
03-15-2009, 01:23 PM
hey anyone know the difference between the competition series and the outlaw series of pipes?

I thought they were both the same, but I may be wrong. On the V&H site they only offer the competition series pipe and the competition Destoryer pipe ???

iraw
03-15-2009, 01:24 PM
I will get pic's later today.

thanks

nic_a_bod
03-15-2009, 05:00 PM
They are the same, it was just the 2nd of 3 names changes for the pipe

latanea
03-15-2009, 06:44 PM
still looking for the best deal on a 3rd gen indy pipe...


anyone know who is the cheapest?

BrianVRSCR
03-15-2009, 06:47 PM
ok here a sound clip of my indy with the baffle in. I am going to do one with the baffle out too:hidesbeh::D


<embed width="448" height="361" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" src="http://i213.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/MOV02238.flv">

<a href="http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/?action=view&current=MOV02238.flv" target="_blank"><img src="http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/th_MOV02238.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" style="width: 160px;"></a>

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/th_MOV02238.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/?action=view&current=MOV02238.flv)

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/th_MOV02238.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/?action=view&current=MOV02238.flv)

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/th_MOV02238.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/?action=view&current=MOV02238.flv)

hopefully one of the links works

BrianVRSCR
03-19-2009, 06:31 PM
Ok, here are pics and video of my indy pipe with no baffle

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/th_MOV02243.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/?action=view&current=MOV02243.flv)

<embed width="448" height="361" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" src="http://i213.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/MOV02243.flv">

<embed width="448" height="361" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" src="http://i213.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/MOV02242.flv">

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/th_MOV02242.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/bremo76/indy%20pipe/?action=view&current=MOV02242.flv)

cendres
03-19-2009, 06:42 PM
Well, that sounds fairly fantastic. But . . . Don't the megaphones self-destruct without the baffle supporting them?

BrianVRSCR
03-19-2009, 07:36 PM
Well, that sounds fairly fantastic. But . . . Don't the megaphones self-destruct without the baffle supporting them?

Who said that?

o2man98
03-19-2009, 07:47 PM
I love it Brian. Sounds mean. Those 500's thump.

eldiablo
03-19-2009, 08:02 PM
Brian,

1) when did you go black?
2) nice crocs
3) that thing sounds pissed with no baffle

teflon_don
03-19-2009, 08:09 PM
I ordered one yesterday......

md_landrum
03-19-2009, 10:11 PM
somewhere on here i read the cones split in half if you run with out the baffle. there isn't enough difference without the baffle for me to take the chance. It does sound good though. Good luck

latanea
03-19-2009, 11:35 PM
I ordered one yesterday......



where from?

I am still looking for best price etc etc

BrianVRSCR
03-20-2009, 05:01 AM
somewhere on here i read the cones split in half if you run with out the baffle. there isn't enough difference without the baffle for me to take the chance. It does sound good though. Good luck

I have never heard that what so ever, and there are plenty of pipes that come with no baffle. I have followed the details on these pipes for along time and never heard or seen that. These pipes weigh nothing(no rear exhasut bracket/mount). But anyway, I put the baffle back in last night. I had to take it out to get it ceramic coated. so, I figured I would do some videos with and without.

Brian,

1) when did you go black?
2) nice crocs
3) that thing sounds pissed with no baffle

Jason
1.Yesterday I just got it back after having it black ceramic coated.
2. Thanks, those are my garage shoes. They are damn comfortable
3.:D

cendres
03-20-2009, 07:47 AM
somewhere on here i read the cones split in half if you run with out the baffle. there isn't enough difference without the baffle for me to take the chance. It does sound good though. Good luck

Yep, what he said. My recollection is that when that customer called V&H, he was told the collector is dependent on the baffle to help damp vibrations. Without the baffle, they crack. Lame, but such is life with a pipe designed to be very lightweight.

Your engine has a nice lope at idle.

BrianVRSCR
03-20-2009, 08:09 AM
Yep, what he said. My recollection is that when that customer called V&H, he was told the collector is dependent on the baffle to help damp vibrations. Without the baffle, they crack. Lame, but such is life with a pipe designed to be very lightweight.

Your engine has a nice lope at idle.

Ok, I am asking someone to please show me this on here. I am from MO so you have to show me.:D I did put the baffle back in my pipe for the record.

The lope is due to the Mike Jones .500/.460 cams:twisted:

Vrod-Mike
03-20-2009, 08:17 AM
I remember a thread where someone posted a pic of the cone split in half as well. I don't remember if it had anything to do with the baffle or not.

Vrod-Mike
03-20-2009, 08:18 AM
I found the thread:

http://www.1130cc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105463&highlight=indy+pipe+split

ROCKERDAN
03-20-2009, 09:04 AM
couldnt you cut the baffle OFF from the insert where it bolts to the cone?....then you can still have the insert bolted on to cone for added strength?

Dan

cendres
03-20-2009, 10:08 AM
couldnt you cut the baffle OFF from the insert where it bolts to the cone?....then you can still have the insert bolted on to cone for added strength?

Dan

Seems like it would work just fine. That's how I'd do it.

KevinEleven
03-20-2009, 06:17 PM
So I am the owner of a V&H Indy Outlaw Pipe on my VRSCDX.

The pipe sounds outstanding. That has never been a point of debate.

Putting the pipe *ON* was pretty tough. I managed to get one header in, which was WAAAAYYYY too tight... Then the other (which slipped in and out like it was three sizes too small) got a hose clamp, which helps reduce the amount of soot leaking out at the junction between the header and the megaphone.

I saw the Vance & Hines crew at Daytona Bike week this month and as luck would have it, I was there on my bike.

I pull up to the V&H area and I'm greeted, politely by one guy. His name is lost now. I tell him what is ailing me and he appears genuinely concerned. He takes a picture of the exhaust, with the soot (from the leak) and the hose clamp on it. He politely tells me that he would be unable to do anything for me, right on the spot, but can put me into contact with someone who can.

Meanwhile another guy comes over. A bit younger and an entirely different attitude. This guy was either a jerk, or he specifically did not like me. This was within 15 seconds of meeting.

Instead of paying attention to the problem that I was there to discuss, he starts off by asking (with a tone of voice not becoming of a customer service type)

Him: "are you running a fuel manager?"
ME: "yes, a power commander"
Him: "You mean a fuel pack"
ME: "Nope, a PC3 with the Vance & Hines map"
Him: "Then why do you have O2 Sensors mounted on the pipe?" (insert snide expression here)
ME: "Because I thought it looked better than the polished Lug nuts that the pipe came with" -- I show him the PCIII from under my seat. He looks more annoyed.
Him: "Well, you're running lean Ya know"
ME: "Why is that?"
Him: "Look at the way the pipe's finish looks."
ME: "That is a common problem with this pipe. It's all over the internet. Check 1130cc.com for example"
Him: "...Yeah, 1130cc. Look, what you need to do it bump up the fuel in the high revs. Like three whole bars. That will take care of that."

He walked away, like I took a big fat shit right in his wheaties. I swear to you all, I did no such thing. I personally couldn't believe that this dude, from Vance&Hines was suggesting that I alter my fuel mapping without so much as taking a look at it.

The other guy comes back and is still pleasant. He gives me the name, phone number and email address of tomf@vhmotorsports.com

Tom Feury is the guy I speak with upon coming back to NY from Daytona. He is also pretty cool. I politely, and void of many details tell him about my poor interaction with the rep at Daytona.

Tom is cool and everything. He has a solution for my problem with the exhaust pipe. The solution is :

1.) Remove the exhaust pipe
2.) Ship it to vance & hines
3.) Tom will fix it
4.) It will be shipped back to my house
5.) I will reattach the pipe to my bike.

I thought about it, but... Man, I have ridden many days since then. I would probably have missed all of them if I did that. In fact, I'd probably still be off line with my bike - *SO*

I issued the following email to Tom:

Hi Tom,

As a refresh, we had spoken about my V&H Indy Outlaw exhaust system and the exhaust leak that I have had from a manufacturing flaw. You had offered to address this particularly, if I were to remove the exhaust system and mail it to you at Vance & Hines, to be repaired.

I have decided to pass on your offer, for a couple of reasons. Primarily, because I will be unable to operate my motorcycle without an exhaust system in place. Secondarily (and much less important) because I would need to pay the cost of shipping and packaging to and from.

I'm a passionate rider and a single sunny day without my bike is one too many. The season is here. I will make due.

Thanks though,

Kevin ****


I think that V&H really missed the boat on fixing a bad situation for a customer. They could have sent me a new exhaust - they could have even charged me for it over the phone and then refunded me when they got the old one -- But Nope --

I ride on.

fleshwound
03-20-2009, 06:40 PM
wow i think you are a better man than i....i think i would have been soo put off i prob would have made a scene. kudos to you bro. im not sure where they went wrong with this pipe. maybe not informing the public of the intent of this pipe, maybe releasing too soon, crappy coater. im not sure i just know i paid attn to my instructions and i love it so far but i havent ridden much with it yet. if the coating goes bad i will prob just coat it myself. or just wrap it i like that look anyway.

KevinEleven
03-20-2009, 06:44 PM
wow i think you are a better man than i....i think i would have been soo put off i prob would have made a scene. kudos to you bro. im not sure where they went wrong with this pipe. maybe not informing the public of the intent of this pipe, maybe releasing too soon, crappy coater. im not sure i just know i paid attn to my instructions and i love it so far but i havent ridden much with it yet. if the coating goes bad i will prob just coat it myself. or just wrap it i like that look anyway.

You mean choke that dude? Yeah, he sucked, but I figured I might get somewhere if I played it cool....

I am considering having the pipe coated or hitting it with high temp paint. The exhaust leak would be easier to deal with if it were wrapped too... you might have a good idea there.

fleshwound
03-20-2009, 06:49 PM
kevin maybe try some hi tmp rtv sealant on the inside so when you slide the pipe in ..it will seal without the ugly mess. maybe get rid of the unsightly clamp.

KevinEleven
03-20-2009, 07:00 PM
kevin maybe try some hi tmp rtv sealant on the inside so when you slide the pipe in ..it will seal without the ugly mess. maybe get rid of the unsightly clamp.

I did try that... oddly enough the shit I bought never seemed to congeal at all. Then, many hours later I fired up the bike and the pipe oozed the black RTV goop out.

My idea that I will try, is to see if my girlfriend's father has an exhaust pipe stretcher. I should have f**in thought of that forever ago.

He owns a trucking company and has a mechanic on staff -- Who rides to work on a HOG...

fleshwound
03-20-2009, 07:07 PM
good luck...keep us posted

Louis
03-20-2009, 07:11 PM
I would buy a cheap pipe second hand. Fit it. Get the V&H fixed, switch back again, sell the second hand pipe.

latanea
03-21-2009, 07:12 AM
I know every one of the guys at the VnH race shop personally -

I can tell you that their reps are all good guys - but the attitude comes from the ongoing battle with marketing..

this pipe is for RACE USE ... and the main criteria for race use is weight - and aero-footprint.

(period)

the fit and finish may not be up to the level of one of their STREET pipes...

that is just how it is.

like if you have a 09' mustang GT and you buy the Steeda cross bar suspenision kit (7800$) and then complain that it rides like shit..


well yeah - it is a hard core race suspension - NOT FOR STREET.

dunno

you had a bad experience with that guy - but "cool dudes" at trade shows and at dealers are all the same...

I used to stare down assholes at the race track that were walking thru the pits shaking hands and handing out free hats and t shirts from their company du jour - (all while wearing a fake "pit crew" uniform)...

it is what it is.

BrianVRSCR
03-21-2009, 07:19 AM
I know every one of the guys at the VnH race shop personally -

I can tell you that their reps are all good guys - but the attitude comes from the ongoing battle with marketing..

this pipe is for RACE USE ... and the main criteria for race use is weight - and aero-footprint.

(period)

the fit and finish may not be up to the level of one of their STREET pipes...

that is just how it is.

like if you have a 09' mustang GT and you buy the Steeda cross bar suspenision kit (7800$) and then complain that it rides like shit..


well yeah - it is a hard core race suspension - NOT FOR STREET.

dunno

you had a bad experience with that guy - but "cool dudes" at trade shows and at dealers are all the same...

I used to stare down assholes at the race track that were walking thru the pits shaking hands and handing out free hats and t shirts from their company du jour - (all while wearing a fake "pit crew" uniform)...

it is what it is.

No it is not what it is. If these guys(I don't know them personally) are going to trade shows then they are representing V&H and the CANNOT BE DICKS. That gives people a bad feeling for the company or their customer service. Not to mention that there products have had a bad rap(sprintex, Indy pipe, race shop(for putting pistons in backwards, etc). So, if you are in customer service or a rep for a company they have to grin and bear it. In customer service the customer is always right and that is it. If not don't plan on keeping your doors open too long. And that has nothing to do with marketing. It says "race use only" for the whole EPA thing and liability etc.

Louis
03-21-2009, 07:25 AM
No it is not what it is. If these guys(I don't know them personally) are going to trade shows then they are representing V&H and the CANNOT BE DICKS. That gives people a bad feeling for the company or their customer service. Not to mention that there products have had a bad rap(sprintex, Indy pipe, race shop(for putting pistons in backwards, etc). So, if you are in customer service or a rep for a company they have to grin and bear it. In customer service the customer is always right and that is it. If not don't plan on keeping your doors open too long. And that has nothing to do with marketing. It says "race use only" for the whole EPA thing and liability etc.
I think the point is that this REALLY IS a race pipe. Yet for some reason they are failing to get that over.